ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[RanongCat]

UN Security Council meeting imminent. Outcome will be of interest. Perhaps the US will  lobby for support to Israel in addition to the  several billion$ they so generously annually send to prop up Netanyahoo ?

[RanongCat]

UN Security Council meeting imminent. Outcome will be of interest. Perhaps the US will  lobby for support to Israel in addition to the  several billion$ they so generously annually send to prop up Netanyahoo ?

[RanongCat]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

Token so far. Hopefully it will remain thus.

Lebanon is already in tatters, economically and politically - so jumping in might not be the best decision. Then again, it's a great way to take people minds off domestic issues.

Can Hizbolla and the Lebonese Govt. not be separated?

[Morch]

A policeman in Egypt killed 2 Israelis and 1 Egyptian at a tourist site in Alexandria

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-egypt-attack-tourism-af8a02136c390721a0fdef647394154c

 

Should have had better sense than to vacation in Egypt at this time. RIP.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, RanongCat said:

Can Hizbolla and the Lebonese Govt. not be separated?

Hezbollah is both a military organization and a political party. They are part of the government, usually.

[RanongCat]

Just now, Morch said:

Hezbollah is both a military organization and a political party. They are part of the government, usually.

Oh , Righhht!

[herfiehandbag]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

So you're saying Israel knew about the rocket pile, 7000+ according to Hamas, and did nothing about it. I find that hard to believe.

Massive failure of Israeli intelligence here.

And, if so, not one that they will repeat.

 

How will they prevent such a stockpile?

 

By finding the manufacturing and storage sights and destroying them - a practice which I am sure they will prosecute enthusiastically in months and years to come.

[herfiehandbag]

6 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

What we need is a big Asteroid to land on this planet then all these problems will go away, I for one would welcome that with open arms.

When the dust and debris clears the first thing we will see is a Hamas "militant" waving a black flag as he launched a rocket at Tel Aviv!

[metisdead]

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[RanongCat]

9 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

said And, if so, not one that they will repeat.

 

How will they prevent such a stockpile?

 

By finding the manufacturing and storage sights and destroying them - a practice which I am sure they will prosecute enthusiastically in months and years to come.

The  saddest part of your post is the projection of said enthusiastic prosecution to be in the possible realm of  years.

[Stocky]

2 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Argumenting like this, Poland had it coming in 1939, as did Ukraine in 2022, just to name two examples?

Hardly, Poland didn't occupy Germany, stealing the fertile land and condemn the Germans to the South African equivalent of Bantustans.

 

Ditto Ukraine was occupied by Russia not the other way round.

 

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Edited October 8, 2023 by Stocky

[stevenl]

55 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Have searched but not yet found any indication of the situation for the illegal settler enclaves on the wrong side of the  fence. ????

 

50 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Concern is limited by  number?  Not Gaza. Agricultural workers  on the Israeli side  more likely.

Since you posted this I'm interested in the number of settlements in Gaza.

Edited October 8, 2023 by stevenl

[stevenl]

51 minutes ago, Morch said:

Token so far. Hopefully it will remain thus.

Lebanon is already in tatters, economically and politically - so jumping in might not be the best decision. Then again, it's a great way to take people minds off domestic issues.

I don't think they'll do more, they just can't afford another disaster like in 2006.

Edited October 8, 2023 by stevenl

[rabas]

1 hour ago, RanongCat said:

So said with a vicious swing of handbag forgetting "IMO"  and forum rules on accusational  personal attack?

FI, factual information (not sure about the handbag). 

 

This is Hamas's second and most successful attempt to overwhelm Iron Dome. The first was May 10 2021 when Hamas fired 4,350 rockets but over a longer time. Iron Dome can launch up to 800 interceptors at a time, subject to location and target constraints, and can reload subject to onsite ammo. Firing 5000 rockets rapidly followed by more would likely cause problems and was surely planned.

 

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-iron-dome

Edited October 8, 2023 by rabas

[RanongCat]

19 minutes ago, stevenl said:

 

Since you posted this I'm interested in your knowledge on the number of settlements in Gaza.

I concede that since  2005  there h.as been a withdrawal of  settlers from Gaza but a compensatory increase in the West bank. The security issue of those on the wrong side of a border remains in serious question given the overall situation.

[RanongCat]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

FI, factual information (not sure about the handbag). 

 

This is Hamas's second and most successful attempt to overwhelm Iron Dome. The first was May 10 2021 when Hamas fired 4,350 rockets but over a longer time. Iron Dome can launch up to 800 interceptors at a time, subject to location and target constraints, and can reload subject to onsite ammo. Firing 5000 rapidly followed by more would likely cause problems and was surely planned.

 

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-iron-dome

All credit to the "Iron Dome " then in intended purpose despite  limitations.

The  handbag reference was in reference to the nasty swipe and accusation of stupidity.

Is individual opinion outside of populist consensus automatically Stupidity?

 

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Nothing ever happens in a vacuum. Cause and effect. Oppression and being treated as second class citizens leads to unrest. This has happened throughout history. It is happening in that area now. Some political science professors would refer to it as blowback. Israel has become an obnoxious bully. 

