'We were told the vaccine was safe - but what happened has been life-changing’

[Red Phoenix]

Yahoo News features the story of Jamie Scott and his wife Katie:

 

"He is now a test case; the first person to lodge a claim for damages against AstraZeneca in a landmark legal action that – should he win – could pave the way for hundreds of claims and damages that will run into the tens, if not hundreds, of millions."

...

"A little over two years ago – on April 23 2021 – Jamie did what so many other Britons did."

...

There had been warnings starting to emerge of possible blood clots associated with the vaccine – two weeks before Jamie had the jab, the UK had stopped giving the AstraZeneca vaccine to the under-30s. But Jamie had wanted to do his bit and get vaccinated so he and the children could visit his elderly father. He wasn’t having the jab for himself. For a man his age and in excellent health, Covid-19 posed little threat. The AstraZeneca vaccine proved to be near fatal.

 

Source: https://news.yahoo.com/were-told-vaccine-safe-happened-170000679.html

 

 

[Gottfrid]

Yeah, people sue for everything today. If you look at the greater picture, all the approved vaccines helped massive compared to the danger they might have posed to a small promile. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Injuries and some deaths from very rare blood clotting were recognized several years ago as a very rare side effect of the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine shortly after its rollout in the United Kingdom, which led to its use in the UK first being restricted and later being removed entirely.

 

But the issue needs to be considered in context, given that the use of the AZ vaccine ended up saving far more lives from COVID than the very rare instances of serious vaccine side effects.

 

How rare? A UK government report says at least 20 million doses of the AZ vaccine were given in the UK up thru spring 2021, when it first became restricted.

 

In the years since then, according to a NY Times report earlier this year, there have been perhaps 200 cases of AZ vaccine blood clotting reported and perhaps 40 related deaths in the UK...

 

That would work out to about 1 related death per 500,000 doses of the vaccine.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/20/health/doctor-death-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine.html

 

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-where-are-we-now/

 

During the period of the pandemic, meanwhile, the UK has recorded more than 232,000 deaths due to COVID. And in fact, many experts maintain the risks of getting blood clots from COVID disease far outweigh the risks associated with the AZ vaccine.

 

"The researchers estimate that for every 10 million people who are vaccinated with AstraZeneca, there are 66 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and seven extra cases of a rare type of blood clot in the brain.

 

Infection with Covid-19 is estimated to cause 12,614 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and 20 cases of rare blood clots in the brain.

 

This research is more evidence that the benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks for most people."

 

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine

 

AND

 

"Over 20 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine have been given in the United Kingdom. The risk of a serious blood clot is about 1 in 250,000 people or 4 in 1 million.

 

COVID-19 carries a much higher risk of blood clots: 7.8 percent of people who have had COVID-19 also had a pulmonary embolism, and 11.2 percent experience deep vein thrombosis."

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/adult-vaccines/astrazeneca-vaccine#how-it-works

 

AND

 

"Independent studies have shown AstraZeneca's vaccine was highly effective in tackling the pandemic, and saved up to six million lives globally in the first year of its rollout alone."

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1832962/Oxford-AstraZeneca-covid-vaccine-legal-efficiency

 

 

All of the above said, for those AZ vaccine recipients who suffered legitimate vaccine related injuries, they (or the families of those who died) certainly deserve to be fairly compensated by the UK government.

 

 

[orchis]

another BS story

[owl sees all]

Just now, orchis said:

another BS story

Don't agree with you there Sir.

 

People have been seriously injured, and some have died. Are they not entitled to compensation? After all they were only doing as requested.

[Bkk Brian]

I read the whole article, terrible story for the victim and family. No medication is without risk but that's not me trying to minimize the impact this had on him. He was one of the very, very rare unfortunates. He and his family should have far more in financial compensation. I had 2 AZ here in Thailand. The benefits far outweighed the risks and saved a lot of lives.

Edited November 10, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

There's a certain irony here also, given that for years, many of the most vocal anti-vaxers have been railing against the supposedly unproven mRNA vaccines, and often saying if they had to be vaccinated at all, they'd instead choose the older, more traditional vaccine formulation like that used in the UK-developed AZ vaccine. No mRNA vaccines for them.

 

Well, as it turned out, the more traditional vaccine method used in the UK AZ vaccine and a similar type used in the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in the U.S. (AZ was never approved for use in the U.S.) ended up having far more (though still rare) serious side effects than either the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA vaccines have had.

