59 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I heard an interesting idea from The Salukie about how a one stare solution could work.

A total dictatorship but equal rights and same citizenship for all. A total camera surveillance state with social credits China style  Quick death penalty for violence. Slow transition to more civil liberties over time if possible.

Sounds like hell, have no idea how that could actually ever happen, but weirdly such a radical regime might be the only way that a one state solution short of expelling and murdering all Israeli Jews could ever be possible.

 

 

Some hard staring in store.

47 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

So is the Australian ABC. And SBS. Off topic here.

 

@ozimoron

 

You brought it up. Now you claim it's off topic.

The point is that 'state owned' got nothing to do with what you claimed.

You either misrepresent or misinterpret things.

Or more likely, trolling.

24 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 

You sound like you don't like Muslims. 

Do you think any of Israel's newspapers are biased?

 

 

 

@Neeranam

 

You sound like you're flaming.

36 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

@Neeranam

 

I believe chopping off posts is against forum rules.

 

I think you are aware that there was an Admin/Moderator post about it on one of the past topics.

 

AJ is owned by Qatar, Qatar hosts Hamas leadership. AJ does not cover things from an angle critical or unfavorable to Qatar's policies.

 

As for your flaming, trolling and the rest of your nonsense - pfft.

 

 

Chopping off posts? No idea what you are on about. Are you after a moderation job or something?

Jeez.

I am not aware of any Moderator post, what makes you think I am?

So many assumptions. 

A newspaper is owned by a government, so what?  What do you think of the US newspapers run by Jews? Sam same but different. 

 

20 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Chopping off posts? No idea what you are on about. Are you after a moderation job or something?

Jeez.

I am not aware of any Moderator post, what makes you think I am?

So many assumptions. 

A newspaper is owned by a government, so what?  What do you think of the US newspapers run by Jews? Sam same but different. 

 

You just outed yourself (again?) as a vile conspiracy theory spreading Jew hater. Good to know.

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

 

You sound like you don't like Muslims. 

Do you think any of Israel's newspapers are biased?

 

 

I like the cute ones who don't want to kill Jews quite a lot thank you very much.

 

Israel has a free press as you well know and a wide range of editorial slants are represented there.

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Some hard staring in store.

I'm not endorsing the idea but I have to give The Salukie points for creative thinking.

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Chopping off posts? No idea what you are on about. Are you after a moderation job or something?

Jeez.

I am not aware of any Moderator post, what makes you think I am?

So many assumptions. 

A newspaper is owned by a government, so what?  What do you think of the US newspapers run by Jews? Sam same but different. 

 

 

   Qatar is a Country that harbours terrorists , gives then a safe home .

Jews aren't a Country and Jewish run media newspapers do not give terrorists a safe home to operate out of .

   Its blatantly obviously clear that you keep making anti Jewish remarks , whilst also accusing other of being anti Islamic 

   You aren't fooling anyone 

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

It's a state owned news agency and therefore permitted here. I have posted links for AJ hundreds of times. 

It does not surprise anyone that you defend the use of AJ.

 

Al Jazeera 'journalists' in Gaza were terrorists: IDF presents evidence
The IDF presented a copy of the document, in Arabic, which it said listed Hamza as a dual-hat terrorist-journalist for Islamic Jihad.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781666

 

 

Pretty sure you've forgotten what this topic is about. (I know you read my posts....lol)

 

Our in-depth research is committed to exposing violence and hatred in educational curricula, and highlights the crucial need for peace and tolerance in classrooms globally. Ahead of his critical testimony at the HFAC hearing on UNRWA's failures, IMPACT-se CEO Marcus Sheff shares insights with @CNN on the urgent need for educational reform.

 

 

 

46 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Outed in what sense? 

I do not hate Jews, you couldn't be farther from the truth. Please tell me what I wrote suggests that? It's a rather horrible, unfounded accusation. I understand how Marc Lamont feels. 

What vile conspiracy theory? 

Why are people being fired by CNN? 

 

 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/12/2/cnn-facts-first-just-not-on-israel

 

 

Your coming out (again?) post was about Jews not Israel. Did you forget so soon?

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Your coming out (again?) post was about Jews not Israel. Did you forget so soon?

You mentioned Jews.

Off topic bickering baiting posts removed also replies

59 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

You mentioned Jews.

Gaslighting 

I never knew Islamophobia was still such an issue in the USA. 

Quote

 

However, a fact that cannot be ignored is that Islamophobia is “baked into Western society, generally,” he said.

“Islamophobia is actually, unfortunately, quite strong worldwide at this point,” said Saylor, terming it “out of control.”

 

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-s-gaza-war-pushing-islamophobia-out-of-control-worldwide-experts/3103331

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I never knew Islamophobia was still such an issue in the USA. 

