Telling someone you're ignoring them -sad.

 

And proof that you're not.

2 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

  On 12/28/2023 at 4:42 PM, Wuvu2 said:

 

Just have a look at the ping pong ball thread. Nuf said.

 

2 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

Besides diehard ping pong fanThaiBeachLover, the most enthusiastic, repeat poster in that thread is YOU. Change of heart?

 

Bob Smith was uncharacteristically silent on this sordid issue, so I popped into to make sure it got covered. 

 

How many people are here strictly for laughs versus for acquiring serious information? Information containing a confirmatory link?

 

I'm reasonably good for the former, and mostly dead useless for the later.

 

I was not at all being critical of the ping-pong ball thread. The "direction of the forum" has only recently become sleazy enough for my taste 

 

"Strictly for laughs?" well yeah, there hasn't been a truly useful post since Ubonjoe passed away.

13 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

Besides diehard ping pong fanThaiBeachLover, the most enthusiastic, repeat poster in that thread is YOU. Change of heart?

 

Bob Smith was uncharacteristically silent on this sordid issue, so I popped into to make sure it got covered. 

 

How many people are here strictly for laughs versus for acquiring serious information? Information containing a confirmatory link?

 

I'm reasonably good for the former, and mostly dead useless for the later.

 

 

I think it's fair to say that a large portion of posters need, but don't really want, an education about Thailand. Example, mentioning anything to do with TAT statistics elicits a Pavlovian response from a stream of posters, all with the same mindless quips....one might be humorous but pages of them! Of course, none of those posters are interested in beginning to understand the role of TAT or where the numbers come from, all they're interested in is making those attacks. Why even be member of AN if that's your sole purpose, it boggles the mind.

2 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

Telling someone you're ignoring them -sad.

 

And proof that you're not.

Disagree. It sends two messages that need to be received, one is that their behaviour perhaps needs some self scrutiny and two, don't waste your time sending messages in the future that wont be received.

A creaky low/zero revenue forum of oldie regulars like this is all but obsolete. I'm grateful for this one. Thanks to whoever keeps the lights on here. 

 

Whatever they want to do or not do is fine by me. I would no more give them advice than I would to General Motors if I don't like my seatbelt.

 

Mike, you're a high value information poster, but def light in the laughs department. It's all about the people mix. I mean all 60 of them, which is my guess of how many people here post more than 6 times a week. Look at the view counts.

On 12/2/2023 at 6:10 AM, Mike Lister said:

Which is why I think there should be a requirement in serious topics to provide links or proof to support any answer, proof from a reliable accepted source.

OK, but a poster doesn't need permission to provide links and/or proof.

Doing so will validate their factual claims.

Is moderation needed to promote this?

I think the best info will be recognized if this is done.

 

5 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

OK, but a poster doesn't need permission to provide links and/or proof.

Doing so will validate their factual claims.

Is moderation needed to promote this?

I think the best info will be recognized if this is done.

 

It comes down to credibility and helps remove the uncertainty that the answers given were wrong. 

 

In fact, shortly after that post above, a moderator pointed out that supportive links are required, it's in the rules but gets ignored at times.

On 12/2/2023 at 6:10 AM, Mike Lister said:

proof from a reliable accepted source.

 

What if the poster has experience and knowledge that makes them a reliable source.🤔

Oh wait, everything on the internet is correct.

 

The whole premise on discussion forums seems to be people arguing.🤔 Even if someone posts the correct answer, another will disagree just because.

6 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 

What if the poster has experience and knowledge that makes them a reliable source.🤔

Oh wait, everything on the internet is correct.

 

The whole premise on discussion forums seems to be people arguing.🤔 Even if someone posts the correct answer, another will disagree just because.

There will be many posters who are a reliable source of information but it takes time to understand who they are and even then, not everyone will know because new people join all the time. The only solution is for the posters to set out their stall and to provide links to support and confirm what they have said, if required.

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Those who overuse the ignore button, how do they cope with people they disagree with in normal life?

They shout, demand respect, call you woke or snowflake and make themselves look stupid.