 

Right now in the U.S. and the UK, the Pfizer and the Moderna mRNA COVID vaccines are the ones still being mainly used three years later. And the AZ vaccine in the U.K. and the J&J vaccine in the U.S. basically have been discontinued because of their rare side effect issues and that other, safer alternatives (mRNA) are available.

 

 

J&J Covid-19 vaccine no longer available in the US

May 15, 2023

 

"Last year, the CDC limited the emergency use authorization of the vaccine to adults for whom other vaccines aren’t appropriate or accessible due to risk of a rare and dangerous clotting condition called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after receiving the vaccine.

Only about 7% of people who are vaccinated in the US got the J&J vaccine as their first shot."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/health/johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-end/index.html

 

AND

No plans for UK to order more supplies of AstraZeneca Covid vaccine

JCVI says mRNA vaccines such as the Pfizer and Moderna jabs are the most effective for UK booster programme

 

16 Aug 2022

 

"Deemed a British success story, and estimated to have saved millions of lives worldwide, the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid jab played a key role early in the UK’s vaccination programme. But Prof Anthony Harnden, the deputy chair of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), has suggested it is unlikely to be used in the future.

...

He said an abundance of caution over the issue of blood clots in younger people was one reason the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab was not deemed suitable for the booster programme, along with public perception of the vaccine."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/16/no-plans-for-uk-to-order-more-supplies-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine

 

 

[owl sees all]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

There's a certain irony here also, given that for years, many of the most vocal anti-vaxers have been railing against the supposedly unproven mRNA vaccines, and often saying if they had to be vaccinated at all, they'd instead choose the older, more traditional vaccine formulation used in the UK-developed AZ vaccine.

 

Are you talking 'on this platform? Or worldwide?

[Gottfrid]

54 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Don't agree with you there Sir.

 

People have been seriously injured, and some have died. Are they not entitled to compensation? After all they were only doing as requested.

If it can be 100% proven, they have a case for possible compensation. However, the people died, will have a fairly big problem collecting the compensation. It will probably be relatives or family that will collect that. ;-) (Just a joke in the middle of it all) The problem might be that science will cast doubts on the possible proof, and somewhere find a red line that is the ground for the deaths of some people.

[rabas]

"We were told the vaccine was safe - but what happened has been life-changing" 

- Red Phoenix:

 

Clarification for readers:

 

Which vaccine?  The Astrazenica vaccine you refer to is not related to mRNA vaccines. No mRNA, no lipid particles, different mechanism. It's a DNA SARS-2-Cov spike vaccine using a adenovirus viral vector from monkeys. [reference]

 

BTW: Covid the disease is the primary cause of blood clots, lots, up to 10,500 in 1.4 million:

 

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19

 

Edit: added reference to viral vector vaccines.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The following isn't limited just to the AZ vaccine, but is referring to the impact of COVID vaccines in general in England:

 

"Work by the UK Health Security Agency and the University of Cambridge Medical Research Council Biostatistics Unit suggests that roughly 127,500 deaths were prevented by the Covid vaccination programme in England, up to 24 September 2021.

 

Every death is a terrible event for the people involved, but the number caused by the Covid vaccines is much smaller in comparison."

...

Overall, the vaccines have therefore saved vastly more lives than they have cost."

 

https://fullfact.org/health/covid-vaccines-saved-many-lives/

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

"For a man his age and in excellent health, Covid-19 posed little threat."

Absolute BS

[The Fugitive]

Defence will go into hyperdrive on this. The mind boggles at the amount of money Astra will put into fighting this case. Possibly working along the lines of; A) Insufficient analysis has gone into defining Vaccine-induced Immune Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT) i.e. It wasn't the vaccine that caused the damage. B) Jamie Scott was already suffering from a condition of which he was unaware. C) The very low numbers of other victims; try to establish some common link (genetic weakness perhaps) absolving the vaccine from blame.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

"For a man his age and in excellent health, Covid-19 posed little threat."

Absolute BS

 

Indeed. The article says he was age 44 back in 2021...

 

Unvaccinated people that age back in that period of time got no free pass from COVID disease/illness.

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[mark5335]

I would be curious to see comparable Thai statistics. I had blood clots in my feet 2 months after my second shot of AZ, however the Thai doctor insisted that the clots were not a result of AZ and that it was just coincidental.

[The Fugitive]

8 minutes ago, mark5335 said:

I would be curious to see comparable Thai statistics. I had blood clots in my feet 2 months after my second shot of AZ, however the Thai doctor insisted that the clots were not a result of AZ and that it was just coincidental.

Interesting, many thanks for your report! Raises the question; how did your Thai doctor know? Suspect he really meant to say that there's no way of proving it (either way).

