Trump surrenders for historic fourth arrest

[johnnybangkok]

17 hours ago, TimeMachine said:

Lets say,  just for arguments sake,  there was fraudulent  activity. Currently someone may  find it extremely difficult to prove and it can be hidden as if proof doesnt exist.  Why was there so many cases?  

 

For open source you would need one case. 

 

 

You are looking for a solution to a problem that simply doesn’t exists. Do you not think it hugely coincidental that the only time voter fraud was brought up was when Trump lost? There was no accusations when he won in 2016 and again, sheer coincidence but there is no question of voter fraud in states that Trump won. 
This is so obviously the workings of a bitter man who simply can’t take that he lost in 2020 and even to this day (despite 60 odd court cases proving there was no voter fraud) still claims the election was stolen. 
This is the power this man has over his people; even with irrefutable evidence, they still cannot accept that the most logical answer to all of this is Trump is simply lying. 

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Did any Trump fan on here actually say they support making death threats against election officials? I doubt it as they'd probably have been suspended for it and the post deleted, quite rightly too.

 

IMO your post is just baiting.

He didn't say posters on here, you said that:

 

Election workers have gotten death threats and warnings they will be lynched, the US government says

WASHINGTON (AP) — More than a dozen people nationally have been charged with threatening election workers by a Justice Department unit trying to stem the tide of violent and graphic threats against people who count and secure the vote.

Government employees are being bombarded with threats even in normally quiet periods between elections, secretaries of state and experts warn. 

https://apnews.com/article/election-workers-threats-justice-department-trump-f17df44d63156a28eaa0862b0aa08f0b

[TimeMachine]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

You are looking for a solution to a problem that simply doesn’t exists. Do you not think it hugely coincidental that the only time voter fraud was brought up was when Trump lost? There was no accusations when he won in 2016 and again, sheer coincidence but there is no question of voter fraud in states that Trump won. 
This is so obviously the workings of a bitter man who simply can’t take that he lost in 2020 and even to this day (despite 60 odd court cases proving there was no voter fraud) still claims the election was stolen. 
This is the power this man has over his people; even with irrefutable evidence, they still cannot accept that the most logical answer to all of this is Trump is simply lying. 

I'd have to say fair enough comment. If most of society are happy,  why change it.  Perhaps my idea would be better suited to some other countries. 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Florida comes to mind when saying voting machines are infallible.

I assume you are referring to the hanging chad debacle of the 2000 election.  No one claimed that the inability of some vote counting machines using dated hole punch technology to register and count votes was intentional or biasing the election results one way or the other; they simply complicated the recount.  The problem was fixed long ago.

[ozimoron]

19 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You are just wanting to stop all the poor/unintelligent people voting , the ones who do not have means to access a computer or don't have the ability to use a computer and so wont be able to vote .

   

Exceedingly few. And they could go to a voting center just like the republicans want to or they could continue to use mail in voting. I did not suggest I was in favor of removing mail in voting, I only made the point that should appeal to the republicans to want to stop it. It should also appeal to Trump because there would be a declarable outcome instantly.

[rudi49jr]

Proud Boys Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola jailed for US Capitol riot.
Nordean got 18 years, Pezzola 10 years. Nordean showed great remorse, Pezzola not so much:

“Once the prison term had been handed down and the judge had left the room, Pezzola raised a fist and shouted: "Trump won!"

Some of these people obviously just can’t help themselves, they’re trapped in the lie and too far down the rabbit hole to get back out.

 

I think these sentences probably have Trump a little worried, to say the least.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66689547

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by rudi49jr

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Proud Boys Ethan Nordean and Dominic Pezzola jailed for US Capitol riot.
Nordean got 18 years, Pezzola 10 years. Nordean showed great remorse, Pezzola not so much:

“Once the prison term had been handed down and the judge had left the room, Pezzola raised a fist and shouted: "Trump won!"

