4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As seen on Al Jazeera, Jordanians are trying to storm the US embassy.

The anger against israel is now turning against the US as well.

Biden may come to regret his love in with netanyahu.

Everywhere in the EU, North Africa, Asia, US, India, Pakistan, Yemen, Middle East, etc...all against the bombing of Gaza civilians.

 

The UN resolution proposed Monday evening by Russia for ceasefire in Gaza for Hamas and Israel has been cancelled : US, UK, France and Japan voted against.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142427

 

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2392591/middle-east

 

Even today, after the hospital bombing, the 2nd resolution/proposal was vetoed by the US.

To know that 60% of the Gaza population are younger than 18 years old and +/- 50.000 women are pregnant, but have to remain in a battle zone due to "the right self-defense " of Israel...

 

quote from link :

 

"The United States on Wednesday vetoed a UN Security Council resolution that would have called for “humanitarian pauses” to deliver lifesaving aid to millions in Gaza. The failure by the Council to make its first public intervention on the Israel-Gaza crisis followed the rejection of a Russian-backed draft on Monday evening."

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142507

 

Cronyism at a very high price  for both sides...

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Everywhere in the EU, North Africa, Asia, US, India, Pakistan, Yemen, Middle East, etc...all against the bombing of Gaza civilians.

 

Israel are not bombing civilians though , they have told the civilians to move away from the battle zone 

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Filmed today from Al Quds hospital (see ambulances parked) in North Gaza. 

 

 

 

 

 

Weren't those rockets dud hamas rockets that didn't reach Israel ?

This dialogue is also getting extremely repetitive , you know what I will be saying next, do I really need to write it ?

   The bit about hamas putting civilians in the firing  line and firing rockets from hospitals 

55 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

Everywhere in the EU, North Africa, Asia, US, India, Pakistan, Yemen, Middle East, etc...all against the bombing of Gaza civilians.

 

The UN resolution proposed Monday evening by Russia for ceasefire in Gaza for Hamas and Israel has been cancelled : US, UK, France and Japan voted against.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142427

 

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2392591/middle-east

 

Even today, after the hospital bombing, the 2nd resolution/proposal was vetoed by the US.

To know that 60% of the Gaza population are younger than 18 years old and +/- 50.000 women are pregnant, but have to remain in a battle zone due to "the right self-defense " of Israel...

 

quote from link :

 

"The United States on Wednesday vetoed a UN Security Council resolution that would have called for “humanitarian pauses” to deliver lifesaving aid to millions in Gaza. The failure by the Council to make its first public intervention on the Israel-Gaza crisis followed the rejection of a Russian-backed draft on Monday evening."

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142507

 

Cronyism at a very high price  for both sides...

Russia calling for a ceasefire? Pot calling.

There is no way I believe Israel did that!

they have absolutely nothing to gain!

now would Putin do something like that?

3 hours ago, Thorgal said:

"the right self-defense " of Israel...

It's IMO an abomination to call the systematic destruction of Gaza  from the safety of israel "self defense". They have nothing other than a few rockets to attack israel with.

What about the Palestinian's right to defend themselves, or are they just subhumans without any rights?

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As pointed out by a guest on Al Jazeera, how many rockets do the resistance in Gaza posses that can do that much damage?

 

I've been watching netanyahu and biden saying it's all the Palestinian's doing, but IMO every word that comes out of their mouths is a lie.

 

BTW, it was excellent to see the Arab nations snub biden over the conference he was supposed to attend, which they cancelled.

Turns out that trip was just a waste of jet fuel.

 

If you bothered looking at pictures taken on site the morning after, the damage is not extensive at all. And as to answer your question regardless, both Hamas and Islamic Jihad posses a stock of larger rockets that can reach Israel's north (a few were already launched).

 

So, Netanyyau and Biden are liars, but taking everything Hamas leaders (or any leader critical/hostile toward Israel) is alright? Because, basically that's what you do. Until now, to my knowledge, Hamas did not present any actual evidence supporting its claims.

 

Why was it good that the conference was cancelled? It was aimed at finding solutions for humanitarian issues in the Gaza Strip. Seems like point scoring matters more, as far as you're concerned.

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Apparently someone thinks AI can't modify any digital media, LOL.

 

Apparently someone implies things he cannot back up.

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

South Africa blames israel for the hospital bombing

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/south-africa-condemns-israels-bombing-of-gaza-hospital-calling-it-war-crime/3024988

“Just as the attack by Hamas on civilians in Israel was abhorrent, there are no words to fully express South Africa’s condemnation of Israel’s bombing of the Ahli Arab Baptist hospital,” the Foreign Ministry, known as the Department of International Relations and Cooperation, said in a statement.

