Public support for new Brexit referendum revealed

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Yeah the EU will be fleecing member states for more cash in return for sweet FA. Well not exactly nothing, the parliamentarians get wonderful careers and lifestyles in exchange for restricting what member states can do. 

 

I was never opposed to the common market. It was a good idea. The E.U. is a different animal. They overreached and will pay the price. 

Enlargement could require significant EU budget reforms. Seven out of eight candidate countries have a GDP per capita below that of Bulgaria, the poorest EU country, meaning the distribution of funds could leave some current member states with a smaller slice of the EU pie following enlargement.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/08/28/eu-must-be-ready-to-accept-new-members-by-2030-charles-michel

[JonnyF]

Just now, vinny41 said:

Also from the same article

Thirty of the 36 were allowed for use in the EU when the UK left on 31 January 2020 but have since been banned by the bloc, and the remaining six have been approved by the UK government but not the EU since then.

Exactly. The EU only ban things so member states think they are getting something in return for the billions they pour in.

 

”Pay us to protect you or something bad will happen”. Straight from the mafia handbook.

 

Ban, restrict, regulate. It’s all they can do. Useless. Best thing we ever did was leaving. The Remainer tears are the cherry on the cake. 

[roo860]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Voters back home might have been impressed if Sunak come back from India with a trade deal, after all that’s why he went to India.

 

In a slap to Global Britain ‘s hopes India’s PM Modi cancelled his scheduled meeting with Sunak and met instead with Biden. 
 

It seems ‘Global Britain’s’ influence is waining.

 

Sunak came home empty handed, worse still the UK isn’t in on the India, Middle East, EU and US Economic Corridor announced at the G20 meeting.

 

Nevermind, post Brexit Britain is now being allowed to use carcinogenic pesticides in food production.

 

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/09/09/fact-sheet-world-leaders-launch-a-landmark-india-middle-east-europe-economic-corridor/

Slow Joe Biden probably thought he was in an Indian restaurant back home.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Also from the same article

Thirty of the 36 were allowed for use in the EU when the UK left on 31 January 2020 but have since been banned by the bloc, and the remaining six have been approved by the UK government but not the EU since then.

So allowed in the UK but not within the EU.

 

A Brexit freedom to use poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals in UK food production.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Exactly. The EU only ban things so member states think they are getting something in return for the billions they pour in.

 

”Pay us to protect you or something bad will happen”. Straight from the mafia handbook.

 

Ban, restrict, regulate. It’s all they can do. Useless. Best thing we ever did was leaving. The Remainer tears are the cherry on the cake. 

Don’t worry Johnny, the UK Government say you can have poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals  in UK food production, the EU don’t have any means of preventing it.

 

Lap it up lad.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, roo860 said:

Slow Joe Biden probably thought he was in an Indian restaurant back home.

And you thought you were in a Biden thread.

 

 

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So allowed in the UK but not within the EU.

 

A Brexit freedom to use poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals in UK food production.

 

 

Mar 28, 2023

A new opinion from the EU food safety agency (EFSA) has found 10 nitrosamine substances, found in many processed foods, to be carcinogenic, concluding current exposure levels are a ‘health concern’ for all ages.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/eu-food-agency-sounds-alarm-over-cancer-causing-food-substances/

 

We have created a database(link is external) on the 50 most hazardous substances approved in the EU. The file includes detailed information on their toxicity to humans and the environment, and the level of exposure of consumers. In March 2023 the EU decided to ban 2 of them from 2024 onwards, and in May 2023 another ban was decided. So there are now 50 to go. This is good news, but the progress is too slow and the substitution rules are still ignored by Member States.

https://www.pan-europe.info/campaigns/ban-toxic-12

 

So its looks like one of the EU freedoms is to allow

freedom to use poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals in EU food production.

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4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Mar 28, 2023

A new opinion from the EU food safety agency (EFSA) has found 10 nitrosamine substances, found in many processed foods, to be carcinogenic, concluding current exposure levels are a ‘health concern’ for all ages.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/eu-food-agency-sounds-alarm-over-cancer-causing-food-substances/

 

We have created a database(link is external) on the 50 most hazardous substances approved in the EU. The file includes detailed information on their toxicity to humans and the environment, and the level of exposure of consumers. In March 2023 the EU decided to ban 2 of them from 2024 onwards, and in May 2023 another ban was decided. So there are now 50 to go. This is good news, but the progress is too slow and the substitution rules are still ignored by Member States.

https://www.pan-europe.info/campaigns/ban-toxic-12

 

So its looks like one of the EU freedoms is to allow

freedom to use poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals in EU food production.

How does the UK compare to this?

[RayC]

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Yeah the EU will be fleecing member states for more cash in return for sweet FA.

