3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Health care in the US is already free for the poor, has been for at least 50 years. 

So what is Obamacare then?

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It is.

 

You have to work really hard to read this a

"Biden has already vastly lowered the cost of Obamacare and made it far more affordable to middle class Americans."

s referring to anything but the cost of it to Americans eligible for it.

Your comment is characteristically ridiculous.

 

Okay, that's what it says, but nothing in the article supports that. You can pretend it does, but it does not. 

 

Affordable Care Act | Congressional Budget Office (cbo.gov)

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, bignok said:

So what is Obamacare then?

Pandering for votes

12 minutes ago, bignok said:

Just make it free for poor people.

Given the extraordinarily high cost of insurance in the USA, coupled with fat deductibles, health insurance isn't affordable to millions of middle class Americans. Obamacare, especially as augmented by the previous congress, has made it affordable or even free to people who previously would have had to pay.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Pandering for votes

Certainly people who couldn't afford health insurance before should be grateful to the Democrats.

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Okay, that's what it says, but nothing in the article supports that. You can pretend it does, but it does not. 

 

Affordable Care Act | Congressional Budget Office (cbo.gov)

 

 

 

I have posted the text twice and that's enough.. I hate to use cliches but all I have left to say Is that I can post it for you, but I can't understand it for you.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I have posted the text twice and that's enough.. I hate to use cliches but all I have left to say Is that I can post it for you, but I can't understand it for you.

You posted a line from an MSNBC puff-piece claiming Biden lowered the cost, I posted proof from the Congressional Budget Office that the cost is going up.

 

But yeah, you've got nothing and should probably move on.

1 hour ago, WhatMeWorry said:

Stupid is as stupid does. Not a very bright woman. Get a job and you will have insurance. Medicaid is not Obamacare but for deadbeats who do not work.

"Stupid is as stupid does."

 

Correct.  It's clear that you did not read the full article, which is largely contrasting the woman's experience in getting health insurance in Germany with the scams she encountered in the US.

 

Also, employers who employ fewer than 50 workers in the US are not required to provide healthcare in the US.  No employer is required to provide health insurance for part time workers, defined as those working less than 30 hours a week.  https://www.healthcare.gov/small-businesses/learn-more/how-aca-affects-businesses/  That leaves a large portion of jobs in the US without insurance.

 

Getting back to you opening statement, why do you post without knowing the facts?

16 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"Stupid is as stupid does."

 

Correct.  It's clear that you did not read the full article, which is largely contrasting the woman's experience in getting health insurance in Germany with the scams she encountered in the US.

 

Also, employers who employ fewer than 50 workers in the US are not required to provide healthcare in the US.  No employer is required to provide health insurance for part time workers, defined as those working less than 30 hours a week.  https://www.healthcare.gov/small-businesses/learn-more/how-aca-affects-businesses/  That leaves a large portion of jobs in the US without insurance.

 

Getting back to you opening statement, why do you post without knowing the facts?

And of course, while she's looking for a job and then waiting up to 90 days for coverage to kick in, apparently WhatMeWorry thinks it's perfectly OK either to go without health insurance or spend a punishing amount for it.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You posted a line from an MSNBC puff-piece claiming Biden lowered the cost, I posted proof from the Congressional Budget Office that the cost is going up.

 

But yeah, you've got nothing and should probably move on.

Whatnonsense. Are you seriously belaboring the point that subsidized health insurance costs the government money and that if the program expands it will cost the government more?

The article I cited addressed the costs to those elgible for the program. To pretend otherwise is just an act of desperation on your part.

Mods,  this topic should be removed or the title modified.   The article makes no mention of Obamacare "saving the day."   In fact, the author enrolled in a NY State Medicaid plan which may or may not have a relationship with Obamacare.   The only mention of Obamacare is when the author indicates that she compared another and previous plan she enrolled in that was cheaper than Obamacare.

 

This would be like me posting any random article in the news and titling the topic "George Washington saves the day."  Complete misrepresentation of the article.

8 minutes ago, tjintx said:

Mods,  this topic should be removed or the title modified.   The article makes no mention of Obamacare "saving the day."   In fact, the author enrolled in a NY State Medicaid plan which may or may not have a relationship with Obamacare.   The only mention of Obamacare is when the author indicates that she compared another and previous plan she enrolled in that was cheaper than Obamacare.

 

This would be like me posting any random article in the news and titling the topic "George Washington saves the day."  Complete misrepresentation of the article.