There again, perhaps political science professors should opine upon the "blowback" of shooting in cold blood (and filming the act and uploading it) of adolescents sheltering in a bomb shelter, the sight of elderly people being dragged off to an uncertain ( probably certain) fate, or the sight of the naked body of a young German woman seized and murdered from a peace festival.

 

Political scientists don't have to clean up the bodies of slaughtered youth, run an increasingly fruitless attempt to locate the hostages, or explain to the parents of the murdered girl why the last image of their daughter is of some black clad bastard using her torso as a seat in the back of a pick up truck.

 

"Blowback" - utter <deleted>!

 

 

[RanongCat]

IMO the outcome of this exacerbation of a very sad conflict will only result in unnecessary deaths of many hundreds of people in a conflict that has already been drawn out for decades.

[herfiehandbag]

4 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Considering Mossad is supposed to be one of the world's top information gatherers they didn't see this coming, did they?. Is it not a war crime to cause suffering inflicted on civilians to interrupt infrastructure such as cutting off Electrical supplies to another country?

Umh, the electrical supplies to Gaza have been cut, because Hamas rocketed the power station in Israel which supplied them. Without electricity the water pumps don't work.

 

If Israel deliberately shut down power supplies and water with the intention of causing the death of civilians that might be construed as a "war crime".

 

They didn't!

 

As it is, quite probably the greatest regret of Hamas is that the lack of power makes it difficult to make replacement rockets.

[herfiehandbag]

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Israel will be asking the US for more aid and assistance.

 

I wonder if in some 'perfect' phone call, if Biden will link the release of aid to Israel first providing dirt on Biden's potential opponent?

 

Would that be an impeachable offense? Republicans have said it would not, at least that's what they used to say.

Oh for crying out loud!

[placeholder]

I don't ordinarily have much use for Thomas Friedman but I think his belief that the Iranians played a strong role in instigating the Hamas attack is sound. The last thing the Iranians want is a Saudi et alii rapprochement with Israel.

https://archive.ph/JnKnt

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by placeholder

[Tug]

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Israel will be asking the US for more aid and assistance.

 

I wonder if in some 'perfect' phone call, if Biden will link the release of aid to Israel first providing dirt on Biden's potential opponent?

 

Would that be an impeachable offense? Republicans have said it would not, at least that's what they used to say.

Good one thanks for the chuckle here’s a lighter thought amongst this tragic horror guess who’s getting jealous he’s not getting all the attention?anyway a major miscalculation on the part of hammas they will be absolutely slaughtered even if it takes years the mossad will rub out each and every one of them 

[Furioso]

Shove Hamas into the Sanai peninsula turn the Gaza strip into glass beads Hezbollah you're next sorry about the hostages LET'S GOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Edited October 8, 2023 by Furioso
War!

[Seppius]

World War 3 starting right in front of our eyes

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Seppius said:

World War 3 starting right in front of our eyes

Where has that been reported ?

 

[placeholder]

This is possibly ominous:

 

Hezbollah, Israel exchange fire following attack from Palestinian militants

Lebanon’s armed group Hezbollah and Israel exchanged fire on Sunday — one day after Palestinian militants launched a deadly surprise attack in Israel, leaving hundreds dead and thousands injured.

Hezbollah said Sunday that it fired off guided rockets and artillery in the Shebaa Farms to show they stand “in solidarity” with the Palestinian people, Reuters reported. Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Sunday that IDF “struck targets in the area” after Hezbollah, an Iran-backed group, fired rockets into Israel. 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4244228-hezbollah-israel-exchange-fire-following-attack-from-palestinian-militants/

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

This is possibly ominous:

 

Hezbollah, Israel exchange fire following attack from Palestinian militants

Lebanon’s armed group Hezbollah and Israel exchanged fire on Sunday — one day after Palestinian militants launched a deadly surprise attack in Israel, leaving hundreds dead and thousands injured.

Hezbollah said Sunday that it fired off guided rockets and artillery in the Shebaa Farms to show they stand “in solidarity” with the Palestinian people, Reuters reported. Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Sunday that IDF “struck targets in the area” after Hezbollah, an Iran-backed group, fired rockets into Israel. 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4244228-hezbollah-israel-exchange-fire-following-attack-from-palestinian-militants/

Happened earlier, seems to be only a token sign of support.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

Umh, the electrical supplies to Gaza have been cut, because Hamas rocketed the power station in Israel which supplied them. Without electricity the water pumps don't work.

 

If Israel deliberately shut down power supplies and water with the intention of causing the death of civilians that might be construed as a "war crime".

 

They didn't!

 

As it is, quite probably the greatest regret of Hamas is that the lack of power makes it difficult to make replacement rockets.

The Hamas rockets did hit the power station, and operations were disturbed for a while. By the time they got the power back on, the Minister in charge already signed a decree to disconnect the Gaza Strip supply. I don't think it was done with intention of killing people, but certainly to prevent aid and succor from an enemy. This sort of thing happens almost on every round of fighting, by the way.

 

There's a power station in Gaza, but obviously it cannot supply the demand.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Furioso said:

Shove Hamas into the Sanai peninsula turn the Gaza strip into glass beads Hezbollah you're next sorry about the hostages LET'S GOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

You go right ahead, we'll catch up, hero.

[norfolkandchance]

At the end of the day. Might is Right. Leave it to the IDF.