Some examples of Sweet FA are shown in the attached article. It's from 2016 and some of the predictions made about Brexit were undeniably overly pessimistic, however, what is interesting is how many have proved correct.

 

https://theconversation.com/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-us-57248

 

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Well not exactly nothing, the parliamentarians get wonderful careers and lifestyles in exchange for restricting what member states can do. 

Replace 'member states' with 'the public' and it's a complaint probably heard in every country.

 

In any event, what restrictive laws has the UK abandoned since we left the EU? What tangible benefits have they given to the UK public?

 

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

I was never opposed to the common market. It was a good idea. The E.U. is a different animal. They overreached and will pay the price. 

The common market was an inferior version of the current EU single market. A good example of the difference is illustrated in this thread. Under the common market, you would have very little idea - and a very difficult job in finding out - whether the fruit and veg you brought which originated in, say, Spain was treated with pesticides outlawed in the UK. Under the single market, you would have a lot less to worry about due to common standards (Actually, this was a bad example: I imagine that Spanish agricultural standards are higher than the UK nowadays).

 

I note that you are unable to answer my original question: How will leaving the Single Market and Customs Union improve the German economy?

[Chomper Higgot]

11 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Mar 28, 2023

A new opinion from the EU food safety agency (EFSA) has found 10 nitrosamine substances, found in many processed foods, to be carcinogenic, concluding current exposure levels are a ‘health concern’ for all ages.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/eu-food-agency-sounds-alarm-over-cancer-causing-food-substances/

 

We have created a database(link is external) on the 50 most hazardous substances approved in the EU. The file includes detailed information on their toxicity to humans and the environment, and the level of exposure of consumers. In March 2023 the EU decided to ban 2 of them from 2024 onwards, and in May 2023 another ban was decided. So there are now 50 to go. This is good news, but the progress is too slow and the substitution rules are still ignored by Member States.

https://www.pan-europe.info/campaigns/ban-toxic-12

 

So its looks like one of the EU freedoms is to allow

freedom to use poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals in EU food production.

 It unless you demonstrate that the EU has chosen to use those chemicals while the UK has not.

 

What you done is provided evidence of the EU’s monitoring and reporting of harmful chemicals in food production.

[Sing_Sling]

On 9/13/2023 at 5:25 PM, JonnyF said:

Deregulation.

 

Breaking free from the EU just as promised.

 

No wonder the UK haters are annoyed.

???? Yea, carcinogens and poison in general - they can break free and float all the way to your east coast and anchor there

 

On 9/13/2023 at 5:29 PM, JonnyF said:

Yeah, no biggie… ????

 

Yea, not in the context it was presented, but then you'd have to have read the post correctly.

[Sing_Sling]

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So allowed in the UK but not within the EU.

 

A Brexit freedom to use poisonous and carcinogenic chemicals in UK food production.

 

It's calle Freedumb over his way. 

[youreavinalaff]

5 minutes ago, Sing_Sling said:

???? Yea, carcinogens and poison in general - they can break free and float all the way to your east coast and anchor there

 

Yea, not in the context it was presented, but then you'd have to have read the post correctly.

Do as I say, not as I do, he told everyone.????????????????

[Sing_Sling]

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Do as I say, not as I do, he told everyone

Do try to make sense.  Try.  Hard. 

[youreavinalaff]

15 minutes ago, Sing_Sling said:

Do try to make sense.  Try.  Hard. 

It's a very well known English saying.

 

Credited to John Selden's Table-Talk (c. 1654)

 

You appear to be the only one struggling with it. You need try harder. 

[RayC]

22 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Enlargement could require significant EU budget reforms. Seven out of eight candidate countries have a GDP per capita below that of Bulgaria, the poorest EU country, meaning the distribution of funds could leave some current member states with a smaller slice of the EU pie following enlargement.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/08/28/eu-must-be-ready-to-accept-new-members-by-2030-charles-michel

There's little doubt that EU enlargement - especially eastwards - will present some challenges. However, in her speech yesterday V.d. Leyden pulled back from the 2030 target which Michel has proposed.

[Chomper Higgot]

Another BREXIT win, for the US and EU:

https://www.ft.com/content/729cfcde-26fc-411a-b281-84436cc6e32c

 

[vinny41]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Another BREXIT win, for the US and EU:

https://www.ft.com/content/729cfcde-26fc-411a-b281-84436cc6e32c

 

Speaking to Financial Times, Albert Slot said several factors weighed in on the strategic decision, being the main one the substantial subsidies offered by the Joe Biden Administration to critical minerals and metals companies.

https://www.mining.com/uks-only-rare-earths-producer-eyes-us-eu-markets/

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Speaking to Financial Times, Albert Slot said several factors weighed in on the strategic decision, being the main one the substantial subsidies offered by the Joe Biden Administration to critical minerals and metals companies.

https://www.mining.com/uks-only-rare-earths-producer-eyes-us-eu-markets/

And he also said:

 

“The Brexit executed by the British didn’t really help in LCM’s industry, meaning that we have to have a foothold in Europe.”

