Pattaya visa scam leaves hundreds of tourists out of pocket and overstaying

[Kinok Farang]

4 hours ago, Celsius said:

 

This.

 

If you could not save ten times that amount working in the first world country, you have no business being in Thailand.

 

What a selfish idiotic thing to say.

[Celsius]

9 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

What a selfish idiotic thing to say.

 

See ya at GoFundMe

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

On 12/20/2023 at 5:43 PM, smedly said:

most of them have no choice as they cannot meet the financial requirements for a 12 month extension or refuse to

Some of the financial rules are difficult for some to adhere to. Not everyone has a private "pension" that pays a regular amount every month or every year (like dividend paymnets) but might otherwise meet all the criteria. Money in a Thai bank not making innterest is another consideration just as is  land-property ownership. Living long term here is not going to be easy with new taxation on all money from overseas and health insurance for the over 65s could simply make moving elsewhere in SE Asia the only option.

 

[Kinok Farang]

28 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

See ya at GoFundMe

How do you shave when it must be impossible to look at yourself in the mirror?

Mr I'm Alright Jack.

[oslooskar]

On 12/19/2023 at 10:23 PM, JimTripper said:

Learn to do things yourself. Don't use an agent for anything here. It's just blokes off the street doing things you could do on your own.

I could do my own taxes every year, but instead of pulling my hair out and going stark raving mad, I hire a professional to do my taxes for me. Hence, some of us just don't like dealing with government bureaucracies and we're willing to pay agents to do it for us.

[jacko45k]

17 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Sure, I'm aware of that.🥴

But Christmas is also the time to hope for better times. Therefore I expressed my feelings.🧑‍🎄

Immigration hope for better times too, more money next year!

[smedly]

9 hours ago, oslooskar said:

I could do my own taxes every year, but instead of pulling my hair out and going stark raving mad, I hire a professional to do my taxes for me. Hence, some of us just don't like dealing with government bureaucracies and we're willing to pay agents to do it for us.

taxes can be quite complicated - applying for a 12 month extension is not

[JimTripper]

9 hours ago, oslooskar said:

I could do my own taxes every year, but instead of pulling my hair out and going stark raving mad, I hire a professional to do my taxes for me. Hence, some of us just don't like dealing with government bureaucracies and we're willing to pay agents to do it for us.

Of course you "could".

 

 

[mokwit]

3 hours ago, smedly said:

taxes can be quite complicated - applying for a 12 month extension is not

Yes, but they could make it so with a tax compliance requirement.

[oslooskar]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

taxes can be quite complicated - applying for a 12 month extension is not

Applying for a visa extension is easy, getting it is an entirely different matter. So, do try to bear in mind that getting an extension for some individuals, with different situations than your own, might be far more complicated without an agent.

[oslooskar]

5 hours ago, JimTripper said:

Of course you "could".

I agree! So, it's really a matter of personal choice. I could be a cheapskate and do them myself, or I could spare myself the aggravation and hire a professional to do my taxes for me.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 12/20/2023 at 2:10 PM, Joe Farang said:

Yes, all these foreign criminals attempting to circumvent the Visa process should be deported and never let return.

You are spot on.

It's a pity you're not "spot on".  It is not a crime for a foreigner to use the services of a visa agent.

Edited December 22, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[JimTripper]

40 minutes ago, oslooskar said:

I agree! So, it's really a matter of personal choice. I could be a cheapskate and do them myself, or I could spare myself the aggravation and hire a professional to do my taxes for me.

You're aggravated because you can't do it, or are afraid to try because you might make a mistake.

 

I had a neighbor who kept paying someone to do his laundry. The truth was that he did not like doing it because he did not know how. There was also an ego issue, he felt like it was beneath him to do his own laundry.

 

I used to hang up my laundry in the garden to dry, something I enjoy doing, and he got pissed off and complained to the landlord. He did not even want to someone else doing it themselves.

Edited December 22, 2023 by JimTripper

[oslooskar]

1 hour ago, JimTripper said:

You're aggravated because you can't do it, or are afraid to try because you might make a mistake.

 

I had a neighbor who kept paying someone to do his laundry. The truth was that he did not like doing it because he did not know how. There was also an ego issue, he felt like it was beneath him to do his own laundry.

 

I used to hang up my laundry in the garden to dry, something I enjoy doing, and he got pissed off and complained to the landlord. He did not even want to someone else doing it themselves.

On the contrary, the only one here who is aggravated is you. After all, you're obviously very concerned with what I do, whereas, I am not the least bit concerned with what you do.

[oslooskar]

On 12/19/2023 at 11:10 PM, Joe Farang said:

Yes, all these foreign criminals attempting to circumvent the Visa process should be deported and never let return.

You are spot on.

If you are alleging that foreigners who use visa agents are criminals, then please present some evidence that corroborates such an allegation.

