Whats the Protocol if denied entry.

[Marky Mark Mark]

1.  Is a trip to immigration prison in order.

 

or 

 

2. Do they escort you to Departure area and you FREE to get yourself out.

 

 

To be clear.   If one Flies in and is denied entry.

[bob smith]

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:21 AM, Marky Mark Mark said:

1.  Is a trip to immigration prison in order.

 

or 

 

2. Do they escort you to Departure area and you FREE to get yourself out.

 

 

To be clear.   If one Flies in and is denied entry.

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nothing like planning ahead eh Marky Mark Mark.

 

best to get all your ducks in a row for when that inevitable day finally comes to pass 

[brianthainess]

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:21 AM, Marky Mark Mark said:

1.  Is a trip to immigration prison in order.

 

or 

 

2. Do they escort you to Departure area and you FREE to get yourself out.

 

 

To be clear.   If one Flies in and is denied entry.

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Depends if you have the money to buy a ticket home on the  first flight out. You could possibly be allowed to stay in the airport until departure. just a guess.

[2baht]

They put you on the next available flight back to where you came from and you pay!

 

 

[impulse]

Illegitimati non carborundum.

It's a good question and worth discussing.

 

[impulse]

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:39 AM, 2baht said:

They put you on the next flight back to where you came from and you pay!

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Maybe.  What if you can't pay?  What if you don't have permission to re-enter, like a single entry visa?

 

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:21 AM, Marky Mark Mark said:

Is a trip to immigration prison in order.

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No, not if you're simply denied entry, IDC could not be involved if you're not officially stamped into the country.  

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:41 AM, impulse said:

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:39 AM, 2baht said:

They put you on the next flight back to where you came from and you pay!

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Maybe.  What if you can't pay? 

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You'd be kept in custody at the airport until you could or, depending on the circumstances, the airline may be held responsible for providing a flight back to where you came from.

[norfolkandchance]

Do you see a problem entering. If so don't come.

[bendejo]

There is an advantage to using land borders.

 

[DrJack54]

https://aseannow.com/topic/1301847-denied-entry/ 

 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1295315-what-happens-if-thailand-denied-me-to-entry-to-the-country/ 

 

Interesting post from ubonjoe in this thread....

 

 

[sandyf]

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:35 AM, brianthainess said:

Depends if you have the money to buy a ticket home on the  first flight out. You could possibly be allowed to stay in the airport until departure. just a guess.

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In the recent high profile case, the tennis player was detained in a hotel for a few days until the decision was enforced. The rules are international and it appears regularly on the TV programe "Nothing to Declare". Those denied entry are detained by immigration at the airport and  put on the first available flight out. Under the Standard Conditions of Carriage airlines have the right to recover all expenses incurred.

Nothing is ever set in stone and if funds available probably some room for negotiation on where you go.

[bamnutsak]

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/thaivisaadvice/posts/3780708342253007/

 

 

 

[GypsyT]

I noticed increased checking regarding return ticket from EU by Thai Airline. They had two check points before boarding.

One gentleman, flying Silk class, didn't have ticket out of Thailand within 30 days. Didn't see if he got in or not but conversation was intense.

I had booked flight to VN, in case. Lucky me I did ????

 

[KhunLA]

@Marky Mark Mark  Curious why you think you would be denied, as do you have something on your 'Imm record' that might cause that ?

 

I doubt an airlines would board you if they thought you wouldn't be admitted, as then they would be responsible for providing your return transport.

[impulse]

  On 10/8/2023 at 3:16 AM, GypsyT said:

I noticed increased checking regarding return ticket from EU by Thai Airline. They had two check points before boarding.

One gentleman, flying Silk class, didn't have ticket out of Thailand within 30 days. Didn't see if he got in or not but conversation was intense.

I had booked flight to VN, in case. Lucky me I did

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I'm finding the same, flying to BKK from China post Covid.  The (mostly) Chinese airlines are asking for an onward ticket on the inbound and outbound flights.  To BKK, I've been asked to show funds.  But neither country's immigration offices have ever asked to see an onward ticket or to flash cash.  Just the airlines.

 

[sandyf]

  On 10/8/2023 at 3:22 AM, KhunLA said:

I doubt an airlines would board you if they thought you wouldn't be admitted, as then they would be responsible for providing your return transport.

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Airline diligence does have a lot to do with it. I just flew back to Thailand with a one way ticket and virgin passport, I had e-visa in my hand but check-in never asked to see it.