 

Biden’s administration attracting strategic industries out of post Brexit Britain isn’t a win for the UK.

 

The US does not need to offer a trade deal, it can simple asset strip a weakened UK.

 

 

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And he also said:

 

“The Brexit executed by the British didn’t really help in LCM’s industry, meaning that we have to have a foothold in Europe.”

 

Biden’s administration attracting strategic industries out of post Brexit isn’t a win for the UK.

 

The US does not need to offer a trade deal, it can simple asset strip a weakened UK.

And in the same article

Another reason LCM is prioritizing expansion outside the UK is the company’s intention to expand its customer base and diversify its revenue streams.

LCM is one of only two companies outside China that can produce rare earth metal and alloys.

https://www.mining.com/uks-only-rare-earths-producer-eyes-us-eu-markets/

There are some companies that will move to which ever country is offering the most free money

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And in the same article

Another reason LCM is prioritizing expansion outside the UK is the company’s intention to expand its customer base and diversify its revenue streams.

LCM is one of only two companies outside China that can produce rare earth metal and alloys.

https://www.mining.com/uks-only-rare-earths-producer-eyes-us-eu-markets/

There are some companies that will move to which ever country is offering the most free money

And by your same arrangement, out of the countries that put up trade barriers tiers to their major trading partners.

 

 

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And by your same arrangement, out of the countries that put up trade barriers tiers to their major trading partners.

 

 

What trade barriers have the UK put up against their major trading partners I am not aware of any

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

What trade barriers have the UK put up against their major trading partners I am not aware of any

Leaving the EU, the customs Union and the single market.

 

Or did you miss that bit?

 

 

 

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Leaving the EU, the customs Union and the single market.

 

Or did you miss that bit?

 

 

 

The UK had an EU referendum in 2016 where everyone was told a vote for leave would mean leaving the EU,  single market and the customs union 

of the 33,577,342 million people that took part in the vote the majority 17,410,742 decided to leave

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The UK had an EU referendum in 2016 where everyone was told a vote for leave would mean leaving the EU,  single market and the customs union 

of the 33,577,342 million people that took part in the vote the majority 17,410,742 decided to leave

Oh so you didn’t miss it.

 

Leave meant erecting trade barriers.

 

Result, damage to British industries and economy.

 

No wonder public opinion is turning against BREXIT.

 

 

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh so you didn’t miss it.

 

Leave meant erecting trade barriers.

 

Result, damage to British industries and economy.

The trade barriers are there because at least 1 party has erected them

If you have apples to sell and I have oranges to sell and we both agree a fair price for both products there should be no issue with exchanging goods

However if one party wants something extra for example prima nocta the right   to sleep with  the other party wife on the first night of her marriage this in my view is an unfair trade 

At the end of the day British industries have to accept the vote of the people or move somewhere else

[transam]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh so you didn’t miss it.

 

Leave meant erecting trade barriers.

 

Result, damage to British industries and economy.

 

No wonder public opinion is turning against BREXIT.

 

 

Nooo, only the EU holiday travellers,

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, vinny41 said:

The trade barriers are there because at least 1 party has erected them

If you have apples to sell and I have oranges to sell and we both agree a fair price for both products there should be no issue with exchanging goods

However if one party wants something extra for example prima nocta the right   to sleep with  the other party wife on the first night of her marriage this in my view is an unfair trade 

At the end of the day British industries have to accept the vote of the people or move somewhere else

If you have apples to sell and you hand in the keys to your apple shop in the largest and closest market, then it is you that placed a barrier in the way of selling your apples.

 

Yes, British industries are moving somewhere else. I posted an example above.

 

A win for the US and EU at cost to the UK economy.

[bignok]

Merge with Pattaya.

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you have apples to sell and you hand in the keys to your apple shop in the largest and closest market, then it is you that placed a barrier in the way of selling your apples.

 

Yes, British industries are moving somewhere else. I posted an example above.

 

A win for the US and EU at cost to the UK economy.

 

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh so you didn’t miss it.

 

Leave meant erecting trade barriers.

 

Result, damage to British industries and economy.

 

No wonder public opinion is turning against BREXIT.

 

 

Yet 73% of leave voters would still vote leave

The results show that one in six Leave voters (18%) now say that they would vote to Remain were the EU referendum being held now. Almost three quarters (73%) say they would still vote to leave the EU.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/07/18/britons-would-vote-rejoin-eu