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, oslooskar said:

If you are alleging that foreigners who use visa agents are criminals, then please present some evidence that corroborates such an allegation.

I have used either my lawyer or an agent to organise my totally legal visas for over 20 years up here in CM.  At one time you had to either arrive at the IO (Prom) before 5AM or hire a seat sitter and you might get finished by 3/4 PM if they did not find some "missing paper".  I believe it has improved now that they have moved back to the main IO but I still have better use of my time etc!

 

Sorry but I currently pay 7500baht/year (which includes 90 day reports) to only spend 5 minutes (max) in the CM IO getting my Photo taken and passport back!

Money bloody well spent IMO, even as a Scotsman!

I can spend all that otherwise wasted time and worry in the bar not worrying!

[Joe Farang]

4 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It's a pity you're not "spot on".  It is not a crime for a foreigner to use the services of a visa agent.

I never said it was

[oslooskar]

1 hour ago, Joe Farang said:

I never said it was

 

You wrote, "Yes, all these foreign criminals attempting to circumvent the Visa process should be deported and never let return.

You are spot on."

[EVENKEEL]

On 12/21/2023 at 10:34 AM, bbi1 said:

You don't know agents help do the dodgy dodgy for old farts who don't have 800k in the bank and "help" then with this legal requirement for a big fee?

Why do you care?

[EVENKEEL]

It's always good fun reading posts from the old farts who were stupid enough to park money in Thailand when a mere 13,000 baht gets my legal extension done for me. Ahahaaaa

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's always good fun reading posts from the old farts who were stupid enough to park money in Thailand when a mere 13,000 baht gets my legal extension done for me. Ahahaaaa

It's always good fun reading posts from the old farts who were stupid enough to park money in Thailand when a mere 13,000 baht gets my legal ILEGAL extension done for me. Ahahaaaa

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Joe Farang said:

8 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It's a pity you're not "spot on".  It is not a crime for a foreigner to use the services of a visa agent.

I never said it was

You clearly implied that it is a crime as none of those foreigners in the OP were alleged to be criminals.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, scottiejohn said:

It's always good fun reading posts from the old farts who were stupid enough to park money in Thailand when a mere 13,000 baht gets my legal ILEGAL extension done for me. Ahahaaaa

No, agent-assisted visas/extensions, issued by IOs, are not illegal extensions.

[proton]

9 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

It's always good fun reading posts from the old farts who were stupid enough to park money in Thailand when a mere 13,000 baht gets my legal extension done for me. Ahahaaaa

If said extension is form.a province you dont live in it's not legal, bribery is also illegal

[jacko45k]

On 12/21/2023 at 10:34 AM, bbi1 said:

You don't know agents help do the dodgy dodgy for old farts who don't have 800k in the bank and "help" then with this legal requirement for a big fee?

You only need to be over 50, so not necessarily such an old fart. 

From those I know I would say the more elderly do have the money and it is the younger 'retirees' who seem to have an aversion to depositing the cash locally. Some seem not to trust local banks and prefer to spend a substantial sum to bypass the requirement.... always struck me as surprising to spend so much if short of cash. 

[Celsius]

On 12/21/2023 at 10:29 PM, oslooskar said:

I could do my own taxes every year, but instead of pulling my hair out and going stark raving mad, I hire a professional to do my taxes for me. Hence, some of us just don't like dealing with government bureaucracies and we're willing to pay agents to do it for us.

 

That is another idiotic thing to do. I do my own taxes better than the accountant. The number of times these tools screw up the numbers and then you have to pay penalties is amazing.

 

The only reason why i do not do my taxes now is because as non resident I am not allowed to.

[oslooskar]

53 minutes ago, Celsius said:

That is another idiotic thing to do. I do my own taxes better than the accountant. The number of times these tools screw up the numbers and then you have to pay penalties is amazing.

What is idiotic is the fact, as per your own admission, that you continued to hire incompetent individuals to handle your taxes, and they consistently made errors, leading to penalties. In my own case, my accountant has never made mistakes, and I have never had to pay any penalties. After all, I am very careful about whom I choose to hire.

[Joe Farang]

15 hours ago, oslooskar said:

 

You wrote, "Yes, all these foreign criminals attempting to circumvent the Visa process should be deported and never let return.

You are spot on."

Try looking up the definition of "circumvent"

[Joe Farang]

13 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You clearly implied that it is a crime as none of those foreigners in the OP were alleged to be criminals.

Look up the definition of "circumvent" Lou

[Liverpool Lou]

45 minutes ago, Joe Farang said:

13 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You clearly implied that it is a crime as none of those foreigners in the OP were alleged to be criminals.

Look up the definition of "circumvent" Lou

I know what "circumvent" means and I see that you are still suggesting that those foreigners using that agency were "criminal foreigners".  Perhaps you should check the meaning of the word "criminal" in this context and, at the same time, check whether the use of an agent by a foreigner to expedite a legitimate visa/extension is a crime.