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, mark5335 said:

I would be curious to see comparable Thai statistics. I had blood clots in my feet 2 months after my second shot of AZ, however the Thai doctor insisted that the clots were not a result of AZ and that it was just coincidental.

 

I believe, in the UK cases discussed above, the onset of blood clots -- when that actually occurred -- was relatively soon after vaccination, from days to a few weeks, and occurred more often after the first shot.

 

"The clots that are linked to this vaccine have very specific characteristics:

• They occur in less common areas of the body, like the abdomen or brain.
• People affected also have low platelet levels."

https://www.healthline.com/health/adult-vaccines/astrazeneca-vaccine

 

"The cases typically occur within weeks of vaccination."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/20/health/doctor-death-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine.html

 

The UK man discussed in the OP article here fell ill about 10 days after his first shot.

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

Says it all really, as neither strange, rare or unexpected.   From the link:

 

... "An ambulance was called, taking Jamie to the local hospital where physicians there diagnosed a suspected case of Vaccine-induced Immune Thrombocytopenia and Thrombosis (VITT). Their quick thinking helped to save Jamie’s life."

... nuff said

[sirineou]

4 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, people sue for everything today. If you look at the greater picture, all the approved vaccines helped massive compared to the danger they might have posed to a small promile. 

If he can prove that AZ maliciously misrepresented their product and caused him bodily harm, mor e power to him.IMO opinion he is looking for a payday and a settlement.  

[Amethyst]

A post has been removed for plagiarizing a non-credible social media blog that misrepresented the findings of a study on COVID vaccinations.

 

Please note the following forum rule:

 

"Topics or posts deemed to be scaremongering, deliberately misleading or which deliberately distort information will be removed."

 

https://aseannow.com/forum_rules/

 

[Eleftheros]

On 11/10/2023 at 12:01 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

There's a certain irony here also, given that for years, many of the most vocal anti-vaxers have been railing against the supposedly unproven mRNA vaccines, and often saying if they had to be vaccinated at all, they'd instead choose the older, more traditional vaccine formulation like that used in the UK-developed AZ vaccine. No mRNA vaccines for them.

Although the AZ vaccine does not use the mRNA technology, it is far from being a 'traditional' vaccine.

 

It is a viral vector vaccine, which "..[u]nlike many other vaccines that contain an infectious pathogen or a part of it, viral vector vaccines use a harmless virus to deliver a piece of genetic code to our cells, allowing them to make a pathogen’s protein."

 

So it is delivering genetic code (that encodes the SARS‑CoV‑2 spike protein) into human cells, just like Pfizer and Moderna, but it doesn't use mRNA to deliver it. If you want a traditional vaccine, you have to go for Sinovac, Sinopharm or Valneva.

 

Stick to re-issuing government press releases.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

AstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine can cause rare side effect in court documents for first time

 

AstraZeneca has admitted for the first time in court documents that its Covid vaccine can cause a rare side effect, in an apparent about-turn that could pave the way for a multi-million pound legal payout.

 

The pharmaceutical giant is being sued in a class action over claims that its vaccine, developed with the University of Oxford, caused death and serious injury in dozens of cases.

...

AstraZeneca is contesting the claims but has accepted, in a legal document submitted to the High Court in February, that its Covid vaccine “can, in very rare cases, cause TTS”. TTS – which stands for Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome – causes people to have blood clots and a low blood platelet count.

 

Fifty-one cases have been lodged in the High Court, with victims and grieving relatives seeking damages estimated to be worth up to £100 million.

...

The company is pointing out that product information relating to the vaccine was updated in April 2021, with the approval of the UK regulator, to include “the possibility that the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine is capable, in very rare cases, of being a trigger for” TTS.

 

(more)

 

From The Telegraph, via

https://news.yahoo.com/astrazeneca-admits-first-time-covid-180000780.html

 

Note: the AZ vaccine was widely used in the UK during 2021 with up to 50 million doses given, but later phased out in the UK and elsewhere as reports surfaced about the very rare blood clotting and because the mRNA COVID vaccines proved more effective. The UK government has indemnified AstraZeneca against any legal actions associated with the vaccine. Still, health authorities long maintained that the COVID disease itself carried a higher risk of blood clotting, and the vaccine's benefits in reducing COVID illness and deaths outweighed its risks.

 

AstraZeneca Covid vaccine: safety and side effects

Updated 25 January 2023

 

"In April 2021, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) confirmed a possible link between the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine and these rare blood clots, but emphasised that the benefits of the vaccine continued to outweigh the risks for the vast majority of people."