The ministry said targeting civilians in armed conflicts is in violation of international humanitarian laws and the Geneva Conventions.

Pretoria has been vocal against Tel Aviv’s atrocities in occupied Palestinian territories.

The expected knee-jerk reaction.

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel are not bombing civilians though , they have told the civilians to move away from the battle zone 

Are you taking the mickey? The entire Gaza strip has been bombed ( as reported by Al Jazeera ).

So, where is not a battle zone?

If they ain't trying to bomb civilians they ain't doing a very good job with those precision bombs- over 1,000 dead children say so.

 

Outside the fence might be safe, but israel won't let them leave.

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's IMO an abomination to call the systematic destruction of Gaza  from the safety of israel "self defense". They have nothing other than a few rockets to attack israel with.

What about the Palestinian's right to defend themselves, or are they just subhumans without any rights?

They had the right not to have to kill, rape, kidnap and cut the heads off little babies too. That kind of brutality won't get anyone near a negotiating table.

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Exaggeration or not, it has galvanised many countries to condemn israel, and caused a snub to biden ( and America ) by a meeting cancellation.

 

I'm even watching ( on Al Jazeera ) a pro Palestinian protest ( including Jews ) in the US congress building calling for a ceasefire. Seems the carefully crafted message that ALL Americans support israel is falling apart.

 

IMO it's not going to end well for israel, even if they reduce Gaza to a wasteland.

Got to love your priorities - the main thing being, apparently, 'not going to end well for Israel', and if it takes 'reduce Gaza to a wasteland'....oh well.

 

I don't know that there was a message about ALL Americans support Israel, never mind the loaded 'carefully crafted'. Americans have differing views on things, Jews have differing views on things. That's alright and as it should be. On the other hand, you keep pushing the notion that the Muslim/Arab world is single-minded....

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

At this stage it doesn't make a difference which side was actually responsible. The way israel has behaved and is behaving means that many will automatically blame israel, regardless of the truth.

So many countries have condemned israel and so many people are now against israel that even if Moses appeared with evidence that it was a Palestinian rocket no one against israel would change their mind and say "OK we were wrong, carry on bombing children to bits".

The tide of world opinion is turning against the israelis, and hopefully a return to israeli oppression of Palestinians will never be allowed.

It does matter. Not for you, obviously. Not for mobs of incited, uninformed people. Not for cynical leaderships. But it does matter.

 

That you have no issue with the knee-jerk responses to that (and indeed, act so yourself) is quite telling. Just as them, it's not truth, fact or anything of the sort that's of interest - it's the support for the narrative, the scoring of points the one-sided agenda.

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

They had the right not to have to kill, rape, kidnap and cut the heads off little babies too. That kind of brutality won't get anyone near a negotiating table.

You don't still believe that lie about decapitating babies do you?

 

https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-10-14/the-decapitated-babies-that-no-one-saw-but-someone-used.html

even the president of the world’s leading power has stated that he has seen babies beheaded by Hamas. Joe Biden said it with the same assertiveness with which his own team later denied it: “I never really thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children.” It was a lie. In fact, an Israeli journalist had reported that the army had found 40 beheaded babies in a kibbutz, an unconfirmed story echoed by the Israeli government.

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

They had the right not to have to kill, rape, kidnap and cut the heads off little babies too. That kind of brutality won't get anyone near a negotiating table.

How about the right to not be killed with impunity by israelis for the past 30 years? How about the right not to have their land stolen by settlers? How about the right to not be subject to collective punishment?

BBC PHOTO OF THE BLAST AREA

 

Pretty clear that the hospital wasn't hit.

 

Also, no chance 500 people were killed.

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You don't still believe that lie about decapitating babies do you?

 

https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-10-14/the-decapitated-babies-that-no-one-saw-but-someone-used.html

even the president of the world’s leading power has stated that he has seen babies beheaded by Hamas. Joe Biden said it with the same assertiveness with which his own team later denied it: “I never really thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children.” It was a lie. In fact, an Israeli journalist had reported that the army had found 40 beheaded babies in a kibbutz, an unconfirmed story echoed by the Israeli government.

Do you truly believe that the method by which Hamas animals chose to murder children is really the important part of the story? Reporters have seen the bodies, murdered in various cruel and despicable ways.  It truly boggles my mind that some people latch onto such picayune details and try to use them as a lever to discredit the truth. 

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How about the right to not be killed with impunity by israelis for the past 30 years? How about the right not to have their land stolen by settlers? How about the right to not be subject to collective punishment?

Yeah, all those Jew settlers in Gaza need to leave NOW!

 

...oh wait, they left 17 years ago.

 

Nevermind...

 

Plus, if the people of Gaza do not want to be punished for supporting, hiding, and coddling Hamas, then they should have stopped supporting, hiding, and coddling Hamas.  

