Trump calls for store robbers to be shot in speech to California Republicans

[JonnyF]

Sounds fair to me.

 

Just a couple of rules. Rubber bullets, and you can't shoot at the head. Apart from that, carry on...

[heybruce]

Perhaps Trump has turned against white people.  They make up 77.5% of shoplifters in the US, well above their percentage of the overall population.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4104590/

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Perhaps Trump has turned against white people.  They make up 77.5% of shoplifters in the US, well above their percentage of the overall population.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4104590/

In what way is the organized mass looting and destruction happening in American cities in any way comparable to shoplifting?

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

In what way is the organized mass looting and destruction happening in American cities in any way comparable to shoplifting?

Read the topic OP.  It's about stores being robbed, which is almost entirely done by shoplifters.

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Perhaps Trump has turned against white people.  They make up 77.5% of shoplifters in the US, well above their percentage of the overall population.  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4104590/

Why are you trying to turn this into a race issue? 

[2baht]

On 10/1/2023 at 10:37 AM, Tug said:

are his supporters lucid? 

????Just have a look and a listen to them! Git er dun! ????

[Hanaguma]

15 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Read the topic OP.  It's about stores being robbed, which is almost entirely done by shoplifters.

Actually, the Donald was talking about, and I quote, "pillaging and theft".  It is obvious that he meant the mass robberies and destruction plaguing California cities. The kind that is making major retailers leave in droves. Simple shoplifting has been around since God's dog was a puppy.  And was not the point he was making. The kind of organized orgies of looting that occur are a new development, brought on in large part by law enforcement not being able to pursue and/or arrest the perpetrators. 

[heybruce]

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Why are you trying to turn this into a race issue? 

I'm not, I'm turning it into an ignorance issue.  It's clear Trump doesn't know what he's talking about, again.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I'm not, I'm turning it into an ignorance issue.  It's clear Trump doesn't know what he's talking about, again.

Trump didn't mention race, did he?

 

You did.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Actually, the Donald was talking about, and I quote, "pillaging and theft".  It is obvious that he meant the mass robberies and destruction plaguing California cities. The kind that is making major retailers leave in droves. Simple shoplifting has been around since God's dog was a puppy.  And was not the point he was making. The kind of organized orgies of looting that occur are a new development, brought on in large part by law enforcement not being able to pursue and/or arrest the perpetrators. 

If a supposed Presidential Candidate is talking about shooting people do you think he should be precise in his language?

 

Or was he slurring out one of his dog whistles to those who have in mind a demographic they would like to have free license to shoot?

 

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Actually, the Donald was talking about, and I quote, "pillaging and theft".  It is obvious that he meant the mass robberies and destruction plaguing California cities. The kind that is making major retailers leave in droves. Simple shoplifting has been around since God's dog was a puppy.  And was not the point he was making. The kind of organized orgies of looting that occur are a new development, brought on in large part by law enforcement not being able to pursue and/or arrest the perpetrators. 

Really?  Where doe she exclude shoplifting from the theft category?

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If a supposed Presidential Candidate is talking about shooting people do you think he should be precise in his language?

 

Or was he slurring out one of his fog whistles to those who have in mind a demographic they would like to have free license to shoot?

I wonder how he feels about shooting people who commit financial fraud.

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If a supposed Presidential Candidate is talking about shooting people do you think he should be precise in his language?

 

Or was he slurring out one of his fog whistles to those who have in mind a demographic they would like to have free license to shoot?

Yes, he should be more precise. But asking The Donald to be precise is like asking Biden to climb stairs. You can do it, but don't be surprised at the results.

 

I am not sure what you mean in the last part of your comment. Could you be more specific?  Do you mean free license to shoot young people who are on social media?

[2baht]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, he should be more precise. But asking The Donald to be precise is like asking Biden to climb stairs. You can do it, but don't be surprised at the results.

 

I am not sure what you mean in the last part of your comment. Could you be more specific?  Do you mean free license to shoot young people who are on social media?

Oh just give every good guy a gun, they can shoot the bad guys! ????

