How to support 4 monitors using integrated Intel graphics CPU?

[GammaGlobulin]

22 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Sorry to hear you purchased a dodgy China piece.

Mine from plugable works great with 4 monitors off my laptop.

 

Ups to you if you prefer redundant wiring hanging off your workstation.

Personally, I prefer my workstation clean and tight.....

 

The addon you suggest is not necessary nor is it a very elegant solution.

 

 

[Ralf001]

39 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Ups to you if you prefer redundant wiring hanging off your workstation.

Personally, I prefer my workstation clean and tight.....

 

The addon you suggest is not necessary nor is it a very elegant solution.

 

 

lol you want to plug in 4 monitors to your workstation and complain about wiring !

 

FWIW ... 1 USB wire going to the hub... is neater than 4 monitor cables going to the work station...

 

Each to their own I guess.

[degrub]

If the MB says the limit is 125 w, then check the cpu compatible list that Asus provides on their support pages for each MB. Also, read the bios manual to check on limitations for display support. Daisy chaining displayport takes monitors that support, cables with enough bandwidth, and a driving displayport with correct bios support. 
 

if you want 4 cable solution and MB cannot handle, then get a workstation grade graphics card.

[GammaGlobulin]

19 hours ago, degrub said:

If the MB says the limit is 125 w, then check the cpu compatible list that Asus provides on their support pages for each MB. Also, read the bios manual to check on limitations for display support. Daisy chaining displayport takes monitors that support, cables with enough bandwidth, and a driving displayport with correct bios support. 
 

if you want 4 cable solution and MB cannot handle, then get a workstation grade graphics card.

 

a. Very good info about checking the ASUS website for CPU compatibility for various MBs. 

b. I will NEVER again purchase discrete GPUs, ie graphics cards, and I am with Torvalds....NVIDIA.....fU!

c. Some of my monitors have support for daisy-chaining. Some are older, but still like new. Anyway, I prefer NOT to daisy-chain anything, especially external drives, etc.

d. Therefore, if I cannot connect 4 displays to one workstation, then I will be back to the present circumstance of using two computers with total of 4 displays.

e.  Maybe I can daisy-chain two monitors.  Then use the other two video ports on the MB to connect two additional displays.

f. In this case, as someone commented, I bet that Apple OS and hardware are better at this than using either Windows or Linux, but this is only my suspicion.

g. I will not be able to use ===any=== Intel CPU where I am forced to use other than a non-stock CPU cooler.  So then, maybe an i7 CPU instead of my choice of the i5 3600K....

 

Maybe nobody is interested, but I thought that I might reply, anyway....

 

[GammaGlobulin]

On 1/31/2024 at 10:35 PM, degrub said:

If the MB says the limit is 125 w, then check the cpu compatible list that Asus provides on their support pages for each MB. Also, read the bios manual to check on limitations for display support. Daisy chaining displayport takes monitors that support, cables with enough bandwidth, and a driving displayport with correct bios support. 
 

if you want 4 cable solution and MB cannot handle, then get a workstation grade graphics card.

 

Just in case you might wish to voice your opinion regarding the best INTEL CPU for a price of USD 350.00, or under....

 

What is your best desktop suggestion?

 

a.  Must have Intel cooler supplied with the CPU

b.  Must have integrated graphics (UHD 770)

 

I cannot accept i5 3600K, since the CPU is supplied without any Intel CPU cooler.

 

(Or, I would wish to buy the i5 3600K IF Intel supplied a CPU cooler)

 

Care to voice your opinion?

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

 

[degrub]

There are better coolers than the default intel minimal coolers. Add Noctua fans in a push-pull arrangement,  happy days.  I haven't used Intel coolers since Pentium days. Arctic Silver thermal paste for heat transfer between the two.

 

Using IGU, no issue. Pick the APU that meets budget. Don’t sweat the cooler choice.

 

Linus’s beef with Nvidia has to do with open sourcing versus proprietary drivers. Hardly a credible issue for MS Windows users. Been using Linux since Slackware 0.9 , btw.

[GammaGlobulin]

Just now, degrub said:

There are better coolers than the default intel minimal coolers. Add Noctua fans in a push-pull arrangement,  happy days.  I haven't used Intel coolers since Pentium days. Arctic Silver thermal paste for heat transfer between the two.

 

Using IGU, no issue. Pick the APU that meets budget. Don’t sweat the cooler choice.