...

Study shows risk of blood clots is far greater from coronavirus than the vaccine

A study by the University of Oxford shows that having Covid-19 puts you at a much higher risk of developing dangerous blood clots than the AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccines.

...

The study, based on the health records of 29.1 million people in England, suggests while there is a slightly increased risk of developing low platelet levels and blood clots in the veins after a first dose of AstraZeneca, being infected with the virus raises this risk much more, and for longer.

 

The researchers estimate that for every 10 million people who are vaccinated with AstraZeneca, there are 66 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and seven extra cases of a rare type of blood clot in the brain. Infection with Covid-19 is estimated to cause 12,614 extra cases of blood clots in the veins and 20 cases of rare blood clots in the brain.

 

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine

 

[Red Phoenix]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

AstraZeneca admits its Covid vaccine can cause rare side effect in court documents for first time

 

AstraZeneca has admitted for the first time in court documents that its Covid vaccine can cause a rare side effect, in an apparent about-turn that could pave the way for a multi-million pound legal payout.

 

The pharmaceutical giant is being sued in a class action over claims that its vaccine, developed with the University of Oxford, caused death and serious injury in dozens of cases.

 

Well well, 3 years after injecting 50 million people with a jab that they now admit is not as 'safe and effective' as claimed back then.

But credit where credit is due, so kudos to @TGJinBKK for posting this news.

 

[Robert Paulson]

Were finally starting to learn why they needed indemnity.

 

we should have known on day 1 mind you, but a few years late is not bad at all folks 

[BritManToo]

On 11/10/2023 at 12:01 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

There's a certain irony here also, given that for years, many of the most vocal anti-vaxers have been railing against the supposedly unproven mRNA vaccines, and often saying if they had to be vaccinated at all, they'd instead choose the older, more traditional vaccine formulation like that used in the UK-developed AZ vaccine. No mRNA vaccines for them.

Says in the OP the victim asked for the Pfizer vaccination .............

[johng]

11 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

Were finally starting to learn why they needed indemnity.

 

I spoke about that issue on here  early on  and was met with denial  that they (the multiple drug companies) even had or would need immunity/indemnity after coming up with 'such a life saving medication"

 

For me this alone was and still is a huge warning sign.

[Robert Paulson]

1 hour ago, johng said:

 

I spoke about that issue on here  early on  and was met with denial  that they (the multiple drug companies) even had or would need immunity/indemnity after coming up with 'such a life saving medication"

 

For me this alone was and still is a huge warning sign.

Yep. I went through a couple of accounts on here telling people stuff that is fact nowadays. I’d say you can bring a horse to water blah blah but this seems much stupider than that to me. The horse probably just wasn’t thirsty 

[Danderman123]

On 11/9/2023 at 10:18 PM, rabas said:

"We were told the vaccine was safe - but what happened has been life-changing" 

- Red Phoenix:

 

Clarification for readers:

 

Which vaccine?  The Astrazenica vaccine you refer to is not related to mRNA vaccines. No mRNA, no lipid particles, different mechanism. It's a DNA SARS-2-Cov spike vaccine using a adenovirus viral vector from monkeys. [reference]

 

BTW: Covid the disease is the primary cause of blood clots, lots, up to 10,500 in 1.4 million:

 

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19

 

Edit: added reference to viral vector vaccines.

Can the unvaccinated who develop blood clots from COVID sue somebody?

 

Maybe some of the anti-vaxxers here can volunteer to support a fund for unvaccinated people who develop blood clots from COVID.

[bbko]

Hundreds of millions had the same vaccine and they lived, just because a dozen people's bodies couldn't handle it doesn't make it a solid case for the anti-vaxers, if someone's body is so fragile they can't handle what hundreds of millions of others had, then this is thinning the herd, survival of the fittest.  But of course the anti-vaxers will cry and whine as if the big drug companies were suggesting injecting disinfectant to the people...oh wait. 

 

 

Edited May 28 by bbko

[Robert Paulson]

7 hours ago, bbko said:

Hundreds of millions had the same vaccine and they lived, just because a dozen people's bodies couldn't handle it doesn't make it a solid case for the anti-vaxers, if someone's body is so fragile they can't handle what hundreds of millions of others had, then this is thinning the herd, survival of the fittest.  But of course the anti-vaxers will cry and whine as if the big drug companies were suggesting injecting disinfectant to the people...oh wait. 

 

 

The thinning of the herd you speak of may turn out to be the ones who took the stuff