The ACA's Medicaid provisions allowed New York to utilization federal funding to expand Medicaid to everyone with incomes up to 138% of poverty. New York went a step further than most other states by implementing the ACA's Basic Health Program, which covers people with income a little too high for Medicaid.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/medicaid/new-york/

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The ACA's Medicaid provisions allowed New York to utilization federal funding to expand Medicaid to everyone with incomes up to 138% of poverty. New York went a step further than most other states by implementing the ACA's Basic Health Program, which covers people with income a little too high for Medicaid.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/medicaid/new-york/

 

Mosquitoes are driving the ‘akikiki’ to extinction. With only 5 birds left in the wild, scientists are racing to save the species | CNN

 

George Washington saves the day!

2 minutes ago, tjintx said:

 

Mosquitoes are driving the ‘akikiki’ to extinction. With only 5 birds left in the wild, scientists are racing to save the species | CNN

 

George Washington saves the day!

 

In this article, the author discusses that the akikki bird in the State of Hawaii is almost extinct due to malaria-carrying mosquitos.   The kind that George Washington opposed and led the fight against.

4 hours ago, bignok said:

So what is Obamacare then?

More tax on the rich.

Net investment income tax of 3.8% on investments, including the sale of stocks and bonds for those who earn more than $200,000.

IRS Form 8960. example:

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

"Stupid is as stupid does."

 

Correct.  It's clear that you did not read the full article, which is largely contrasting the woman's experience in getting health insurance in Germany with the scams she encountered in the US.

 

Also, employers who employ fewer than 50 workers in the US are not required to provide healthcare in the US.  No employer is required to provide health insurance for part time workers, defined as those working less than 30 hours a week.  https://www.healthcare.gov/small-businesses/learn-more/how-aca-affects-businesses/  That leaves a large portion of jobs in the US without insurance.

 

Getting back to you opening statement, why do you post without knowing the facts?

Hawaii law overrides the 50 worker, 30 hour rule.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/hawaii-s-prepaid-health-care-law-4783107

ACA benefitted so few.  Just another corporate scam the masses fell for ...

... hook line & sinker

 

Simply raised the cost of health care for those that pay, with less coverage, larger deductible.

 

IMHO

 

 

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

ACA benefitted so few.  Just another corporate scam the masses fell for ...

... hook line & sinker

 

Simply raised the cost of health care for those that pay, with less coverage, larger deductible.

 

IMHO

 

 

Yeah, just one of the divider-in-chief's big lies. 

 

 

Too funny ... 😂

... explains quite a bit

 

900+ Pages, Do you think any Dem actually read it:

 

24 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, just one of the divider-in-chief's big lies. 

 

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

ACA benefitted so few.  Just another corporate scam the masses fell for ...

... hook line & sinker

 

Simply raised the cost of health care for those that pay, with less coverage, larger deductible.

 

IMHO

 

 

When I asked my dental insurance provider why my rates are being doubled, the reply was, "Because of Obamacare."  I asked my dentist if he would still keep me as a patient if I was self insured.

He said "no problem"  Glad I cancelled since I don't need the insurance company's okay for certain procedures.  I get to decide.

29 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

When I asked my dental insurance provider why my rates are being doubled, the reply was, "Because of Obamacare."  I asked my dentist if he would still keep me as a patient if I was self insured.

He said "no problem"  Glad I cancelled since I don't need the insurance company's okay for certain procedures.  I get to decide.

Well, if your dentist says so, it must be true. Except that dentistry is largely unregulated. So how would Obamacare affect its costs?

 

"Through the roof": The impact of rising costs on dentistry
Sept. 16, 2022
"Practice operating costs are going up, in some cases through the roof. Yet the insurance companies aren’t really responsive to that." Read exclusive commentary on what the ADA is hoping to do for dentists.

The ADA Health Policy Institute (HPI) released new data showing sharp increases in the costs of operating dental practices, while insurance reimbursements remained flat—or even decreased.

Roughly 1 in 4 have seen the costs of supplies and materials increase by at least 20%
47% of dentists reported that lab fees increased more than 1-10%
44% of dentists reported staff wages had increased by more than 1-10%
1 in 4 dentists reported that their insurance reimbursements decreased

https://www.dentistryiq.com/dentistry/article/14282852/how-much-are-rising-costs-impacting-dentistry

 

Dental insurance isn’t a scam — but it’s also not insurance

Dental coverage has been off in its little — largely unregulated — corner, too. According to the American Dental Association, one-third of adults aged 19 to 64 don’t have any benefits at all. (For comparison, just 8.4 percent of Americans lack health insurance.) Many patients put off dental care and cite cost as the main reason they don’t go to the dentist — including those who are insured.

https://www.vox.com/23901293/dentist-delta-dental-insurance-cigna-aspen-metlife-aetna

 

14 hours ago, save the frogs said:

You are right. 