 

Linus’s beef with Nvidia has to do with open sourcing versus proprietary drivers. Hardly a credible issue for MS Windows users. Been using Linux since Slackware 0.9 , btw.

 

OK.

Seriously, this time...

Thank you.

 

I will check it out.

 

Appreciate it.

I need to buy another computer which will be good enough to use in the year 2030.

 

Or, maybe, even, in the year 2525...if Man is still alive.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

IF purchasing the i5-3600K CPU, then...I will choose this CPU Cooler.

Hopefully, it will be in stock somewhere in Thailand.

This CPU is made in Taiwan, which I prefer.

 

 

 

The only alternative would be to not buy this CPU, and choose some CPU from Intel with a stock CPU cooler already provided in the box.

 

The downside to choosing a non-stock CPU cooler for the Intel CPU is that, from past experience, the third-party coolers bomb out after awhile.  And, I have never had a stock Intel cooler fail, even after 10 years of use.

 

 

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

IF purchasing the i5-3600K CPU, then...I will choose this CPU Cooler.

Hopefully, it will be in stock somewhere in Thailand.

This CPU is made in Taiwan, which I prefer.

 

The only alternative would be to not buy this CPU, and choose some CPU from Intel with a stock CPU cooler already provided in the box.

 

The downside to choosing a non-stock CPU cooler for the Intel CPU is that, from past experience, the third-party coolers bomb out after awhile.  And, I have never had a stock Intel cooler fail, even after 10 years of use.

 

 

The 10 year old intel CPU is probably a low power unit. The K series uses a lot more power and gets hot.

 

3rd party manufacturers make CPU coolers for a reason and Intel CPU's are not generally used for that reason. There are some fine coolers out there. Find one which will match the CPU's power requirements. Even if you are not overclocking the CPU it still uses more power than the other models.

 

I don't understand your obsession with wanting to buy a genuine Intel CPU cooler. There's no basis whatsoever for thinking they are more efficient, quieter or more reliable. Most high end computers don't use genuine Intel CPU coolers.

[Woof999]

On 1/31/2024 at 12:41 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

I will NEVER again buy a discrete GPU.

 

Then you will always be compromising which CPU, motherboard and monitors you can buy.

 

I've pretty much always bought separate GPUs for my main PCs, especially when even dual monitor support was essential. For 4 monitors, in my humble opinion, a separate GPU is a no brainer. Each to their own I guess.

[GammaGlobulin]

9 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

 

Then you will always be compromising which CPU, motherboard and monitors you can buy.

 

I've pretty much always bought separate GPUs for my main PCs, especially when even dual monitor support was essential. For 4 monitors, in my humble opinion, a separate GPU is a no brainer. Each to their own I guess.

 

Thank you.

And, I will look again.

It's just that I have always found that if I minimize complexity, and strive for simplicity, then I am always thankful for doing so...in the end...and after a few years of use, too.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The 10 year old intel CPU is probably a low power unit. The K series uses a lot more power and gets hot.

 

3rd party manufacturers make CPU coolers for a reason and Intel CPU's are not generally used for that reason. There are some fine coolers out there. Find one which will match the CPU's power requirements. Even if you are not overclocking the CPU it still uses more power than the other models.

 

I don't understand your obsession with wanting to buy a genuine Intel CPU cooler. There's no basis whatsoever for thinking they are more efficient, quieter or more reliable. Most high end computers don't use genuine Intel CPU coolers.

 

Yes.

I am beginning to come around to your views.

However, I am still using an Intel 2500K CPU, with a stock cooler.

And, I must admit, that this CPU is not considered extremely low power compared to the newest i5 Intel offerings...

Tks!

 

Still...

One might guess that there must be a good reason for Intel to offer integrated graphics on this K-rated CPU.

Not sure why, if Intel intended this CPU to be used, in some cases, without a discrete GPU...

 

 

[save the frogs]

On 1/30/2024 at 11:27 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

Why do I NEED 4 monitors?  This is NOT the question.

 

Let me guess

1 for AN 24/7

1 for monitoring crypto and stocks 24/7

1 for Pornbub 24/7

1 for cat videos on Youtube 

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Let me guess

1 for AN 24/7

1 for monitoring crypto and stocks 24/7

1 for Pornbub 24/7

1 for cat videos on Youtube 

 

 

 

I wish it were so, My Friend!

 

However, actually, I use my computers for the betterment of Mankind, and also to educate the Chinese...