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/israel-s-gaza-war-pushing-islamophobia-out-of-control-worldwide-experts/3103331

From a state run Turkish propaganda website. AA

 

Article from pro Hamas terrorist CAIR.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/08/politics/white-house-cair-leader/index.html

 

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

From a state run Turkish propaganda website. AA

 

Article from pro Hamas terrorist CAIR.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/08/politics/white-house-cair-leader/index.html

 

If there's a single undercurrent in the majority of Israeli war crime deniers its shooting the messenger. *Anything* to avoid discussion of  the reporting.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

From a state run Turkish propaganda website. AA

 

Article from pro Hamas terrorist CAIR.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/08/politics/white-house-cair-leader/index.html

 

CNN?

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

If there's a single undercurrent in the majority of Israeli war crime deniers its shooting the messenger. *Anything* to avoid discussion of  the reporting.

 

@ozimoron

 

You have not demonstrated a single actual war crime. You cannot. Alleged war crimes, maybe. But actual, legally decided war crime - no such thing yet with regard to the current fighting. You could always qualify your comments, but that would rob them of that 'oracle' pose you seem to be shooting for.

 

As for 'shooting the messenger' - kinda funny coming from someone putting people on 'ignore' (which is an actual thing with you wannabe 'pro-pestilential' posters).

On 1/31/2024 at 8:59 PM, Morch said:

 

@Danny Australia

 

That's not much on topic - unless you were trying to demonstrate how lies and hate feature in the Palestinian narrative (which you embrace). Linking AJ is another fine example of the same - it's not really a balanced source when referring to these issues. Also, I believe it was 'outlawed' on these discussion a while back.

 

You guys calling stuff 'war crime' doesn't make it so. Your legal 'expertise' is a fantasy. Get over yourselves.

 

As for your bogus example - these were three terrorists. Not civilians. And no civilians were hurt.

 

Terrorist State is just a flame attempt from a Hamas fanboy, again, not a label used by any relevant government.

 

Sure, the killing got nothing to do with the fact that these three were terrorists. According to your logic, peace would prevail had they been left alone and allowed to carry out some attack.

 

 

 

 

It appears there is no limit to how morally questionable the fervent supporter of a ‘plausible’ genocide can stoop.

 

So deplorable and morally corrupt when some people sink so low and justify every war crime, every atrocity, every bombing and even justifying the first ever live streamed 'plausible' genocide.

 

Back to the recent hospital massacre in Jeninn:

1.   You were apparently questioning the source (Al Jazeera), forget the source, was there any dispute of the incident itself?

2.    Is it deemed acceptable to take the life of an injured adversary lying in a hospital bed?

3.    Is the act of killing, instead of apprehending, considered justifiable when dealing with the enemy?

4.    Is disguising oneself as medical personnel, disabled person or women deemed morally acceptable?

5.     Is it permissible to enter Jenin, which, under the Oslo agreement, is supposed to be under Palestinian Authority control? It's worth noting that Jenin is not located in Gaza or Israel, and the construction of the separation wall, although deemed illegal, was intended to prevent such incursions.

 

 

 

On 1/31/2024 at 10:28 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  As far as I am aware , Jenin wasn't a war zone , and so it wouldn't be a war crime .

Jenin isn't in Gaza and isn't part of the current war , so , normal rules apply

The Israeli guys were the Police and they can dress in whatever clothes they want to .

 

According to international law, Jenin is an occupied territory. It has been in a continuous state of war with Israel since 1976

Over 6,000 Palestinians have been detained in the West Bank (Jenin included) since 7 October.

Since 7 October 2023 and as of 31 January 2024, 370 Palestinians have been killed, including 94 children, across the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

 

Hardly the atmosphere of anything but WAR zone.

 

Then again, if that despicable massacre of killing 3 injured unarmed young men in their beds at the hospital was not a war crime in your opinion, then how you classify it? 

 

12 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

It appears there is no limit to how morally questionable the fervent supporter of a ‘plausible’ genocide can stoop.

 

So deplorable and morally corrupt when some people sink so low and justify every war crime, every atrocity, every bombing and even justifying the first ever live streamed 'plausible' genocide.

 

Back to the recent hospital massacre in Jeninn:

1.   You were apparently questioning the source (Al Jazeera), forget the source, was there any dispute of the incident itself?

2.    Is it deemed acceptable to take the life of an injured adversary lying in a hospital bed?

3.    Is the act of killing, instead of apprehending, considered justifiable when dealing with the enemy?

4.    Is disguising oneself as medical personnel, disabled person or women deemed morally acceptable?

5.     Is it permissible to enter Jenin, which, under the Oslo agreement, is supposed to be under Palestinian Authority control? It's worth noting that Jenin is not located in Gaza or Israel, and the construction of the separation wall, although deemed illegal, was intended to prevent such incursions.

 

 

 

 

   Israel were told by the ICJ not to commit any genocide, so Israel complied with that request and instead of bombing the hospital to kill the terrorists , Israel went in and targeted the terrorists individually . 

   What more do you want ?

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel were told by the ICJ not to commit any genocide, so Israel complied with that request and instead of bombing the hospital to kill the terrorists , Israel went in and targeted the terrorists individually . 

   What more do you want ?

Mmmm, so that explains about the human life collateral damage associated with each individual terrorist targeted. Good compliance!.

