We've all had a laugh on JD's thread on the Glasgow terrorist f*ckup.

What is interesting is the Indian guy who was arrested in Auatralia.

His crime ? "recklessly assisting terrorists".

What did he do ? He left a SIM card with a friend/colleague on leaving the UK.

I find this disturbing.

What do you think ?

It's the New World Order

It used to be the Cold War and Communism. Now its the "War On Terror" that keeps the sheep worried and flocking to the shepherd.

Seems like the more that technology advances, the more stupid people become...

Anyone with any connection no matter how slim to an actual act of terror should be subject to immediate arrest.

Terrorist cells are becoming more and more sophisticated and learn from their mistakes. There are cut-offs between every level of a " cell " and such a thing as the innocuous Sim card may be the mistake which leads to the next level up in the b#$%^tds organization.

Traumatic if your innocent. However, arrest is a long way from charging or imprisonment in any civilized society ( USA excepted ). A cops apology may be worth very little to the Indian gentleman concerned. But surely it is better to apologise to one guy rather than to the families of the victims of the next attack, if the guy had made a mistake and was in reality a player in their next sick round of child butchery.

Speaking of SIM cards. A couple of years ago there was all the hoo-ha about having to show ID if you wanted a new SIM card and all existing SIM cards had to be registered by a certain date or they would be 'turned off.'

Typical Thailand ... that didn't last long. Last trip to LOS, wandered into the first Phone Shop - asked for a Thai SIM card - given a choice of numbers - picked a 49 baht Happy DTAC one ... didn't need to show Passport or anything.

Left the SIM with a friend when I left Thailand as it had close to 300 baht credit on it - I couldn't use it in Australia.

If that SIM card is used for 'illegal' purposes - there is no way to trace it to me ... or could there be ???

Peter

Anyone with any connection no matter how slim to an actual act of terror should be subject to immediate arrest.

Whoa!!!

I don't think you actually realize what you're asking for, suiging. You're opening a Pandora's box.

I respect your desire for people's safety but you're asking for the impossible. I would not be so willing to exchange freedoms for rampant, uncontrollable fears.

With respect I do.

Having run the anti-terror squad in #$$%% for a number of years in the recent past, I have sadly come to the realization that it is a war we have to win for the sake of the majority. ( well, in the team for seven years. in charge for two )

Please note the term arrest. Not incarceration without trail, or taken off to some dark place for torture out of lawful jurisdiction. In addition, only subject to arrest if there is a tangible link to an act of terror ( like the Sim card case. )

Life is like a see-saw in a kids playground. Bad guys who do nasty things sit on one end. Good ( ehhh...well almost) guys sit on the other to achieve a balance, for the average guys to live in peace in the middle. When bad guys begin to stack the one end, and it doesn't take much, as the balance is always delicate, Shit happens for Mr and Mrs average on an ever increasing scale.

Stack the " good end " and I agree you, get a Police state, which itself upsets the balance and is equally as distressing.

These are troubled times. For every shocking act of terror you see on the news, police/security services have stopped literally hundreds more unspeakable acts, mostly by luck and a lot of hard graft. This luck does not, and will not last forever. Me, I like a balanced see-saw, and sadly, through necessity, will continue to support the people who make this possible.

Anyone with any connection no matter how slim to an actual act of terror should be subject to immediate arrest.

Having run the anti-terror squad in #$$%% for a number of years in the recent past, I have sadly come to the realization that it is a war we have to win for the sake of the majority. ( well, in the team for seven years. in charge for two )

I find the fact that someone such as yourself who can express an attitude worthy of a police state at it's worst can use laws which were passed with little scrutiny to arrest and detain someone who has done something which , in itself , is in no way a crime disturbing with a capital F.

I would rather be detained on suspicion of something (knowing I had done nothing) than let someone who had done something suspicious, no matter how innocuous, walk around without investigation.

Speaking of SIM cards. A couple of years ago there was all the hoo-ha about having to show ID if you wanted a new SIM card and all existing SIM cards had to be registered by a certain date or they would be 'turned off.'

