Miraculous escape from Gaza hellfire: Thai worker’s astonishing tale of survival

[snoop1130]

 

In the aftermath of the conflict in Gaza, Thai worker Wanchai Monsena defies death and lives to recount a harrowing tale of survival.

 

The resulting conflict between Israel and Hamas has left 39 Thai compatriots dead, 19 wounded, and 30 abducted. But amidst the tragedy, Thai worker Wanchai’s resilience shines through as he battles back from the brink.

 

Communication proves a formidable challenge for Wanchai, a 44 year old Thai survivor, as he navigates Israeli medical care. With only Thai at his disposal, his silent strength speaks volumes, earning admiration from medical staff despite the language barrier.

 

The Thai worker’s ordeal began on a seemingly ordinary day near the Ego packaging factory. As rockets rained down, a group of Hamas terrorists descended. What followed was a nightmare: fire, chaos, and an impossible choice between the threat of terrorists and the lethal embrace of smoke and flames.

 

By Puntid Tantivangphaisal

Caption: Photo courtesy of Bangkok Post

 

Full story: The Thaiger 2023-11-28

 

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[Peabody]

Wanchai's resilience will come in handy as he waits...and waits...and waits for his Sreetha-promised 50K THB.

[dinsdale]

Well I 

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Thai worker’s ordeal began on a seemingly ordinary day near the Ego packaging factory. As rockets rained down, a group of Hamas terrorists descended. What followed was a nightmare: fire, chaos, and an impossible choice between the threat of terrorists and the lethal embrace of smoke and flames.

Sounds like something from a novel or possibly something else. Glad he survived though. Hamas need to be eliminated.

p.s. I notice after all this time the post to like ratio has not been restored.

Edited November 28, 2023 by dinsdale

[WDSmart]

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Hamas need to be eliminated.

So do Zionists... 

[Tug]

Here’s to a speedy recovery I’m sure his family is delighted hopefully life has better things in store for him what a hideous thing to have to experience 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

So do Zionists... 

 

Because?

 

Hamas is a movement with clear goals, and a more or less coherent ideology. Both extreme.

Zionism got many variations - some extreme to the right/religious side, many others moderate. You could safely say most of the people taken hostage by Hamas are Zionists. In most of places they were kidnapped from, moderate political parties are favored.

 

Ignorance is bliss.

[DaddyWarbucks]

Lesson learned...

   Don't sign any contracts to work in or near warzones.

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, DaddyWarbucks said:

Lesson learned...

   Don't sign any contracts to work in or near warzones.

 

Plenty of UN (and similar organizations) working in the Gaza Strip.

What would it mean for the Gaza Strip if they weren't there to begin with?

[WDSmart]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

Above, I (WDSmart) wrote: "So do Zionists" in response to another post - implying that BOTH Hamas and Zionists "need to be eliminated."

Then, Morch replied:

Because?

 

Hamas is a movement with clear goals, and a more or less coherent ideology. Both extreme.

Zionism got many variations - some extreme to the right/religious side, many others moderate. You could safely say most of the people taken hostage by Hamas are Zionists. In most of places they were kidnapped from, moderate political parties are favored.

 

Ignorance is bliss.

 

Zionism is a movement with clear goals and a more or less coherent ideology. Both extreme.

Their goal is to continue to take over Palestine and either remove all non-Jews or isolate them into small, controlled areas like those that already exist in Gaza and the West Bank.

Their ideology is that this land (then called "Canaan") was first given to them by their "God" (Yahweh) thousands of years ago and then again by Britain (who then controlled Palestine) in 1917. (See History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia for details.) The Zionists have used force to gain more and more control over Palestine (now called "Israel") ever since.

Dec 4th is just a continuation of the struggle of the Palestinians to try to regain their state, or at least be recognized as equals in it, and of the Zionists to take it over.

Knowledge is not bliss, and in fact, can be upsetting - but it is necessary for understanding.

Edited November 29, 2023 by WDSmart

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

 

Zionism is a movement with clear goals and a more or less coherent ideology. Both extreme.

Their goal is to continue to take over Palestine and either remove all non-Jews or isolate them into small, controlled areas like those that already exist in Gaza and the West Bank.