 

It is a myth that airlines are responsible, you will normally be put on the first available flight and the airline has the right to recover the expense.

When BA used to fly direct it was a turnaround, next flight wasn't for 24 hours.

[KhunLA]

  On 10/8/2023 at 3:37 AM, sandyf said:

It is a myth that airlines are responsible, you will normally be put on the first available flight and the airline has the right to recover the expense.

When BA used to fly direct it was a turnaround, next flight wasn't for 24 hours.

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Working for the airlines, unless things have changed, I'm pretty confident in my statement being accurate.  

[Sheryl]

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:46 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

You'd be kept in custody at the airport until you could or, depending on the circumstances, the airline may be held responsible for providing a flight back to where you came from.

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This.  There is a detention area within the airport (guarded). You go there until your flight out. "Reviews" of the place aren't exactly favorable, communication is limited and you have little or no say on when and where you fly out. But certainly better than the IDC. You are never let free in the departure area. When it is time to go you are escorted right onto the plane. 

[petedk]

  On 10/8/2023 at 3:02 AM, sandyf said:

In the recent high profile case, the tennis player was detained in a hotel for a few days until the decision was enforced. The rules are international and it appears regularly on the TV programe "Nothing to Declare". Those denied entry are detained by immigration at the airport and  put on the first available flight out. Under the Standard Conditions of Carriage airlines have the right to recover all expenses incurred.

Nothing is ever set in stone and if funds available probably some room for negotiation on where you go.

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You are correct.

Depending on the reason for denied entry of course.

 

The airline is at check-in will check your visa, passport expiry date and maybe other stamps regarding denied entry. If you are stopped at immigration and denied entry for any of these reasons, the airline is required to pay for your flight home. That is why they are strict at check-in. Also if there are too many breaches by the airline, then they will be blacklisted.

Of course the airline will try to get you to pay, but by law they have to pay under these circumstances.

[impulse]

  On 10/8/2023 at 4:11 AM, petedk said:

That is why they are strict at check-in. Also if there are too many breaches by the airline, then they will be blacklisted.

Of course the airline will try to get you to pay, but by law they have to pay under these circumstances.

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Years ago, a nice lady at United told me the airlines are also subject to fines, typically $5,000 USD but can be up to $50K.  She told me that after denying me boarding to China.   

 

Fortunately, it was the 2nd leg of my trip and United shouldn't have even let me on the first leg.  So off I went to the local (Chicago) consulate to get a visa and they put me on a flight the next day.  Before then, China was visa-on-arrival for Americans if you had a letter of invitation from an approved company.

 

[QuantumQuandry]

  On 10/8/2023 at 3:16 AM, GypsyT said:

I noticed increased checking regarding return ticket from EU by Thai Airline. They had two check points before boarding.

One gentleman, flying Silk class, didn't have ticket out of Thailand within 30 days. Didn't see if he got in or not but conversation was intense.

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I can answer the ongoing ticket question.  Note that this is different than the question of being denied entry at the arrival airport, this is being denied at departure point.

 

When it happened to me, they just made me buy a throwaway ticket.  They even searched and found me the cheapest ticket available (like $50 or so).  I paid with credit card and was on my way.

 

For the 'being denied entry' thing, I have no experience with this.  I always assumed they just don't let you in and you buy a ticket out and have to wait there.  Or you end up like that guy in the movie "The Terminal" lol.

 

I mean, they never *have* to let you in.  So it's not like people know, 100%, they will get in.  So I am shocked they would detain you, rather than just deny entry.  But seems most people are saying you get detained so I believe them...just surprised. 

 

Just to clarify, that's for any denial, right?  Not just some criminal-related denial?  Like if they decide you had too many ED visas or a page in your passport was eroded or those guys who have done too many tourist visas in one year?  They send you back to point of departure?

 

Edit: I found this on a Thailand legal site: https://www.legal.co.th/resources/visa-immigration-law/thailand-immigration-law/what-happens-if-i-am-denied-admission-thailand/

 

tldr; is they let you make arrangements to leave but you get a red flag on your passport that means you may not be able to go where you want (people often go to Cambodia or Malaysia if it's just too many tourist visas).  You could be detained but that's a worst-case scenario.  And that red flag may eventually lead to you returning to your country where the red flag is then reset and you are ok.

[chuang]

what have you done...

[BritTim]

I have looked into this subject fairly thoroughly in the past. I cover below the rules for a denied entry at an airport. The rules are rather different (though similar in intent) if denied at a land border.