23 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

Mmmm, so that explains about the human life collateral damage associated with each individual terrorist targeted. Good compliance!.

 

   The ICJ couldn't ask for more 

Seriously, Shame on whomever, is writing these headlines.

 

 

Over 100,000 people in📍#Gaza are either dead, injured, or missing and presumed dead.

An estimated 17,000 children are unaccompanied or separated from their parents - 1% of the 1.7M displaced population.

#Gaza is being strangled and the world seems to have lost its humanity

6 minutes ago, mooping20Baht said:

Seriously, Shame on whomever, is writing these headlines.

 

 

Over 100,000 people in📍#Gaza are either dead, injured, or missing and presumed dead.

An estimated 17,000 children are unaccompanied or separated from their parents - 1% of the 1.7M displaced population.

#Gaza is being strangled and the world seems to have lost its humanity

So how did this war start?
October 7 carried out by Hamas terrorists trained to hate and kill Jews.

No October 7 and the tragic stats you cite regardless of their accuracy wouldn't have happened.

So this topic is actually quite relevant.

Don't want war? Don't start a war. 

10 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

 

It appears there is no limit to how morally questionable the fervent supporter of a ‘plausible’ genocide can stoop.

 

So deplorable and morally corrupt when some people sink so low and justify every war crime, every atrocity, every bombing and even justifying the first ever live streamed 'plausible' genocide.

 

Back to the recent hospital massacre in Jeninn:

1.   You were apparently questioning the source (Al Jazeera), forget the source, was there any dispute of the incident itself?

2.    Is it deemed acceptable to take the life of an injured adversary lying in a hospital bed?

3.    Is the act of killing, instead of apprehending, considered justifiable when dealing with the enemy?

4.    Is disguising oneself as medical personnel, disabled person or women deemed morally acceptable?

5.     Is it permissible to enter Jenin, which, under the Oslo agreement, is supposed to be under Palestinian Authority control? It's worth noting that Jenin is not located in Gaza or Israel, and the construction of the separation wall, although deemed illegal, was intended to prevent such incursions.

 

 

 

 

@Danny Australia

 

There is not a single post of mine, on this forum and these topics which supports what you allege. This would be you lying, and engaging in out right defamation.

 

Your inflammatory words aside, this topic is not even about the Jenin incident. That's just you trying to deflect from the OP. 

 

There was an Admin/Moderator comment regarding AJ. You want to argue with that, or rile every time it's pointed out, that's up to you. The choice of source is relevant, as AJ tends to cover things in a certain way, with a certain tone, and with a 'pro-palestinian' angle. The way you frame your points and 'questions' demonstrates this quite well.

 

IMO, fighting terrorism often requires measures which can be construed as borderline. It's a matter of choices and options. Most people get that, others that are invested in 'a cause' might not. I'm not an idealist, but a realist.

10 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

 

According to international law, Jenin is an occupied territory. It has been in a continuous state of war with Israel since 1976

Over 6,000 Palestinians have been detained in the West Bank (Jenin included) since 7 October.

Since 7 October 2023 and as of 31 January 2024, 370 Palestinians have been killed, including 94 children, across the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

 

Hardly the atmosphere of anything but WAR zone.

 

Then again, if that despicable massacre of killing 3 injured unarmed young men in their beds at the hospital was not a war crime in your opinion, then how you classify it? 

 

 

@Danny Australia

 

Other than in your mind, Jenin (which is not a country, and not even on par with the PA) is not in a 'state of war' with Israel, continuous or otherwise. Jenn is a town (or city, whatever). It cannot be 'in a state of war' with anyone. And, of course, you're doing that tired co-opting act, implying all residents are of a single mind, purpose and ideology. In short, more lies.

 

You can keep trying to frame things as 'massacre', or ignore who these three men were. It won't change reality.

 

War crimes are not decided by yourself, or on internet forum posts.

10 hours ago, couchpotato said:

Mmmm, so that explains about the human life collateral damage associated with each individual terrorist targeted. Good compliance!.

 

I think there's less of that since the provisional ruling. But regardless, even the ICJ provisional ruling does not fully exclude or prohibit such actions (and their consequences). International laws regarding warfare actually allow for this. People may claim these laws are 'wrong', or that they ought to be amended etc., but these would also be the same laws which formed the basis for the provisional ruling. Can't have it both ways.

3 hours ago, mooping20Baht said:

Seriously, Shame on whomever, is writing these headlines.

 

 

Over 100,000 people in📍#Gaza are either dead, injured, or missing and presumed dead.

An estimated 17,000 children are unaccompanied or separated from their parents - 1% of the 1.7M displaced population.

#Gaza is being strangled and the world seems to have lost its humanity

 

@mooping20Baht

 

Seriously, shame on posters who don't realize these aren't headline crafted by AN, but part of the articles linked. Not too complicated.

 

Nothing in your post indicates who started this war, who refuses to end it, who said that these casualties are 'necessary sacrifices'.

But do go on about 'lost it's humanity'....by all means.