Some of these people obviously just can’t help themselves, they’re trapped in the lie and too far down the rabbit hole to get back out.

 

I think these sentences probably have Trump a little worried, to say the least.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66689547

 

Who thinks that  these people collectively have gone down for more than a century between them, all in Trump's name and some claiming they were acting under orders but Trump will get away with it?

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

WRONG. I don't have an opinion on whether the election was stolen or not, as the facts have been hidden under a mountain of BS, IMO.

All I can say is that I would not be surprised if it actually had been.

60+ cases have been brought before 60+ judges (some of them appointed by Trump himself), not one of them delivered a shred of evidence of fraud. Several hand counts in several states, no evidence of fraud.
Yet Republicans (and you) keep whining about it, or insinuating that the election could be stolen. And you call liberals snowflakes….

[liddelljohn]

Trump supporters  only show how poorly educated many Americans are and how limited their  intelligence and knowledge of the world is ,, add in all the maniac  religious groups and its  a big worry  for the future of the west , democracy and  freedom

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, liddelljohn said:

Trump supporters  only show how poorly educated many Americans are and how limited their  intelligence and knowledge of the world is ,, add in all the maniac  religious groups and its  a big worry  for the future of the west , democracy and  freedom

How would you describe Biden supporters ?

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

How would you describe Biden supporters ?

Not in a cult.

[Nick Carter icp]

33 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not in a cult.

The divide between the support of Trump and Biden is quite similar , not much of a difference between them  .

   Why are Trump supporters part of a cult and Bidens supporters are not ?

   

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The divide between the support of Trump and Biden is quite similar , not much of a difference between them  .

   Why are Trump supporters part of a cult and Bidens supporters are not ?

   

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

 

You are a Biden supporter with a higher intelligence and you use Youtube videos of one person to express your opinion ?

[Tug]

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The divide between the support of Trump and Biden is quite similar , not much of a difference between them  .

   Why are Trump supporters part of a cult and Bidens supporters are not ?

   

I’m dumbfounded any one could make such a statement not much of a difference???really???

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The divide between the support of Trump and Biden is quite similar , not much of a difference between them  .

   Why are Trump supporters part of a cult and Bidens supporters are not ?

   

I have no expectation you will understand the difference even if this means anything to you

Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant (outside the norms of society).

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The divide between the support of Trump and Biden is quite similar , not much of a difference between them  .

   Why are Trump supporters part of a cult and Bidens supporters are not ?

   

Wow, you could not be further from the truth. But regarding the cult, some have managed to break away but its cost them dearly.

 

"Pamela Hemphill pled guilty to demonstrating in a Capitol building. In May 2022, she was sentenced to 60 days in jail and 36 months' probation. In 2023, Trump publicly claimed her sentence was harsh. In response, she tweeted: "I pleaded guilty because I was guilty!" She told reporters: "It's a struggle trying to get away from gaslighting, Trump's narcissism and all the tactics they use... It was scary to leave the cult."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jan-6-rioter-maga-granny-donald-trump_n_649abf45e4b0ccfd6dbeb625

 

[Danderman123]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Florida comes to mind when saying voting machines are infallible.

That was 23 years ago.

[Danderman123]

On 9/1/2023 at 6:50 PM, TimeMachine said:

Lets say,  just for arguments sake,  there was fraudulent  activity. Currently someone may  find it extremely difficult to prove and it can be hidden as if proof doesnt exist.  Why was there so many cases?  

 

For open source you would need one case. 

 

 

It would be very easy to prove mass  voter fraud. You just don't understand how elections work.

[newnative]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The divide between the support of Trump and Biden is quite similar , not much of a difference between them  .

   Why are Trump supporters part of a cult and Bidens supporters are not ?