Typical Thailand ... that didn't last long. Last trip to LOS, wandered into the first Phone Shop - asked for a Thai SIM card - given a choice of numbers - picked a 49 baht Happy DTAC one ... didn't need to show Passport or anything.

Left the SIM with a friend when I left Thailand as it had close to 300 baht credit on it - I couldn't use it in Australia.

If that SIM card is used for 'illegal' purposes - there is no way to trace it to me ... or could there be ???

Peter

There is now

I would rather be detained on suspicion of something (knowing I had done nothing) than let someone who had done something suspicious, no matter how innocuous, walk around without investigation.

I feel you may be missing the point.

I suspect that if you ever give a small service to a casual acquaintance (lend him money , give him a lift etc.) who goes on to do something nasty and find yourself detained , charged with a serious offence and in an interrogation room you might not be so serene.

Not missing the point at all.

I am hardly likely to associate with someone who would go on to 'do something nasty' ..... but how would I know that, terrorists and suicide bombers have a habit of just looking and acting like ordinary people to the general public.

If I did as you say, I would expect to be investigated and interrogated, granted I would be crapping myself while it was going on, but in a country that has real Intelligence and Legal system, it shouldn't be a problem ......... over here, well, different story.

Anyone with any connection no matter how slim to an actual act of terror should be subject to immediate arrest.

Having run the anti-terror squad in #$$%% for a number of years in the recent past, I have sadly come to the realization that it is a war we have to win for the sake of the majority. ( well, in the team for seven years. in charge for two )

I find the fact that someone such as yourself who can express an attitude worthy of a police state at it's worst can use laws which were passed with little scrutiny to arrest and detain someone who has done something which , in itself , is in no way a crime disturbing with a capital F.

Please re-read.

I in no way advocate a Police State. I am out of that line of work now and the opinions I have expressed are my own.

I am not talking about shoplifters. I actually said, arrest was necessary if there was a direct line of evidence to an individual in a known terrorist case, nothing else. I do truely believe this, unless there are enough resources to put such an individual under intense surviellance. Why ? well I suppose I do cherish the freedoms of the majority and am prepared to support wholeheartedly the poor sods who face a daily uphill battle defending them.

Yes, in this case the Indian gentleman may be totally innocent. I hope he is. However, just because he has been released does not necessarily imply the former. One thing for sure; I hope no member of TV ever has the mis-fortune to fall foul of one of these groups henious crimes. Worse still, if it was perpetrated by someone allowed to do as he so wished in order to pamper to the vocal liberal minority. Who incidently are always the first to bleet about how they were not protected after the fact.

Promised myself I would never rant on here. Sod it, now look what you have made me do !!!!!

More Chang vicar.

alright boys, chill out, have a pint (on Farangsay's bin) and talk about the weather or something, yeah?

Anyone with any connection no matter how slim to an actual act of terror should be subject to immediate arrest.

Having run the anti-terror squad in #$$%% for a number of years in the recent past, I have sadly come to the realization that it is a war we have to win for the sake of the majority. ( well, in the team for seven years. in charge for two )

I find the fact that someone such as yourself who can express an attitude worthy of a police state at it's worst can use laws which were passed with little scrutiny to arrest and detain someone who has done something which , in itself , is in no way a crime disturbing with a capital F.

Please re-read.

I in no way advocate a Police State. I am out of that line of work now and the opinions I have expressed are my own.

I am not talking about shoplifters. I actually said, arrest was necessary if there was a direct line of evidence to an individual in a known terrorist case, nothing else. I do truely believe this, unless there are enough resources to put such an individual under intense surviellance. Why ? well I suppose I do cherish the freedoms of the majority and am prepared to support wholeheartedly the poor sods who face a daily uphill battle defending them.

Yes, in this case the Indian gentleman may be totally innocent. I hope he is. However, just because he has been released does not necessarily imply the former. One thing for sure; I hope no member of TV ever has the mis-fortune to fall foul of one of these groups henious crimes. Worse still, if it was perpetrated by someone allowed to do as he so wished in order to pamper to the vocal liberal minority. Who incidently are always the first to bleet about how they were not protected after the fact.

