Dismiss "Wokeness" - Stop doing business with people who hate you and your traditional values

[BigStar]

2 hours ago, retarius said:

They have changed the definition of racism from being someone who acts and speaks in a racist manner, to someone who is merely white and acts in a totally impartial manner.

 

Nope, the woke fascists have changed that definition merely to mean anyone who disagrees with them--and should accordingly be cancelled.

 

[Sunmaster]

Haven't read the article.
I despise wokeness, at least what it has become in recent years, which is nothing but another, more subtle form of fascism. In Spiral Dynamics terms, the woke "culture" is a unhealthy, distorted form of the Green meme. The Green meme is a developmental stage in humans and societies that has a specific set of values: community, equality, idealism, & empathy, femininity and sensitivity. Nothing wrong with them in principle. The problem is that these values are used by the wokies like weapons on all others who have different values, or even slightly different. That's when people get fired from their jobs for thinking differently, get cancelled for harmless jokes, get harassed for refusing to submit to the pronoun BS and so on.
Another issue is that very few have the insight, awareness and courage to respond to the woke assaults. After all, they are fighting for equality, right? If you are against that, you must be a racist, a misogynist, a toxic white supremacist, a nazi, just a horrible, horrible human being. Right? Most prefer not to stand out as the anti-woke for fear of retaliation. They prefer to sit quiet or even support the cause, without even understanding the dynamics. And so the BS propagates even more, as it has been spreading in the past few years.

I, for one, can't wait for this nonsense to stop. Hopefully, the wokies will mature enough to see the error of their ways and grow up to become stable and truly INCLUSIVE human beings, because as it is now, there is nothing inclusive in their approach.

[Red Phoenix]

8 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Haven't read the article.
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Thanks for your response, Sunmaster.  Succinct as always.

But may I  suggest to read the short article/opinion piece, as it not also makes the case against this 'wokeness' BS, but also mentions some options and opportunities to counter and cancel the so-called woke “mind virus” that’s plaguing the US and - luckily to a lesser degree - also other countries.

Source: https://www.theepochtimes.com/opinion/2024-the-year-to-cancel-wokeness-in-america-5554997

 

[retarius]

23 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Nope, the woke fascists have changed that definition merely to mean anyone who disagrees with them--and should accordingly be cancelled.

 

You are correct, and I stand corrected. Ozimoron is a perfect example.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

So if I decide not to hire any blacks because they statistically have more problems with the law, that's not racism?  Judging a person by the color of their skin is racism. Has nothing to do with hate.  But I'd still get sued (and rightfully so) for $$$ millions, for racism. 

 

If a person chooses (or excludes) a romantic partner based on race, that's racism.  

 

 

First sentence is racism. Second sentence is baby talk.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Celsius said:

Go woke or go broke 

Or simply ignore woke people. If woke people wish to talk or do business with me, accept me as I am, NOT what YOU want me to be.

 

If that is unacceptable to you, the problem is yours and not mine.

 

I will only change me if I want to, not because YOU want me to.

 

The is nothing personal in my response to you.

 

I am merely replying to your post.

[retarius]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

 

The mere use of the term racism in non academic social discourse to insult is racist. Only racists do it. In every context it's used there is at least a racist undercurrent and at worst, explicit racism.

BS. Answer my question and stop obfuscating . 

[Celsius]

Just now, billd766 said:

Or simply ignore woke people. If woke people wish to talk or do business with me, accept me as I am, NOT what YOU want me to be.

 

If that is unacceptable to you, the problem is yours and not mine.

 

I will only change me if I want to, not because YOU want me to.

 

The is nothing personal in my response to you.

 

I am merely replying to your post.

 

And I was merely joking 

[retarius]

My answer to woke is to tell them too grow a thicker skin. "People", in the words of the prophet, "are too damned sensitive"  (Eminem). 