Their ideology is that this land (then called "Canaan") was first given to them by their "God" (Yahweh) thousands of years ago and then again by Britain (who then controlled Palestine) in 1917. (See History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia for details.) The Zionists have used force to gain more and more control over Palestine (now called "Israel") ever since.

Dec 4th is just a continuation of the struggle of the Palestinians to try to regain their state, or at least be recognized as equals in it, and of the Zionists to take it over.

Knowledge is not bliss, and in fact, can be upsetting - but it is necessary for understanding.

 

No, that's just a childish contrarian nonsense post.

 

There is no such unity of thought present in Zionism. There are, in fact, Zionist parties and movements supportive of various two-state solutions. You are, either due to ignorance or intention, imply that the extreme elements represent the whole. This is not so.

[WDSmart]

43 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

No, that's just a childish contrarian nonsense post.

 

There is no such unity of thought present in Zionism. There are, in fact, Zionist parties and movements supportive of various two-state solutions. You are, either due to ignorance or intention, imply that the extreme elements represent the whole. This is not so.

Here is Wikipedia's definition of Zionism:

"The common denominator among all Zionists has been a claim to Palestine, a land traditionally known in Jewish writings as the Land of Israel ("Eretz Israel") as a national homeland of the Jews and as the legitimate focus for Jewish national self-determination. It is based on historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel."

It's probably true that not all Zionists want to expel or isolate all non-Jews or want to accomplish the goals above by force, but I associate the most extreme motives of Zionism with the group I call "Zionists." 

Hamas is defined as "...a Palestinian Islamic movement founded in 1987 with the aim of establishing a Palestinian state incorporating present-day Israel and the West Bank." And it is just as probably true that not all those who support Hamas want that done by force, but again, I (and probably you and most everyone else who reads the news) associate the most extreme motives of Hamas with that group as a whole.

That's why I posted what I did way above that began this thread. I basically said, "BOTH Hamas and Zionists should be eliminated." And, by that, I mean I do associate the most extreme motives with both groups. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, WDSmart said:

So do Zionists... 

Nah, I see we have another Hamas apologist here. Hamas as ISIS needs eliminating.

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Here is Wikipedia's definition of Zionism:

"The common denominator among all Zionists has been a claim to Palestine, a land traditionally known in Jewish writings as the Land of Israel ("Eretz Israel") as a national homeland of the Jews and as the legitimate focus for Jewish national self-determination. It is based on historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel."

It's probably true that not all Zionists want to expel or isolate all non-Jews or want to accomplish the goals above by force, but I associate the most extreme motives of Zionism with the group I call "Zionists." 

Hamas is defined as "...a Palestinian Islamic movement founded in 1987 with the aim of establishing a Palestinian state incorporating present-day Israel and the West Bank." And it is just as probably true that not all those who support Hamas want that done by force, but again, I (and probably you and most everyone else who reads the news) associate the most extreme motives of Hamas with that group as a whole.

That's why I posted what I did way above that began this thread. I basically said, "BOTH Hamas and Zionists should be eliminated." And, by that, I mean I do associate the most extreme motives with both groups. 

 

If all you have to fall on is cherry picking stuff from Wikipedia, go back to the 'ignorance is bliss' part.

 

As for 'probably true' - no. It is true. What you 'associate' things with - is not.

 

As for Hamas - again cherry picking. Check out Hamas Charter (both versions) for reference. Or point out to substantial pro-peace Hamas supporter movement.

 

To sum - just the usual, uninformed biased nonsense.

[Morch]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Nah, I see we have another Hamas apologist here. Hamas as ISIS needs eliminating.

 

I don't think Hamas have quite the same global aspirations as IS had.

There were instances were Hamas routed out IS/AQ cells in the Gaza Strip. Guess they didn't like the competition.

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nah, I see we have another Hamas apologist here. Hamas as ISIS needs eliminating.

So are Zionists.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I don't think Hamas have quite the same global aspirations as IS had.

There were instances were Hamas routed out IS/AQ cells in the Gaza Strip. Guess they didn't like the competition.

Hamas in no way have the same goals as ISIS to build a global caliphate, however my reference was in the very public executions, murders, rapes and kidnaps filmed for the world to see on the 7th Oct.