   

   Well, it's pretty darn simple.  When you are in a cult you lose the ability to distinguish fact from fiction.  That's what it all boils down to, in the end.  Given massive, factual, proven left, right and sideways information, facts, Trump cultists are unable to see a fact as a fact.  Instead, they will believe the Big Lie, and all the other many lies spouted by their cult leader, Trump, because they have lost this ability.  They are fond of posting first with a false statement, followed by a brain-no-longer-processing question, as the above poster has, because that's all they have left; they've lost the ability to determine fact from fiction.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

How would you describe Biden supporters ?

I would describe them as Democrats.  Will Rogers described Democrats very well long ago:  “I belong to no organized party; I am a Democrat,”

 

That description still holds.  However every Democrat I know will vote for Biden over Trump regardless of how much they wish they had another option.  Biden has done some good things but he's unlikely to go down in history as a great President, unless it is for beating Trump twice. 

 

Trump isn't just bad, he's a threat to democracy in this country.  He wants to hijack the US government the way Putin hijacked the Russian government, and by using many of the same tactics.

[TimeMachine]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

It would be very easy to prove mass  voter fraud. You just don't understand how elections work.

And so dont another many millions.  Lets make them understand and let them have piece of mind. Open checking of votes is the only way in this world now.  Too many people.  Too many different views.  Too much anger. 

[ozimoron]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You are a Biden supporter with a higher intelligence and you use Youtube videos of one person to express your opinion ?

Did you want the Don Jr segment?

[rudi49jr]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You are a Biden supporter with a higher intelligence and you use Youtube videos of one person to express your opinion ?

Just go on youtube and you can find literally thousands of videos with thousands of people just like this one.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wow, you could not be further from the truth. But regarding the cult, some have managed to break away but its cost them dearly.

In the last elections  , Biden got 81 million votes and Trump got 74 million votes and that is indeed quite a similar amount of voters .

   A "cult" literally means a small group of people  . A difference between 81 million people and 74 million people isn't a big divide in support .

   On what grounds are you calling Trump supporters a "cult" ?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

In the last elections  , Biden got 81 million votes and Trump got 74 million votes and that is indeed quite a similar amount of voters .

   A "cult" literally means a small group of people  . A difference between 81 million people and 74 million people isn't a big divide in support .

   On what grounds are you calling Trump supporters a "cult" ?

Because of the personality cultism of personality politics. Dems have no such emotional obsequious attachment to Biden. Republicans have nobody else.

[Bkk Brian]

22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

In the last elections  , Biden got 81 million votes and Trump got 74 million votes and that is indeed quite a similar amount of voters .

   A "cult" literally means a small group of people  . A difference between 81 million people and 74 million people isn't a big divide in support .

   On what grounds are you calling Trump supporters a "cult" ?

At what point have I ever said that all those who voted for him in 2020 were in a cult?

 

On what grounds could some be? here's just one where some are certainly in that.

 

MAGA slammed as a ‘cult’ as poll reveals followers believe Trump over family and friends

 

"Donald Trump: 'I Could ... Shoot Somebody, And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters'"

Edited September 3, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Because of the personality cultism of personality politics. Dems have no such emotional obsequious attachment to Biden. Republicans have nobody else.

I see. So Dems have no such emotional obsequious attachment to Biden because he has no personality.

[rudi49jr]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I see. So Dems have no such emotional obsequious attachment to Biden because he has no personality.

That’s all you got? Biden has no personality? Pretty lame, dude. 

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

In the last elections  , Biden got 81 million votes and Trump got 74 million votes and that is indeed quite a similar amount of voters .

   A "cult" literally means a small group of people  . A difference between 81 million people and 74 million people isn't a big divide in support .

   On what grounds are you calling Trump supporters a "cult" ?

That's actually a massive margin in favor of Biden.

A cult does NOT literally mean a small group of people. 

In politics throughout history there have been demagogues such as Trump that gain power by having a cult of personality following. Trump is in that dark tradition.

Not everyone that voted for Trump is in the Maga cult.

An acid test now is if a Maga person thinks Trump is above the law and that he won in 2020.

Your points really add up to NOTHING. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Jingthing