 

Your in Pattaya, so you must meet this fairly regularly.

32 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

and to provide links to support and confirm what they have said, if required.

 

But links from where? The internet is replete with erroneous information and/or contradictory opinions.🤔 It is just as easy for the person asking the question to take the answer given and look that up on the internet and make their own decision.

Not to mention the answers given by people who wish to reinforce their own decisions and experiences even if they are erroneous or simply personal preference.

 

 

4 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 

But links from where? The internet is replete with erroneous information and/or contradictory opinions.🤔 It is just as easy for the person asking the question to take the answer given and look that up on the internet and make their own decision.

Not to mention the answers given by people who wish to reinforce their own decisions and experiences even if they are erroneous or simply personal preference.

 

 

Or, just do away with debate and interaction completely and put up a big sign saying, go look on the internet yourself!

 

Silly boy :)

 

I think most grown up know what the definition is of a reputable source, give me awhile and I'll give you a form of words that don't include YouTube.

12 minutes ago, Mike Lister said:

I think most grown up know what the definition is of a reputable source,

 

Yes, I have been paid good money in my chosen, or fell into, profession for being a "reliable source". And yes some of the opinions on here make me cringe. But also many question posers could find their own reliable sources with a bit of work but they don't want to put the time in.

Some people will put the time in and all they need is a nudge towards using the correct terminology to frame a question. But they are in the minority.

 

My favourite TV/AN question of all time is "Where can I buy shoelaces in Tak?"

 

I think AN is OK for me as I simply use it for entertainment but if I can nudge someone in the right direction I will. 

46 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

They shout, demand respect, call you woke or snowflake and make themselves look stupid.

 

Your in Pattaya, so you must meet this fairly regularly.

i would expect them not to be able to handle disagreement in real life also

4 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

i would expect them not to be able to handle disagreement in real life also

Fully agree, but they can never accept they are wrong.

OP seems to be very well-informed about the forum history, although he pretend to have only joined 2 months ago

11 minutes ago, BenStark said:

OP seems to be very well-informed about the forum history, although he pretend to have only joined 2 months ago

You have never needed to be a member of a forum to know about its history. However you DO need to be a member, of this forum anyway, to respond to other posts and posters.

1 hour ago, BenStark said:

OP seems to be very well-informed about the forum history, although he pretend to have only joined 2 months ago

The OP has never pretended anything, he has been a member of the forum since 2007, on and off, under different names, and has made no secret of that fact, as you well know. So, sorry, your attempts to make mischief will not work! 

1 hour ago, VocalNeal said:

 

Yes, I have been paid good money in my chosen, or fell into, profession for being a "reliable source". And yes some of the opinions on here make me cringe. But also many question posers could find their own reliable sources with a bit of work but they don't want to put the time in.

Some people will put the time in and all they need is a nudge towards using the correct terminology to frame a question. But they are in the minority.

 

My favourite TV/AN question of all time is "Where can I buy shoelaces in Tak?"

 

I think AN is OK for me as I simply use it for entertainment but if I can nudge someone in the right direction I will. 

So, er, where do you buy shoe laces in Tak, you know, just in case I need to buy some one day?

On 12/5/2023 at 1:07 PM, billd766 said:

I haven't even bothered to look at that sub-forum because I supported, and still do, the Palestinian people but not Hamas. I am a supporter of oppressed people everywhere, and not a supporter of terrorism which is what several posters accused me of.

 

I don't even try to argue or fight ignorance and bias anymore. Those posters are not worth wasting my time on.

 

Indeed. I have to struggle with mine every day, but are able to blissfully ignore yours...

1 hour ago, Mike Lister said:

So, er, where do you buy shoe laces in Tak, you know, just in case I need to buy some one day?

 

I guess from a shoe shop or a sport equipment shop or, or, or. You would have to go for a walk in Tak. 🤔

https://www.google.com/maps/search/Shoe+shop+Tak/@16.8754798,99.109897,13z?entry=ttu

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Indeed. I have to struggle with mine every day, but are able to blissfully ignore yours...

Really??

 

But you answered this post.