[WDSmart]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

If all you have to fall on is cherry picking stuff from Wikipedia, go back to the 'ignorance is bliss' part.

 

As for 'probably true' - no. It is true. What you 'associate' things with - is not.

 

As for Hamas - again cherry picking. Check out Hamas Charter (both versions) for reference. Or point out to substantial pro-peace Hamas supporter movement.

 

To sum - just the usual, uninformed biased nonsense.

So, quotes from Wikipedia are "uninformed biased nonsense," but both of the two online versions (presumably translated to English) of the "Hamas Charter" are respected references?

The bottom line is BOTH Hamas and Zionists want the same land. They each have their own arguments for this. They BOTH have tried/are trying to enforce their expectations using force. 

And, as I keep suggesting, they BOTH need to be eliminated.   

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

So are Zionists.

There are only one terror group here and they let that known on 7th Oct. You may want to head to one of the multiple topics on this forum regards that. This one is about Thai workers being released from the terrorists

 

https://aseannow.com/forum/432-the-war-in-israel/

[Morch]

20 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

So, quotes from Wikipedia are "uninformed biased nonsense," but both of the two online versions (presumably translated to English) of the "Hamas Charter" are respected references?

The bottom line is BOTH Hamas and Zionists want the same land. They each have their own arguments for this. They BOTH have tried/are trying to enforce their expectations using force. 

And, as I keep suggesting, they BOTH need to be eliminated.   

 

Cherry picked quotes from Wikipedia. I don't think it's hard to understand. Most of the base content relevant to your quotes ultimately relies on translations from Arabic and Hebrew as well - all will essentially refer to documents, ideas and notions in relevant languages. I'm sure you thought you had a 'smart' point there.

 

There is no such equivalence as you falsely suggest. Zionism include many that would accept a compromise, recognize the other side's rights and not adhere to extreme ideas and solutions. If you could demonstrate something similar from Hamas, that would be great. So far, you either cannot or refrain from doing so.

 

You can keep making your inane comment over and over again, doesn't make it less of a nonsense one.

[WDSmart]

10 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You can keep making your inane comment over and over again, doesn't make it less of a nonsense one.

Ditto!

At least we agree on something... 

[Morch]

10 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Ditto!

At least we agree on something... 

 

There is no 'ditto', and we do not agree on anything.

You are trolling, and posting things which are untrue. I'm not.

[WDSmart]

25 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

There is no 'ditto', and we do not agree on anything.

You are trolling, and posting things which are untrue. I'm not.

There is "ditto." We do agree on this one thing - kind of.

There are two definitions of "trolling," according to the the Oxford Language Dictionary. I am "not guilty" of one but "guilty" of the second.

#1 - Trolling is "...to make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them." I plead "not guilty" to this. You are the one who continually posts remarks to my posts that end with some insulting references to me. I did not do that in my counter-remarks until my "Ditto" remark.

#2 - Trolling can also be defined as "carefully and systematically search[ing] an area for something." I plead "guilty" to this. This is exactly what my posts and remarks have been intended to do.

I do not accuse you of posting things that are "untrue," but just based on your opinion from what you've read. I am just doing the same..."ditto."

 

[Morch]

32 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

There is "ditto." We do agree on this one thing - kind of.

There are two definitions of "trolling," according to the the Oxford Language Dictionary. I am "not guilty" of one but "guilty" of the second.

#1 - Trolling is "...to make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them." I plead "not guilty" to this. You are the one who continually posts remarks to my posts that end with some insulting references to me. I did not do that in my counter-remarks until my "Ditto" remark.

#2 - Trolling can also be defined as "carefully and systematically search[ing] an area for something." I plead "guilty" to this. This is exactly what my posts and remarks have been intended to do.

I do not accuse you of posting things that are "untrue," but just based on your opinion from what you've read. I am just doing the same..."ditto."

 

 

There is no agreement between us, and no similarity. You claim something that is untrue, I do not.

Also, you are trolling.

[WDSmart]

47 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

There is no agreement between us, and no similarity. You claim something that is untrue, I do not.

Also, you are trolling.

