Can i keep my family in home country from knowing if i die?

[Pouatchee]

Sorry dor another morbid topic on death.

My life and wife are here now for over 20 years.

My family is estranged. I dont want them to know if i pass. Personal reasons... 

Can i instruct my wife to keep my passing from my family back home im my last will and testament?

 

Will the embassy "canuck" respect my dying wishes?

Edited January 15 by Pouatchee

[brianthainess]

No chance, you embassy will inform them.

[Pouatchee]

10 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

No chance, you embassy will inform them.

So no consideration for my last will

Obvious

Dont get in life why get it in death

Thanks

[simple1]

OP: Why not ask the Canadian Embassy? One would think if your Will is legal in Thailand and Embassy was informed in a timely manner, Embassy would have to comply to your instructions.

[sirineou]

Of course they have to be informed , how else could they exercise any interest they might have in your estate? 

[Trippy]

22 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

No chance, you embassy will inform them.

Why do you say that, he already has a wife, as long as she takes care of the final arrangements nobody else needs to be informed.

[Liverpool Lou]

24 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

No chance, you embassy will inform them.

If they know who they are, and how to find the estranged family. 

[Liverpool Lou]

2 minutes ago, Trippy said:

26 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

No chance, you embassy will inform them.

Why do you say that, he already has a wife, as long as she takes care of the final arrangements nobody else needs to be informed.

The police have to be informed of the death of a foreigner who then, as a matter of course, advise their embassy.

[Liverpool Lou]

43 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

Can i instruct my wife to keep my passing from my family back home im my last will and testament?

Of course, you could but you couldn't enforce it if she decided to tell them.

[John Drake]

Depends on if the death is reported to the embassy in the first place, doesn't it?

[Pouatchee]

16 minutes ago, simple1 said:

OP: Why not ask the Canadian Embassy? One would think if your Will is legal in Thailand and Embassy was informed in a timely manner, Embassy would have to comply to your instructions.

 

8 minutes ago, Trippy said:

Why do you say that, he already has a wife, as long as she takes care of the final arrangements nobody else needs to be informed.

well guys, thanks a lot. i actually have no estate in canada. the only things i had were in a container that was emptied by someone who claimed to be a friend who soon appropriated my things knowing full well i cant do anything from thailand. other than that only thing to take care of is the balance on my credit card and my wife can take care of that with the money i have saved for retirement visa.

 

cheers all 

[Trippy]

6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The police have to be informed of the death of a foreigner who then, as a matter of course, advise their embassy.

Yes but that's just a formality because he has a wife. Embassy doesn't do anything they're not legally bound to do.

[KannikaP]

20 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Of course they have to be informed , how else could they exercise any interest they might have in your estate? 

They do not have any interest in the OPs estate if he does not put it in his will.

[FritsSikkink]

16 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Depends on if the death is reported to the embassy in the first place, doesn't it?

Police always will do so.

[Liverpool Lou]

16 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Depends on if the death is reported to the embassy in the first place, doesn't it?

It has to be.

[impulse]

12 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

34 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Of course they have to be informed , how else could they exercise any interest they might have in your estate? 

They do not have any interest in the OPs estate if he does not put it in his will.

 

Circling back on that, how do they know they have no interest in the will if they don't know he died and have an opportunity to see the will.  Or even if they just hear from an attorney that there's nothing in it for them? 

 

And regardless of what you may believe you have "back home", it's almost impossible to leave without something being unfinished.  For which the family will be contacted.

 

[Liverpool Lou]

17 minutes ago, Trippy said:

26 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The police have to be informed of the death of a foreigner who then, as a matter of course, advise their embassy.

Yes but that's just a formality because he has a wife. Embassy doesn't do anything they're not legally bound to do.

It is not just a "formality" and his having a wife isn't relevant to the embassy being advised.  All foreign deaths have to be reported to the police who then, always, inform the embassy who then advise any located family.  

[KhunLA]

30 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Depends on if the death is reported to the embassy in the first place, doesn't it?

I'm pretty sure that's mandatory for the police to report to.   Of course the Embassy will inform the gov't pension department of said country,  (if USA / Soc Sec/IRS) to stop payment & collect taxes.

 

If have wife & will, I think notifying the immediate family would be satisfied with the wife.  Make sure your embassy has contact info (next of kin) of person to be contacted. 

Edited January 15 by KhunLA

[grain]

Foreigner deaths in Thailand are always reported to the embassy, this is a requirement when foreigners receive pensions, so the gov is notified and the pension terminated. If they also have contact numbers and addresses for NOK then they will notify. 

[John Drake]

17 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Police always will do so.

 

Do hospitals do so? What if someone dies in a hospital. Do doctors inform the embassy?

[Negita43]

I think I read somewhere on ASEAN that you can specify a next of kin.

However, I tend to agree with others that the all seeing, overbearing, "we make the rules about your life and death not you" governments of the "developed nations" don't give a monkey's about what you want whether you are alive or dead.

[proton]

1 hour ago, brianthainess said:

No chance, you embassy will inform them.

 

Not if the buggers all die first, nobody at home they could contact for me

[CharlieKo]

17 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Do hospitals do so? What if someone dies in a hospital. Do doctors inform the embassy?

The hospital inform the police, who inform the embassy.

[CharlieKo]

1 hour ago, Pouatchee said:

My family is estranged. I dont want them to know if i pass. Personal reasons... 

If you are worried that your estranged family might try to get their hands on your estate here in Thailand. Make sure you have a will leaving everything to your wife. 

[Captain Monday]

Simple.

 

Never die officially, or allow yourself to be reported missing.

 

[grain]

32 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Do hospitals do so? What if someone dies in a hospital. Do doctors inform the embassy?

Yes it's law, in most cases the foreigner (a tourist) doesn't have a NOK in Thailand so the hospital wants the embassy to come and take the body away. In the case of the foreigner being legally married to a Thai and having a NOK to take care of the funeral, it's still law to notify the foreign embassy. 

[FruitPudding]

1 hour ago, KannikaP said:

They do not have any interest in the OPs estate if he does not put it in his will.

 

You can contest a will

[Pouatchee]

26 minutes ago, CharlieKo said:

If you are worried that your estranged family might try to get their hands on your estate here in Thailand. Make sure you have a will leaving everything to your wife. 

 

my family doesnt need my estate... they have plenty already. i just dont want to have anything to do with them be it in life or death.

wife has been instructed that in case of my demise she is to immediately transfer all my savings to her bank...

[Pouatchee]

2 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

You can contest a will

 

not in quebec, canada... napoleon law or something or other

[The Fugitive]

Don't know anything about Canadian public records but in U.K. the Births and Death index are available to anyone. If a British Citizen dies abroad the death is registered in the country of death. It is not required (but can be done optionally) to register the death in U.K. also. Preventing your family from being aware of your death if it was registered in Canadian public records might not be possible?  

Edited January 15 by The Fugitive
Grammatical error.