And, 4 monitors is my bare minimum for this important task.

 

Thank you, though, for your welcome humor on this Topic....

 

 

[Woof999]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Thank you.

And, I will look again.

It's just that I have always found that if I minimize complexity, and strive for simplicity, then I am always thankful for doing so...in the end...and after a few years of use, too.

 

 

 

It does, of course, depend on what you are doing with the PC. For me, GPU strain and CPU strain tend to be relatively in sync, so a single chip handling both will be under a whole load of thermal stress and quite possibly more likely to fail.

 

The only real issues I've had with GPUs were around 20 years ago when the ATI GPU drivers were dog<deleted>. Since then I've stuck to NVidia, although I would consider AMD again now.

 

I've had a 2080Ti since they were first launched (and 3 NVidia Titan X before that). Typically I would have upgraded by now (I tend to upgrade at least every 3 years), but it's still going strong running 2 x 34inch ultra wide screens and a 49 inch ridiculously ultra wide for a combined diagonal size of more than 9 feet. No way in the world would I touch integrated graphics for that.

[GammaGlobulin]

1 minute ago, Woof999 said:

 

It does, of course, depend on what you are doing with the PC. For me, GPU strain and CPU strain tend to be relatively in sync, so a single chip handling both will be under a whole load of thermal stress and quite possibly more likely to fail.

 

The only real issues I've had with GPUs were around 20 years ago when the ATI GPU drivers were dog<deleted>. Since then I've stuck to NVidia, although I would consider AMD again now.

 

I've had a 2080Ti since they were first launched (and 3 NVidia Titan X before that). Typically I would have upgraded by now (I tend to upgrade at least every 3 years), but it's still going strong running 2 x 34inch ultra wide screens and a 49 inch ridiculously ultra wide for a combined diagonal size of more than 9 feet. No way in the world would I touch integrated graphics for that.

 

OK.

My issue is the ===fans=== on the GPUs which fail me.

 

If I could buy a solid-state GPU (no fans), then I would gladly consider a discrete GPU.

 

Also, I do not like the extra noise from the GPU fans...

 

So, it is not that I would not happily buy a discrete GPU...but that it is the fans mounted on the GPUs which really are lousy, IMHO....

 

 

[Woof999]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

OK.

My issue is the ===fans=== on the GPUs which fail me.

 

If I could buy a solid-state GPU (no fans), then I would gladly consider a discrete GPU.

 

Also, I do not like the extra noise from the GPU fans...

 

So, it is not that I would not happily buy a discrete GPU...but that it is the fans mounted on the GPUs which really are lousy, IMHO....

 

 

 

I've never had a problem with fans failing, but they also aren't expensive to replace. Do you clean the inside of the PC regularly? Also make sure that the fan settings are correct, so that they are running at a speed based on the current load, not always set at X. If I'm hammering graphics then yes I can hear the fans, but that's with good reason.

 

Here's almost 10ft of loveliness, although taken shortly after a load of Arduino components were delivered, so desk is messy as hell.

 

[GammaGlobulin]

11 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

 

I've never had a problem with fans failing, but they also aren't expensive to replace. Do you clean the inside of the PC regularly? Also make sure that the fan settings are correct, so that they are running at a speed based on the current load, not always set at X. If I'm hammering graphics then yes I can hear the fans, but that's with good reason.

 

Here's almost 10ft of loveliness, although taken shortly after a load of Arduino components were delivered, so desk is messy as hell.

 

 

NICE!

Looks GREAT!

 

OK, you may be correct.

When my fans were failing, most, I was living by the Pacific Ocean in Taiwan, on the East Coast, with typhoons, and the Northeasterly salty winds blowing in, almost constantly for about 9 months out of the year.

 

My GPUs failed regularly, due to fans quitting, or capacitors blowing....after being blown by the salty air.

 

Maybe you are correct that the GPU fans should last a long time, if properly cared for.  This, I DNK.

 

Still, for my needs, IF I can do without extra complexity, then this will definitely be my goal.

 

Nice photo...

Thank you for sharing....

 

 

[save the frogs]

37 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

I wish it were so, My Friend!

 

However, actually, I use my computers for the betterment of Mankind, and also to educate the Chinese...

And, 4 monitors is my bare minimum for this important task.

 

Thank you, though, for your welcome humor on this Topic....

 

 

 

You need 4 monitors to educate the Chinese?

The story behind that is undoubtedly more humorous than anything I can conjure up.