Maybe the US is the only Western country that has this system. 

WHich is not a positive.

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Well, if your dentist says so, it must be true. Except that dentistry is largely unregulated. So how would Obamacare affect its costs?

 

"Through the roof": The impact of rising costs on dentistry
Sept. 16, 2022
"Practice operating costs are going up, in some cases through the roof. Yet the insurance companies aren’t really responsive to that." Read exclusive commentary on what the ADA is hoping to do for dentists.

The ADA Health Policy Institute (HPI) released new data showing sharp increases in the costs of operating dental practices, while insurance reimbursements remained flat—or even decreased.

Roughly 1 in 4 have seen the costs of supplies and materials increase by at least 20%
47% of dentists reported that lab fees increased more than 1-10%
44% of dentists reported staff wages had increased by more than 1-10%
1 in 4 dentists reported that their insurance reimbursements decreased

https://www.dentistryiq.com/dentistry/article/14282852/how-much-are-rising-costs-impacting-dentistry

 

Dental insurance isn’t a scam — but it’s also not insurance

Dental coverage has been off in its little — largely unregulated — corner, too. According to the American Dental Association, one-third of adults aged 19 to 64 don’t have any benefits at all. (For comparison, just 8.4 percent of Americans lack health insurance.) Many patients put off dental care and cite cost as the main reason they don’t go to the dentist — including those who are insured.

https://www.vox.com/23901293/dentist-delta-dental-insurance-cigna-aspen-metlife-aetna

 

I only repeated what I was told by my dental insurance carrier why my rates doubled.  And I did not claim it was a scam.

Dental "insurance" is a fringe benefit often given by employers and is usually not considered taxable income.

Also I have never hesitated to get dental care because of cost.

What some people may be unaware of is that poor dental health can lead to heart problems.  Sepsis from a tooth infection can kill you.

8 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Hawaii law overrides the 50 worker, 30 hour rule.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/hawaii-s-prepaid-health-care-law-4783107

That's nice for the people in Hawaii.  The OP is about someone in New York.

5 hours ago, KhunLA said:

ACA benefitted so few.  Just another corporate scam the masses fell for ...

... hook line & sinker

 

Simply raised the cost of health care for those that pay, with less coverage, larger deductible.

 

IMHO

 

 

 

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Too funny ... 😂

... explains quite a bit

 

900+ Pages, Do you think any Dem actually read it:

 

 

I don't waste time with YouTube videos.  If it isn't important enough to put in print it isn't important.

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

I don't waste time with YouTube videos.  If it isn't important enough to put in print it isn't important.

Not just that, it's a lot harder to track and pinpoint errors in a video. And not just that. Why spend the time watching this stuff if the same  arguments can be read in a fraction of the time?

22 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

I don't waste time with YouTube videos.  If it isn't important enough to put in print it isn't important.

Putting it in print, or actually seeing & hearing it ...

... which is more believable ?

 

I don't believe or trust most things I read, especially when from 'source stated' ... 😂

 

Kind of eliminates people asking for a link, or source, and of course, has to be one of their bias MSM entertainment sources.  Or worse, they didn't look at the link ... vids are hard to ignore, especially short ones.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Putting it in print, or actually seeing & hearing it ...

... which is more believable ?

 

I don't believe or trust most things I read, especially when from 'source stated' ... 😂

 

Kind of eliminates people asking for a link, or source, and of course, has to be one of their bias MSM entertainment sources.  Or worse, they didn't look at the link ... vids are hard to ignore, especially short ones.

This has got to be one of the most incoherent posts I've read on this forum. Not even worth doing an autopsy on. Just mark it D.O.A. and move on.

 

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Putting it in print, or actually seeing & hearing it ...

... which is more believable ?

 

I don't believe or trust most things I read, especially when from 'source stated' ... 😂

 

Kind of eliminates people asking for a link, or source, and of course, has to be one of their bias MSM entertainment sources.  Or worse, they didn't look at the link ... vids are hard to ignore, especially short ones.

Print is easy to analyze, check for weasel words or outright lies, and present as evidence.  People choose their words carefully when writing to avoid misinterpretation and incrimination.

 

"seeing & hearing" is easy to judge subjectively, not analytically.  The speaker can always claim "that's not what I meant", "your taking it out of context", "I was just thinking out loud", etc.  Video is also a waste of time.

 

Interesting that you don't believe what you read.  I assume that means you don't waste time reading religious texts, contracts, laws, etc.  You just let someone explain them to you and hope for the best.

To be clear, anyone paying for Obamacare, is paying for the exact same care, and standing in the exact same lines as every illegal alien.