16 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I believe Israel DID bomb the hospital.

And I also believe Israel and the western media will cover it up.

I don’t have access to the intel so I don’t know what to believe, everything else is just propaganda.

Sickening, whoever's to blame.

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As seen on Al Jazeera, Jordanians are trying to storm the US embassy.

The anger against israel is now turning against the US as well.

Biden may come to regret his love in with netanyahu.

Biden does not 'love' Netanyahu.

Biden was critical of Netanyahu's policies since Netanyahu formed the current Israeli government. Netanyahu was denied a White House visit, and only received a short meeting after months of waiting. I'm sure Biden is not happy having to go through the act, but that's part of the job.

 

And just to remind - American citizens were murdered and abducted. If Biden would have done nothing, you and others on here would complain he's 'weak' or something.

4 hours ago, Thorgal said:

Everywhere in the EU, North Africa, Asia, US, India, Pakistan, Yemen, Middle East, etc...all against the bombing of Gaza civilians.

 

The UN resolution proposed Monday evening by Russia for ceasefire in Gaza for Hamas and Israel has been cancelled : US, UK, France and Japan voted against.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142427

 

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2392591/middle-east

 

Even today, after the hospital bombing, the 2nd resolution/proposal was vetoed by the US.

To know that 60% of the Gaza population are younger than 18 years old and +/- 50.000 women are pregnant, but have to remain in a battle zone due to "the right self-defense " of Israel...

 

quote from link :

 

"The United States on Wednesday vetoed a UN Security Council resolution that would have called for “humanitarian pauses” to deliver lifesaving aid to millions in Gaza. The failure by the Council to make its first public intervention on the Israel-Gaza crisis followed the rejection of a Russian-backed draft on Monday evening."

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/10/1142507

 

Cronyism at a very high price  for both sides...

 

You somehow fail to mention the grounds for which the proposals were rejected. Not very honest....

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Weren't those rockets dud hamas rockets that didn't reach Israel ?

This dialogue is also getting extremely repetitive , you know what I will be saying next, do I really need to write it ?

   The bit about hamas putting civilians in the firing  line and firing rockets from hospitals 

Didn't Goebbels say that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth.☹️

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's IMO an abomination to call the systematic destruction of Gaza  from the safety of israel "self defense". They have nothing other than a few rockets to attack israel with.

What about the Palestinian's right to defend themselves, or are they just subhumans without any rights?

So far there were thousands of rockets launched at Israel, not 'a few'.

And, of course, the murders of Israeli civilians on the Hamas attack did not require rockets.

 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you taking the mickey? The entire Gaza strip has been bombed ( as reported by Al Jazeera ).

So, where is not a battle zone?

If they ain't trying to bomb civilians they ain't doing a very good job with those precision bombs- over 1,000 dead children say so.

 

Outside the fence might be safe, but israel won't let them leave.

If Hamas was not hiding among civilians, maybe this would have been less on an issue. Somehow you seem to ignore this or imply that's alright.

 

Regardless of AlJazeera's reporting, or your rendering of it, it is not true that the entire Gaza Strip has been bombed. If that was so, the casualty lists would be way longer.

 

As for your last bit of dishonest commentary - it's not like Egypt is ready and willing to let them in.

Videos removed.

 

Its been said many times, if you post something as "factual" etc then you MUST support it with a link to its credible source or it will be removed.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Didn't Goebbels say that if you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth.☹️

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/18/gaza-rocket-hospital-blast-vpx.cnn

 

CNN is showing video from Al Jazeera depicting the failed rocket landing in the hospital parking lot.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How about the right to not be killed with impunity by israelis for the past 30 years? How about the right not to have their land stolen by settlers? How about the right to not be subject to collective punishment?

Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip long ago. No Israeli settlements there.

Israel does not usually initiate attacks on the Gaza Strip, but rather responds to Hamas/Islamic Jihad actions.

The blockade on the Gaza Strip is directly related to Hamas actions and agenda.

 

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

South Africa blames israel for the hospital bombing

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/south-africa-condemns-israels-bombing-of-gaza-hospital-calling-it-war-crime/3024988

“Just as the attack by Hamas on civilians in Israel was abhorrent, there are no words to fully express South Africa’s condemnation of Israel’s bombing of the Ahli Arab Baptist hospital,” the Foreign Ministry, known as the Department of International Relations and Cooperation, said in a statement.

The ministry said targeting civilians in armed conflicts is in violation of international humanitarian laws and the Geneva Conventions.

Pretoria has been vocal against Tel Aviv’s atrocities in occupied Palestinian territories.

 

There doesn't seem to be any evidence that an Israeli bomb hit the hospital parking lot.