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, he should be more precise. But asking The Donald to be precise is like asking Biden to climb stairs. You can do it, but don't be surprised at the results.

 

I am not sure what you mean in the last part of your comment. Could you be more specific?  Do you mean free license to shoot young people who are on social media?

Why are you asking me, you clearly thought you knew who Trump was referring to:

 

20 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Actually, the Donald was talking about, and I quote, "pillaging and theft".  It is obvious that he meant the mass robberies and destruction plaguing California cities. The kind that is making major retailers leave in droves. Simple shoplifting has been around since God's dog was a puppy.  And was not the point he was making. The kind of organized orgies of looting that occur are a new development, brought on in large part by law enforcement not being able to pursue and/or arrest the perpetrators. 

 

[Hanaguma]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why are you asking me, you clearly thought you knew who Trump was referring to:

 

 

Are you afraid to be direct? You are the one making the assertion. 

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

I think the definition of "shoplifting" is shifting from what I understood. Back when I was a kid, "shoplifting" meant sneakily lifting a chocolate bar or a pack of gum from a shop.  It did NOT mean breaking the windows/doors, trashing the place, and stealing bags full of merchandise.

 

I equate what is happening in many American cities to home invasions more than anything. The casual and wanton destruction of property for no purpose, the terrorizing of shop owners and their families, it goes beyond simple theft.  In these cases, I think that business owners have the right to defend their businesses as if they were defending their homes. That is, use deadly force if necessary to repel the invaders. 

 

FAFO would give some pause to the looters and vandals who assume they can get away with such wanton anti-social behavior.

FAFO? Meaning please, I a E.

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

FAFO? Meaning please, I a E.

It is the short way of saying, "F... Around and Find Out". Means that, if you do something stupid, don't be surprised if you pay a price.

[Berkshire]

34 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I wonder how he feels about shooting people who commit financial fraud.

5555...good one.  The Donald would have bullet holes like Swiss cheese.

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Are you afraid to be direct? You are the one making the assertion. 

The problem with dog whistles is, it’s only the dogs who hear them.

Edited October 3, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[Hanaguma]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The problem with dog whistles is, it’s only the dogs who hear them.

Stop deflecting. You are the one who made a veiled accusation, be a man and be specific. What exactly did you mean?  Enough with the weasel words. 

[spidermike007]

Well, this is coming from a man who is perhaps America's greatest expert on theft, and grifting. But, I do think he has a point. The shoplifting situation in California is out of control. Due to the relaxation of the laws, releasing alot of non violent offenders from prison, the police are hesitant to arrest anyone stealing under $1,000 in merchandise. So, it has become a free for all. I think the security guards should be allowed to use tasers, pepper spray, or batons, to subdue a shoplifter. Seems only fair. California is completely out of control, and it perhaps leads the nation in deterioration of quality of life, and mindless cultural decline. Homelessness and crime are rising daily, so are prices and inflation. Many are leaving the state. Most people I know who lived there, have left already.

 

Why is shoplifting so rampant? Because state law holds that stealing merchandise worth $950 or less is just a misdemeanor, which means that law enforcement probably won’t bother to investigate, and if they do, prosecutors will let it go. Why won’t store employees do anything about this theft? Because they don’t want to take the risk. Moreover, a confrontation within the store risks harming not only store staff but also customers, so employees are almost certainly instructed by their managers to do nothing. Because of this law, California is extending an open invitation to anyone to walk in and take. Just like that—since they know that police or prosecutors won’t bother with a misdemeanor complaint and that store personnel won’t stop them.

 

California will allow 63,000 prisoners, out of a population of 115,000, the possibility of early release. Sadly, this is Gavin Newsom. Creating a political moment to sign an almost meaningless shoplifting crime bill that rarely will be enforced. Defensively reacting to criticism and doing whatever it takes to deflect that criticism. Failing to lead. A governor of a state of nearly forty million, without a realistic vision to grow a better future.

 

The first image is in Novato, in Marin County. The second is downtown Los Angeles.