3 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

 

I guess from a shoe shop or a sport equipment shop or, or, or. You would have to go for a walk in Tak. 🤔

https://www.google.com/maps/search/Shoe+shop+Tak/@16.8754798,99.109897,13z?entry=ttu

If the shopping mall is still there, perhaps BigC has them in their sports department.

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Really??

Indeed

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

But you answered this post.

Not until now

20 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

The number of people on an ignore list is relative to that posters willingness to tolerate nonsense. It doesn't make them bitter, just unwilling to put up with trolling and stupidity.

Well said.

 

I don't see the poster you replied to ( I can only see their posts if quoted by someone not on ignore ) because he was personally insulting. I don't come on here to be insulted and I don't have to put up with their nonsense.

If some posters don't like it they shouldn't post insults, such as Not those bitter posters, that failed in Thailand. I assume he is referring to me, and he is still posting insults, LOL.

 

When he say "and now post 20 or 30 posts daily from afar" one has to wonder just what is the problem? Is it that I post too many times, or that I don't see his insults?

 

Then he goes on in a different post to say

The poster I was talking about use ignore as he does not like facts, can never back up his claims, lacks critical thinking to debate the issues and feels he wins if he does not see the negative/opposition comments. which is rather ironic, LOL.

It's exactly that sort of nonsense that had me put him on ignore. Seems some think that we are forced to see their abuse, or we are not being fair to them or something.

If there is a problem on this forum, IMO it's too many posters that resort to personal insults rather than debate the topic. Many don't even put anything about the topic at all, in their personal attack posts.

17 hours ago, cdemundo said:

OK, but a poster doesn't need permission to provide links and/or proof.

Doing so will validate their factual claims.

Is moderation needed to promote this?

I think the best info will be recognized if this is done.

 

I find that the rule that a claim of a factual nature needs a link is of use when someone makes a statement that should be indicated is an opinion but is just some nasty post eg "***** is an egomaniac", which is obviously an opinion but stated as a fact. In such cases I will ask for a link, though had they included "IMO" proof would not be required. I only do so for posts that are just nasty, and add nothing to the conversation.

18 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

Disagree. It sends two messages that need to be received, one is that their behaviour perhaps needs some self scrutiny and two, don't waste your time sending messages in the future that wont be received.

Excellent response, and oh so true.

 

Besides, if we just put them on ignore without saying anything they will just waste pixels on insults. If they know their insults won't be seen they likely won't waste everybody's time posting them.

18 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Those who overuse the ignore button, how do they cope with people they disagree with in normal life?

1/ How do you know if anyone is "overusing the ignore button" when no one else knows how many posters are on ignore?

 

2/ As someone that does have a few on ignore, I only put them on ignore for personal insults, not because I disagree with them, and it has to be a frequent occurrence, not just a one time incident.

 

There are many posters that disagree with me but not on ignore, as they don't resort to personal insults, and debate the topic, not the poster.

It's not like it's hard to post politely, as most on here do.

18 hours ago, Mike Lister said:

Example, mentioning anything to do with TAT statistics elicits a Pavlovian response from a stream of posters, all with the same mindless quips....one might be humorous but pages of them!

Speaking of "Pavlovian responses" I don't see any posts about child molesters in LOS or such like because I don't often go on the Thai news subforum anymore, but when I did, I learned not to read any of them because the inventive ways of torturing the suspects ( not needing to even be convicted ) were somewhat disturbing and I had not realised just how hateful some posters can be. It wasn't just a couple of posters, but entire pages of hateful ranting. Pavlovian indeed.

On 12/2/2023 at 12:07 PM, Mike Lister said:

What I think is not good is when somebody comes along who wants a serious answer to a serious question

I hope that you don't expect a serious answer on the Pub subforum. I come on here hoping for a bit of a chat, and hopefully a bit of a laugh if I'm lucky, not for a serious conversation. It is after all "The Pub" not the DIY subforum.

There are plenty of specialist subforums to ask serious questions on such as "where can I find a decent pizza".

The "shoelaces in Tak" question should be asked on the regional subforum, not on the "Pub".