 

First, do not confuse "denied entry" which occurs before you are admitted to the country, with "deportation" which occurs after.

 

When you are an INAD (inadmissible person) regardless of the reason for the denied entry, the airline that brought you to Thailand is responsible for your removal. That is true whether or not the airline is paid to do so and even if the airline is totally blameless.

 

Generally speaking, there is a strong recommendation that the airline return you to the last embarkation point on your journey to Thailand. If you will not be granted re-entry at the last embarkation point, most often, the airline will arrange your return to your home country.

 

Although most INADs do not realise this, and the ultimate decision is with the airline representative, you have some leverage. The airline is allowed to take you take you to any destination where you will be allowed entry. If you do not want to be returned to home country, you should tell the airline representative where you are willing to go (a destination that airline flies to) telling them that you will happily pay to be taken there, but will resist attempts to get you to pay to be taken somewhere you do not want to go.

 

Although, in theory, the airline could be forced to carry you for free, in almost all cases this will not happen. If you have unused paid up tickets on the same airline, these will be grabbed to defray the cost. That aside, if you are refusing to pay, the authorities at many destinations will (generally illegally) threaten to lock you up until you agree to pay.

 

There are also rules for who is responsible to pay for your food and lodging at the airport while awaiting removal (sometimes the airline, sometimes the Thai authorities). Again, pressure will usually be brought for reimbursement.

 

Outside formal denial of entry, Thai Immigration may occasionally allow you to leave voluntarily. In that situation, they will facilitate you buying a ticket to go wherever you wish, and it will appear that you only transited (airside) in Thailand. There will be no evidence in your passport or Thailand's system of a denied entry. If denied entry seems inevitable, it may be worth discussing this option with the immigration official.

[raz0r21]

In another thread OP wrote that he has stayed 10 months out of 12 in total, which is usually the time Immigration will start to tell you to have another visa. No time out of the country is frowned upon in my experience, and i strongly suggest you dont play with fire. Get another type of visa, stay out of the country for at least a month, or prepare to roll the dice.

[freeworld]

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:41 AM, impulse said:

Maybe.  What if you can't pay?  What if you don't have permission to re-enter, like a single entry visa?

 

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Don't worry, the immigration officer will do their best to help find a solution.

[scorecard]

  On 10/8/2023 at 3:02 AM, sandyf said:

In the recent high profile case, the tennis player was detained in a hotel for a few days until the decision was enforced. The rules are international and it appears regularly on the TV programe "Nothing to Declare". Those denied entry are detained by immigration at the airport and  put on the first available flight out. Under the Standard Conditions of Carriage airlines have the right to recover all expenses incurred.

Nothing is ever set in stone and if funds available probably some room for negotiation on where you go.

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Could well be true but all involved(especially the airline) will be very careful that the person doesn't go to a country where there could be further border point issues. 

[Liverpool Lou]

  On 10/8/2023 at 3:50 AM, Sheryl said:

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:46 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

You'd be kept in custody at the airport until you could or, depending on the circumstances, the airline may be held responsible for providing a flight back to where you came from.

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This.  There is a detention area within the airport (guarded). 

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I know, hence my post.

[DrJack54]

  On 10/8/2023 at 6:14 AM, scorecard said:

Could well be true but all involved(especially the airline) will be very careful that the person doesn't go to a country where there could be further border point issues. 

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Sometimes even that does not work.

 

In 2018 or 19 can't recall there was case of UK guy flew to Saigon for a bounce.

EXTENSIVE history ....refused entry (think it was DMK) ...

Flown back to Saigon.

Immigration Saigon refused entry.

Subsequently sent back to UK. 

 

I still wonder why folk do this.

Must be Thai squeeze .

This OP is playing Russian Roulette. 

Not pleasant 

[Maestro]

  On 10/8/2023 at 1:39 AM, impulse said:

Illegitimati non carborundum.

It's a good question and worth discussing.

 

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Sorry, only English is allowed on this forum except in the Thai Language Forum (but if it is a short quote conveying some useful wisdom you may get away with it if you add an English translation). To spare you from sanctions, I give the translation for "illegitimati non carborundum" here: 

"Don't let the bastards grind you down" (not sure if bast**** will get replaced with <deleted>)

Source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum

 

Otherwise, there is no harm in flaunting your erudition occasionally. Honi soit qui mal y pense (shame on anyone who thinks evil of it)