 

https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto-legal-california

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by spidermike007

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Stop deflecting. You are the one who made a veiled accusation, be a man and be specific. What exactly did you mean?  Enough with the weasel words. 

I think you’ll find I asked a question:

 

“Or was he slurring out one of his dog whistles to those who have in mind a demographic they would like to have free license to shoot?”

[scorecard]

On 10/1/2023 at 12:37 PM, LosLobo said:

I would suggest that fraud and rape are virtually the same as theft.

 

You are taking something that doesn't rightfully belong to you, either by deceit or force.

 

Seems paradoxical that a proven fraudster and rapist would promote shooting for theft.

Well said (with my additional words):  "Seems paradoxical that a proven fraudster and rapist and serial liar would promote shooting for theft."

[Isaan sailor]

This begs the question:  What should they do with the rise of looters, more and more brazen and aggressive?  And does anyone think a $900. limit for free shoplifting is a good thing in California?

[Rhys]

Just sometimes, sometimes, he has his hand on the pulse of many Americans, especially the shop owners in that area..

 

[Eric Loh]

20 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Well, this is coming from a man who is perhaps America's greatest expert on theft, and grifting. But, I do think he has a point. The shoplifting situation in California is out of control. Due to the relaxation of the laws, releasing alot of non violent offenders from prison, the police are hesitant to arrest anyone stealing under $1,000 in merchandise. So, it has become a free for all. I think the security guards should be allowed to use tasers, pepper spray, or batons, to subdue a shoplifter. Seems only fair. California is completely out of control, and it perhaps leads the nation in deterioration of quality of life, and mindless cultural decline. Homelessness and crime are rising daily, so are prices and inflation. Many are leaving the state. Most people I know who lived there, have left already.

 

Why is shoplifting so rampant? Because state law holds that stealing merchandise worth $950 or less is just a misdemeanor, which means that law enforcement probably won’t bother to investigate, and if they do, prosecutors will let it go. Why won’t store employees do anything about this theft? Because they don’t want to take the risk. Moreover, a confrontation within the store risks harming not only store staff but also customers, so employees are almost certainly instructed by their managers to do nothing. Because of this law, California is extending an open invitation to anyone to walk in and take. Just like that—since they know that police or prosecutors won’t bother with a misdemeanor complaint and that store personnel won’t stop them.

 

California will allow 63,000 prisoners, out of a population of 115,000, the possibility of early release. Sadly, this is Gavin Newsom. Creating a political moment to sign an almost meaningless shoplifting crime bill that rarely will be enforced. Defensively reacting to criticism and doing whatever it takes to deflect that criticism. Failing to lead. A governor of a state of nearly forty million, without a realistic vision to grow a better future.

 

The first image is in Novato, in Marin County. The second is downtown Los Angeles.

 

https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto-legal-california

 

 

 

 

 

Putting the larcency cases in the right perspective. California is way down the ranking. Also many states charge shoplifting as a misdemeanour if the value of the stolen goods is below certain amount; not only in California. 

 

statista.com/statistics/232542/larceny-thefts-reported-in-the-us-by-state/

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Eric Loh
wrong link

[Gandtee]

What about shooting those who steal money from the country who make false claims to evade paying millions in legitimate tax? And still the sheep follow the goat????

 

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Gandtee

[impulse]

On 10/2/2023 at 3:08 AM, bendejo said:

A certain element in the US began amassing guns when Obama was president

Today, the fastest growing gun toting demographic is Blacks, especially black women.  Gun sales to Blacks up 58% in just one year.

 

https://www.essence.com/news/black-women-gun-ownership-rise/

 

The MSM would have you believe it's fear of hate crime and (how stupid is this?) fear of police violence.  As if pulling a gun on the cops is going to make you safer... 

 

But if you listen to the guys doing the firearms training, it's a rational reaction to crime out of control.

 

[Hanaguma]

A shop clerk in San Francisco was just SET ON FIRE by a 'shoplifter' while the store was being robbed.   An innocent crime this is not. Time to let people take action.

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bay-area-clerk-set-on-fire-confronting-shoplifter