 

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

You need 4 monitors to educate the Chinese?

The story behind that is undoubtedly more humorous than anything I can conjure up.

 

 

 

 

Someday, I will post a Topic about this.

Not really as humorous as you might imagine.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

Wow...I really cannot believe this:

 

I was just about to reach out to ASUS for help selecting a mainboard for my Intel i5 3600K CPU selection.

 

BUT....then....they asked me for my birthdate on the service-request form.

This is a TOTAL turnoff!

 

 

Talk about INTRUSIVE, Baby!

 

No Way, Jose!

 

They need some COOLING, and Baby, I ain't Foolin'....

 

 

No need to ask my info, including my birthdate, my height, or....the length of my long schlong...for that matter, just to ask about compatibility of my CPU....

 

Weird.....

So very Weird....

 

Baby!!!!!!

 

I will give ASUS every INCH of my Love.....

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

On 2/2/2024 at 9:34 AM, degrub said:

Linus’s beef with Nvidia has to do with open sourcing versus proprietary drivers. Hardly a credible issue for MS Windows users. Been using Linux since Slackware 0.9 , btw.

 

Yes.

I know.

Also, I think that Linus always regretted his off-the-cuff comment on NVIDIA, a while back.

 

And, also....

You told me to look at the ASUS site to find the best motherboard compatibility for my chosen CPU.

So, I did search the ASUS Global site...but....still...I am unable to find what you were referring to...so...

Do you have the link?

 

If not, I will continue to search.

 

Thank you.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

This is not the ASUS site, but here is a nice rundown on the best mainboards for the i5 3600K CPU...

 

 

This link seems useful....:

https://tech4gamers.com/best-motherboard-for-i5-13600k/

 

Many (a few, anyway)  are listed on this page....

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

 

No WIFI needed.

This is overkill.

Expensive, too.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

 

No intention to overclock this great CPU.

And, no need, either.

 

[degrub]

3 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Yes.

I know.

Also, I think that Linus always regretted his off-the-cuff comment on NVIDIA, a while back.

 

And, also....

You told me to look at the ASUS site to find the best motherboard compatibility for my chosen CPU.

So, I did search the ASUS Global site...but....still...I am unable to find what you were referring to...so...

Do you have the link?

 

If not, I will continue to search.

 

Thank you.

 

 

Pick a MB that has what you want. Then go to support , enter that MB model , select cpu/memory compatibility section, select cpu to get the list. 

The MB chipset tends to control which cpu families are supported, so you can filter the MB offering by chipset on the main MB pages.

[GammaGlobulin]

5 minutes ago, degrub said:

Pick a MB that has what you want. Then go to support , enter that MB model , select cpu/memory compatibility section, select cpu to get the list. 

The MB chipset tends to control which cpu families are supported, so you can filter the MB offering by chipset on the main MB pages.

 

Actually:  Thank you very much for your suggestion.

 

I will do just this.

 

Note: I must build a computer that will last me another 10 years....which means....it must be fast enough for moderate use in 2034.... (My 2500K Intel CPU with ASUS MB is still very adequate for my purposes at this time, in 2024.  And, the nice thing about CPUs is that they are manufactured to last a very long time, and extremely fault resilient, I think.)

 

But, this time, I will buy a more expensive CPU, and one suited to a socket (1700) for which I can buy a new MB five years from now, if needed, if you know what I am talking about....  Just in case the MB dies in four years, then I will still be able to buy a completely new, not refurbished, motherboard, five years hence.  I mean...I am not crazy. I plan for the future.

 

 

[degrub]

Fanless gpu cards

 

https://video.matrox.com/en/products/graphics-cards/m-series/m9148-lp-pcie-x16

 

matrox is well respected. None of the gaming stuff.

 

Up to 8 displayport displays.

[GammaGlobulin]

Just now, degrub said:

Fanless gpu cards

 

https://video.matrox.com/en/products/graphics-cards/m-series/m9148-lp-pcie-x16

 

matrox is well respected. None of the gaming stuff.

 

OK.

Tks.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

46 minutes ago, degrub said:

Fanless gpu cards

 

https://video.matrox.com/en/products/graphics-cards/m-series/m9148-lp-pcie-x16

 

matrox is well respected. None of the gaming stuff.

 

Up to 8 displayport displays.

 

 

Of course, you are not being serious, are you?

 

The UHD Graphics 770 blow this piece of garbage out of the water.