Opinion: The Case Against Israel Rests on Lies

[Social Media]

 

In the complex web of international relations, truth often becomes entangled in political agendas and distorted narratives. The recent accusations against Israel by South Africa at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) serve as a stark example of this troubling trend. As Israel faces allegations of genocide, one particular distortion of truth has emerged, shedding light on the broader challenges of justice and reality in the modern world.

 

At the heart of this issue lies a quote attributed to an Israeli official, taken out of context and grossly misrepresented in South Africa's presentation to the ICJ. This quote, extracted from a news conference held shortly after a devastating terrorist attack by Hamas, was twisted to imply Israeli complicity in civilian deaths. The context of the quote, however, reveals a different story.

 

The news conference, held amidst the aftermath of a brutal terrorist act that claimed the lives of innocent Israelis and left hundreds more in captivity, was intended to address international journalists. Yet, instead of focusing on the victims of terrorism, the journalists were fixated on the potential repercussions for Palestinians in Gaza – the very territory from which the terrorists had originated.

 

What emerged from this distortion was an attempt to frame Israel as the aggressor, responsible for violence against civilians. However, the reality is far more nuanced. The terrorist attack on October 7 saw not only the brutal slaughter of innocent Israelis but also the participation of Palestinian civilians in acts of murder, rape, and looting. Videos captured Palestinians celebrating the massacre and attacking hostages as they were led away.

 

Amidst this chaos, the Israeli official emphasized the distinction between innocent civilians and combatants, reaffirming Israel's commitment to international law and the protection of civilian life. However, these words were twisted to fit a narrative of Israeli aggression and intent to commit genocide.

 

The truth, obscured by political agendas and distorted narratives, is that Israel is engaged in a defensive struggle against an explicitly genocidal enemy. The civilian casualties in Gaza, tragic though they may be, are a consequence of Hamas's use of human shields and deliberate targeting of Israeli civilians.

 

Despite this, humanitarian aid continues to reach Gaza, underscoring Israel's commitment to upholding humanitarian principles even in the midst of conflict. However, the plight of Israeli hostages held by Hamas remains a pressing concern, often overlooked in the international discourse.

 

The case presented by South Africa, in support of Hamas, represents a dangerous departure from moral clarity and truth. It is a blood libel against the nation-state of the Jewish people, perpetuating falsehoods and undermining the vision of international justice that emerged from the ashes of the Holocaust.

 

In the face of such distortions, it is imperative that the international community uphold the principles of truth and justice, refusing to succumb to political agendas and cynical narratives. The repercussions of abandoning these ideals extend far beyond Israel, threatening the integrity of the international legal system and the pursuit of a more just world.

 

14.02.24

Opinion Source

 

[Morch]

This is an opinion column by Israel's President.

He did claim, since the start that his words were taken out of context and twisted.

But then again, regardless of whether one considers his position as right or not, its obviously a Mandy Rice-Davies situation.

Edited February 14 by Morch

[Neeranam]

12 hours ago, Social Media said:

In the face of such distortions, it is imperative that the international community uphold the principles of truth and justice, refusing to succumb to political agendas and cynical narratives. The repercussions of abandoning these ideals extend far beyond Israel, threatening the integrity of the international legal system and the pursuit of a more just world.

While it is commendable to advocate for the principles of truth and justice in international affairs, the assertion that the international community should uphold these ideals without acknowledging the complexities and nuances of such conflicts oversimplifies the situation.

Truth and justice can be elusive due to the multiplicity of narratives and perspectives involved. Both sides often present their versions of events, which may differ significantly. Therefore, achieving a consensus on what constitutes truth and justice becomes inherently challenging.

The call to resist political agendas and cynical narratives must apply to all parties involved, not selectively. In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, both sides have been accused of propagating distorted narratives and using political agendas to advance their interests. Holding one side to a higher standard while ignoring the actions of the other undermines the credibility of efforts to promote truth and justice.

 

Framing the issue solely as a matter of truth and justice overlooks the underlying structural injustices and power imbalances that perpetuate the conflict. The Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories, settlement expansion, restrictions on movement and access, and disproportionate use of force are among the factors contributing to the ongoing cycle of violence and human rights violations. Addressing these root causes is essential for achieving a just and lasting resolution to the conflict.

 

The assertion that the integrity of the international legal system is threatened by criticisms of Israel's actions overlooks the importance of accountability and adherence to international law. Holding states accountable for violations of human rights and humanitarian law is fundamental to the functioning of the international legal system and the promotion of justice worldwide.

 

 

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

While it is commendable to advocate for the principles of truth and justice in international affairs, the assertion that the international community should uphold these ideals without acknowledging the complexities and nuances of such conflicts oversimplifies the situation.

Truth and justice can be elusive due to the multiplicity of narratives and perspectives involved. Both sides often present their versions of events, which may differ significantly. Therefore, achieving a consensus on what constitutes truth and justice becomes inherently challenging.

The call to resist political agendas and cynical narratives must apply to all parties involved, not selectively. In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, both sides have been accused of propagating distorted narratives and using political agendas to advance their interests. Holding one side to a higher standard while ignoring the actions of the other undermines the credibility of efforts to promote truth and justice.

 

Framing the issue solely as a matter of truth and justice overlooks the underlying structural injustices and power imbalances that perpetuate the conflict. The Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories, settlement expansion, restrictions on movement and access, and disproportionate use of force are among the factors contributing to the ongoing cycle of violence and human rights violations. Addressing these root causes is essential for achieving a just and lasting resolution to the conflict.

 

The assertion that the integrity of the international legal system is threatened by criticisms of Israel's actions overlooks the importance of accountability and adherence to international law. Holding states accountable for violations of human rights and humanitarian law is fundamental to the functioning of the international legal system and the promotion of justice worldwide.