[retarius]

28 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Haven't read the article.
I despise wokeness, at least what it has become in recent years, which is nothing but another, more subtle form of fascism. In Spiral Dynamics terms, the woke "culture" is a unhealthy, distorted form of the Green meme. The Green meme is a developmental stage in humans and societies that has a specific set of values: community, equality, idealism, & empathy, femininity and sensitivity. Nothing wrong with them in principle. The problem is that these values are used by the wokies like weapons on all others who have different values, or even slightly different. That's when people get fired from their jobs for thinking differently, get cancelled for harmless jokes, get harassed for refusing to submit to the pronoun BS and so on.
Another issue is that very few have the insight, awareness and courage to respond to the woke assaults. After all, they are fighting for equality, right? If you are against that, you must be a racist, a misogynist, a toxic white supremacist, a nazi, just a horrible, horrible human being. Right? Most prefer not to stand out as the anti-woke for fear of retaliation. They prefer to sit quiet or even support the cause, without even understanding the dynamics. And so the BS propagates even more, as it has been spreading in the past few years.

I, for one, can't wait for this nonsense to stop. Hopefully, the wokies will mature enough to see the error of their ways and grow up to become stable and truly INCLUSIVE human beings, because as it is now, there is nothing inclusive in their approach.

Excellent post, thank you. Personally I have no problem acknowledging I am anti-woke.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, retarius said:

My answer to woke is to tell them too grow a thicker skin. "People", in the words of the prophet, "are too damned sensitive"  (Eminem). 

 

Why would someone take offense unless the words were offensive? Are you defending people's right to be offensive? Usually that means hate speech. It's legal but it's the domain of scum.

[Brickleberry]

I wouldn't stop doing business with anyone. I couldn't care less what your 'values' are, or the lack of them. Just give me your money.....

[retarius]

11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Why would someone take offense unless the words were offensive? Are you defending people's right to be offensive? Usually that means hate speech. It's legal but it's the domain of scum.

As a SCOTUS judge once said, 'what is free speech without the right to offend?'

You have been offensive on these pages to me implying I am a racist when you don't even know me. You were then cowardly and mealy mouthed when I called you on it and aske you directly. I am not offended by this cowardly behaviour because I have normal skin depth and am not a snowflake, quivering at any hinted offence. As they said when I was a child "sticks and stones my break my bones, but words will never hurt me." So my advice to you is to grow up and act like an adult man or woman or whatever gender you are.

[Sunmaster]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Why would someone take offense unless the words were offensive?

This doesn't make any sense.
One tells a joke. Person A hears the joke and laughs. Person B hears the joke and is offended (for whatever reason).
The joke was not intrinsically offensive, or both would have been offended.
The only other variable is the sensitivity of person B. 

This is where wokeness (and you it seems) gets it all wrong. It assumes that because one person (or a small group) is offended, the source MUST be the culprit and MUST be eliminated at all costs, in order to eliminate the hurt of the offended person and "save" society from more hurt feelings. But by doing so it deprives all others from making the choice for themselves.
How about person B has a good look at himself and tries to solve his own issues instead of controlling what others say or think or believe?

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, retarius said:

As a SCOTUS judge once said, 'what is free speech without the right to offend?'

You have been offensive on these pages to me implying I am a racist when you don't even know me. You were then cowardly and mealy mouthed when I called you on it and aske you directly. I am not offended by this cowardly behaviour because I have normal skin depth and am not a snowflake, quivering at any hinted offence. As they said when I was a child "sticks and stones my break my bones, but words will never hurt me." So my advice to you is to grow up and act like an adult man or woman or whatever gender you are.

 

Can we just get clear on this? I'm not interested in a debate about whether the first amendment should be amended to exclude hate speech. I'm asking if you defend those who engage in hate speech?

 

Antisemitism is hate speech. Is that protected under the first amendment? If so, why all the fuss about Claudine Gay?

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, freeworld said:

Wokeness is a concept for all the young disadvantaged in the world who have access to social media and who are trying to get their voices and opinions heard whilst they cry out in pain at all the injustices they endure.

Yeah, lower the price of ecstasy.

[Sunmaster]

33 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

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Thanks for your response, Sunmaster.  Succinct as always.

But may I  suggest to read the short article/opinion piece, as it not also makes the case against this 'wokeness' BS, but also mentions some options and opportunities to counter and cancel the so-called woke “mind virus” that’s plaguing the US and - luckily to a lesser degree - also other countries.

Source: https://www.theepochtimes.com/opinion/2024-the-year-to-cancel-wokeness-in-america-5554997

 

Ok, read it and found it so-so.
For one, it bothers me that whenever Americans try to demonize something, they lable it "communist". But whatever.