There is some agreement and some similarity. I claim something I believe is true and so do you.

I am not trolling but you seem to be. Why? Why can't you just accept that some people, like me, have different opinions about certain issues than you, and their opinions are based on things they've read and believe they know? 
That's what I think about you. The only difference between us is you are so certain that what you believe is "true and the ONLY TRUTH!" that you just cannot tolerate someone who disagrees with you.

And, the bottom line is all I have said initially is I believe BOTH Hamas and Zionists (okay, I'll amend that to "extreme, right-wing, violence-advocating Zionists) should be eliminated. I believe what we are seeing right now in Palestine/Israel is the clash of the most extreme factions of these two groups.

I am not antisemitic, but your comments regarding Palestinians and Hamas seem to be. 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by WDSmart

[Morch]

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

There is some agreement and some similarity. I claim something I believe is true and so do you.

I am not trolling but you seem to be. Why? Why can't you just accept that some people, like me, have different opinions about certain issues than you, and their opinions are based on things they've read and believe they know? 
That's what I think about you. The only difference between us is you are so certain that what you believe is "true and the ONLY TRUTH!" that you just cannot tolerate someone who disagrees with you.

And, the bottom line is all I have said initially is I believe BOTH Hamas and Zionists (okay, I'll amend that to "extreme, right-wing, violence-advocating Zionists) should be eliminated. I believe what we are seeing right now in Palestine/Israel is the clash of the most extreme factions of these two groups.

I am not antisemitic, but your comments regarding Palestinians and Hamas seem to be. 

 

 

I am posting about facts. You are posting about thing you 'believe' in, that do not conform to facts. No similarity.

 

Your opinion is not based on fact, yet you present it as such. You want to call that misinformation, being dishonest or trolling - take your pick.

 

I can certainly accept disagreement based on facts, which is not what you offer.

 

You last line is unhinged. I haven't said anything remotely close to that. Guess another instance of trolling.

[Jingthing]

9 hours ago, WDSmart said:

So do Zionists... 

Translation -- you support the extermination of almost all Israeli Jews.

DISGUSTING!

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hamas in no way have the same goals as ISIS to build a global caliphate, however my reference was in the very public executions, murders, rapes and kidnaps filmed for the world to see on the 7th Oct.

Hamas stated goal is to kill all Jews.

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, WDSmart said:

So, quotes from Wikipedia are "uninformed biased nonsense," but both of the two online versions (presumably translated to English) of the "Hamas Charter" are respected references?

The bottom line is BOTH Hamas and Zionists want the same land. They each have their own arguments for this. They BOTH have tried/are trying to enforce their expectations using force. 

And, as I keep suggesting, they BOTH need to be eliminated.   

Total B.S.

Israel has been in the past and would be again open to a negotiated two state solution if the other party they are dealing with accepts the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish majority state and does not insist on massive Arab return to the borders of Israel. 

In fact, that's how Israel was established by the U.N. -- a Jewish side and an Arab side.

The Jews accepted. The Arab world attacked en masse.

Edited November 29, 2023 by Jingthing

[WDSmart]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I am posting about facts. You are posting about thing you 'believe' in, that do not conform to facts. No similarity.

 

Your opinion is not based on fact, yet you present it as such. You want to call that misinformation, being dishonest or trolling - take your pick.

 

I can certainly accept disagreement based on facts, which is not what you offer.

 

You last line is unhinged. I haven't said anything remotely close to that. Guess another instance of trolling.

You are only assuming your "facts" are true. I have also based much of what I posted in this exchange on "facts" that I have read online, and I have even quoted and posted links to them. And, yes, I have added my opinion to them also, but not to the point that I have distorted what I have read (and quoted) to make them "untrue."

I have suggested that many of your comments seem to be antisemitic because they contain a lot of one-sided criticism of Hamas and Palestinians. Of course, I'm sure you think that criticism is warranted and one-sided because that one side is based on what you believe to be "facts," so it is, of course, "true." 

[WDSmart]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Translation -- you support the extermination of almost all Israeli Jews.

DISGUSTING!

No, I my full reference was that I support the elimination of BOTH Hamas and Zionists, NOT all Palestinians and Jews.