Promised myself I would never rant on here. Sod it, now look what you have made me do !!!!!

FS gave Limpy a woody ! FS gave Limpy a woody ! :D

More Chang vicar.

Would give a more serious reply but I have to pop over to the 7 meself before the rain starts.

Get me a cold CHANG and I'll get you one.

Get me a cold CHANG and I'll get you one.

Deal pal !

Erm... F/S, I think Limpy is saying that if you get him a cold Chang, he'll give you a hard on.

You black hearted wabbit/hefferlump.

mai chai, I've a pure heart.

although I am treated like a terrorist in my own country.

For obvious reasons.

Anyone with any connection no matter how slim to an actual act of terror should be subject to immediate arrest.

Bush and Blair? Define terror and you may find that these two are covered by that same definition.

Anyone with any connection no matter how slim to an actual act of terror should be subject to immediate arrest.

Bush and Blair? Define terror and you may find that these two are covered by that same definition.

so, by Limpy's logic, anyone who voted those two into office should be arrested?

God I am so glad I don't vote.

Speaking of SIM cards. A couple of years ago there was all the hoo-ha about having to show ID if you wanted a new SIM card and all existing SIM cards had to be registered by a certain date or they would be 'turned off.'

Typical Thailand ... that didn't last long. Last trip to LOS, wandered into the first Phone Shop - asked for a Thai SIM card - given a choice of numbers - picked a 49 baht Happy DTAC one ... didn't need to show Passport or anything.

Left the SIM with a friend when I left Thailand as it had close to 300 baht credit on it - I couldn't use it in Australia.

If that SIM card is used for 'illegal' purposes - there is no way to trace it to me ... or could there be ???

Peter

There is now

There is not ! You purveyor of bullsh*t you !

I am herewith starting a private prosecution against you for unnecessarily putting the sh*ts up innocent people and impersonating forum administration by your sad sack avatar !

impersonating forum administration by your sad sack avatar !

:D

I have to agree, it really is a poor imitation

We've all had a laugh on JD's thread on the Glasgow terrorist f*ckup.

What is interesting is the Indian guy who was arrested in Auatralia.

His crime ? "recklessly assisting terrorists".

What did he do ? He left a SIM card with a friend/colleague on leaving the UK.

I find this disturbing.

What do you think ?

Perhaps we don't know all the details. If he's found to have not knowingly assisted terrorists I doubt anything will happen to him.

I would rather be detained on suspicion of something (knowing I had done nothing) than let someone who had done something suspicious, no matter how innocuous, walk around without investigation.

I wouldn't! It's (sort of) happened to me in Immigration here. I knew I'd done nothing wrong - but how would I prove it? I was terrified, absolutely terrified that I would be locked up & deported. I would never, ever go through something like that again if I had the choice. 2 or 3 hours of hel_l - and that was just my own mind: they never did or said anything untoward to me. Amazing the scenarios your mind can conjure up.

I would rather be detained on suspicion of something (knowing I had done nothing) than let someone who had done something suspicious, no matter how innocuous, walk around without investigation.

I wouldn't! It's (sort of) happened to me in Immigration here. I knew I'd done nothing wrong - but how would I prove it? I was terrified, absolutely terrified that I would be locked up & deported. I would never, ever go through something like that again if I had the choice. 2 or 3 hours of hel_l - and that was just my own mind: they never did or said anything untoward to me. Amazing the scenarios your mind can conjure up.

NR..... I did qualify it with....

I would expect to be investigated and interrogated, granted I would be crapping myself while it was going on, but in a country that has real Intelligence and Legal system, it shouldn't be a problem ......... over here, well, different story.

Different kettle of fish in LOS.

We'll be going Napoleonic soon, guilty until proven innocent.

But, I'm with Limpy; if there is a mob at a scene or a guy possible linked to terrorism, they have to round them up. I also agree that forces get many baddies before they do anything.