Edit: It bothers me, yet it doesn't offend me. See, how easy it is?

Edited January 4 by Sunmaster

[Bday Prang]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Racists don't get to change the dictionary

I knew it wouldn't be long for you to give us your "woke 10 bahts worth

Racists ,indeed,do not get to change the dictionary but the wokies make a full time job of it

 

The words Bigot, Racist, Fascist, and Nazi for example have been changed by you and those  like you, to describe anybody who's ideas do not align perfectly with your own.  To the extent that it is insulting to those people who  genuinely suffered at the hands of genuine  examples

[Bday Prang]

25 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

It's legal but it's the domain of scum

Scum,  would that be an offensive word ?     Not if directed at those who don't agree with you it would appear

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I knew it wouldn't be long for you to give us your "woke 10 bahts worth

Racists ,indeed,do not get to change the dictionary but the wokies make a full time job of it

 

The words Bigot, Racist, Fascist, and Nazi for example have been changed by you and those  like you, to describe anybody who's ideas do not align perfectly with your own.  To the extent that it is insulting to those people who  genuinely suffered at the hands of genuine  examples

 

You're lying. I have never used the words you mention out of their dictionary context.

[JonnyF]

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Let's start at the beginning. Woke means understanding racial inequality. Emphasis on understanding.

 

You mean agreeing with their definition of racial inequality. Which basically says all white people are racist and non whites cannot be racist. Oh, and Jew bashing, let's not forget the Jew bashing.

 

Of course most Wokies believe discriminating against Jews is not racism. Some even refuse to condemn it. Like Claudine Gay and Liz Magill. 

 

 

[Bday Prang]

31 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Why would someone take offense unless the words were offensive? Are you defending people's right to be offensive? Usually that means hate speech. It's legal but it's the domain of scum.

People take advice for all sorts of reasons, they can even make money out of it these days,  You are denying peoples' rights to even discuss certain topics   illegal immigration being a perfect example ,   anybody with concerns must be a racist,  the same with anybody concerned about gender identity being forced upon young children , they just have to be homo or trans phobic don't they.  Like most of these woke holier than thou sorts. I consider your morals to be questionable to say the least

[Bday Prang]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

You're lying. I have never used the words you mention out of their dictionary context.

of course you haven't    however you have chosen a strange thread to argue your case and seek approval for your virtue signalling today

[Bday Prang]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

You mean agreeing with their definition of racial inequality. Which basically says all white people are racist and non whites cannot be racist. Oh, and Jew bashing, let's not forget the Jew bashing.

 

Of course most Wokies believe discriminating against Jews is not racism. Some even refuse to condemn it. Like Claudine Gay and Liz Magill. 

 

 

And the BBC  and the uk Labour party  the list is endless

[Bday Prang]

25 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Can we just get clear on this? I'm not interested in a debate

exactly  couldn't put it better myself, 

 Throwing insults ending in "ist" or "phobe" are purely intended to sully the names and legitimate values of others, with the sole intention of ending any meaningful or logical discussion.

[Bday Prang]

50 minutes ago, retarius said:

Excellent post, thank you. Personally I have no problem acknowledging I am anti-woke.

I once suspected you were woke, admittedly based on flimsy evidence,.  I have no hesitation in admitting I was wrong and I apologise unreservedly

[ozimoron]

12 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

People take advice for all sorts of reasons, they can even make money out of it these days,  You are denying peoples' rights to even discuss certain topics   illegal immigration being a perfect example ,   anybody with concerns must be a racist,  the same with anybody concerned about gender identity being forced upon young children , they just have to be homo or trans phobic don't they.  Like most of these woke holier than thou sorts. I consider your morals to be questionable to say the least

 

Anybody with concerns about illegal immigration is not racist. This is why the left hate the wingnuts so much. The filth in our society want to project these negative stereotypes on and dehumanize their political adversaries.

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Anybody with concerns about illegal immigration is not racist. This is why the left hate the wingnuts so much. The filth in our society want to project these negative stereotypes on and dehumanize their political adversaries.

"Filth"   another one 

[beautifulthailand99]

Thank God for Trump and Putin for keeping the woke gremlins at bay.

 

 

[Sunmaster]

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

"Filth"   another one 

Yes...sooo inclusive....