 

 

 

Source? Link?

[FruitPudding]

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

What emerged from this distortion was an attempt to frame Israel as the aggressor, responsible for violence against civilians. However, the reality is far more nuanced. The terrorist attack on October 7 saw not only the brutal slaughter of innocent Israelis but also the participation of Palestinian civilians in acts of murder, rape, and looting. Videos captured Palestinians celebrating the massacre and attacking hostages as they were led away.

 

I just don't get how this can be forgotten about and swept under the carpet by the world.

 

Wars have been started over less.

 

I get that Palestine is hurting right now but what did they expect?

 

[Neeranam]

7 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

I just don't get how this can be forgotten about and swept under the carpet by the world.

 

Wars have been started over less.

 

I get that Palestine is hurting right now but what did they expect?

 

Let me put in a way you can easily understand:- 

When tensions escalate between Israel and Palestine, it often follows a pattern:

1- Israel takes land that Palestinians claim as their own and kills one Palestinian.

2- In response, a Palestinian kills an Israeli.

3- Israel retaliates by killing many more Palestinians, say a thousand and creating an Apartheid system, locking up a thousand Palestinians with no trial.

4- Palestinians, in turn, respond by targeting more Israelis, perhaps a thousand.

5-Israel reacts with even greater force, resulting in the deaths of 50 thousand  Palestinians.

 

This tragic cycle of violence perpetuates suffering and destruction on both sides, with each escalation leading to more significant loss of life and further entrenching hostility and resentment. Recognizing this pattern is essential to understanding the urgent need for dialogue, negotiation, and efforts toward a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

[Morch]

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Let me put in a way you can easily understand:- 

When tensions escalate between Israel and Palestine, it often follows a pattern:

1- Israel takes land that Palestinians claim as their own and kills one Palestinian.

2- In response, a Palestinian kills an Israeli.

3- Israel retaliates by killing many more Palestinians, say a thousand and creating an Apartheid system, locking up a thousand Palestinians with no trial.

4- Palestinians, in turn, respond by targeting more Israelis, perhaps a thousand.

5-Israel reacts with even greater force, resulting in the deaths of 50 thousand  Palestinians.

 

This tragic cycle of violence perpetuates suffering and destruction on both sides, with each escalation leading to more significant loss of life and further entrenching hostility and resentment. Recognizing this pattern is essential to understanding the urgent need for dialogue, negotiation, and efforts toward a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

 

So, in your nonsense world, the Palestinians are forever reacting? Never initiating violence? Never do no wrong?

That's cute.

 

Your 'pattern' is just another contrived attempt at a skewed narrative.

 

Tell me again which land was taken on 7/10.

[FruitPudding]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Let me put in a way you can easily understand:- 

When tensions escalate between Israel and Palestine, it often follows a pattern:

1- Israel takes land that Palestinians claim as their own and kills one Palestinian.

2- In response, a Palestinian kills an Israeli.

3- Israel retaliates by killing many more Palestinians, say a thousand and creating an Apartheid system, locking up a thousand Palestinians with no trial.

4- Palestinians, in turn, respond by targeting more Israelis, perhaps a thousand.

5-Israel reacts with even greater force, resulting in the deaths of 50 thousand  Palestinians.

 

This tragic cycle of violence perpetuates suffering and destruction on both sides, with each escalation leading to more significant loss of life and further entrenching hostility and resentment. Recognizing this pattern is essential to understanding the urgent need for dialogue, negotiation, and efforts toward a peaceful resolution to the conflict.

 

I don't see any end to Islamic extremism and that's the bigger picture here.

[Neeranam]

6 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

I don't see any end to Islamic extremism and that's the bigger picture here.

I agree, especially now! 

[FruitPudding]

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I agree, especially now! 

 

Why especially now?

[Neeranam]

49 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

Why especially now?

The recent events in Gaza, marked by 28,000 civilian deaths and widespread devastation, are likely to fuel the flames of Muslim extremism in the near future, especially as the USA is funding the Israelis. The loss of innocent lives and the destruction of communities in Gaza resonate deeply within the Muslim world, serving as a potent rallying cry for extremist elements seeking to capitalize on grievances and stoke anti-Western sentiment. This tragic reality mirrors past instances where Muslim extremism surged, notably after the Iraq War, during which the United States' military actions resulted in the deaths of numerous civilians. Such actions have engendered profound anger and resentment across Muslim-majority regions, fueling narratives of oppression, injustice, and the vilification of Western powers. The persistent cycle of violence and perceived injustices, compounded by geopolitical complexities and historical grievances, contributes to an environment ripe for the recruitment and radicalization of individuals susceptible to extremist ideologies.  

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The recent events in Gaza, marked by 28,000 civilian deaths and widespread devastation, are likely to fuel the flames of Muslim extremism in the near future, especially as the USA is funding the Israelis. The loss of innocent lives and the destruction of communities in Gaza resonate deeply within the Muslim world, serving as a potent rallying cry for extremist elements seeking to capitalize on grievances and stoke anti-Western sentiment. This tragic reality mirrors past instances where Muslim extremism surged, notably after the Iraq War, during which the United States' military actions resulted in the deaths of numerous civilians. Such actions have engendered profound anger and resentment across Muslim-majority regions, fueling narratives of oppression, injustice, and the vilification of Western powers. The persistent cycle of violence and perceived injustices, compounded by geopolitical complexities and historical grievances, contributes to an environment ripe for the recruitment and radicalization of individuals susceptible to extremist ideologies.  

I stopped before finishing your first sentence, 28,000 civilian deaths?

[FruitPudding]

56 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The recent events in Gaza, marked by 28,000 civilian deaths and widespread devastation, are likely to fuel the flames of Muslim extremism in the near future,

 

They don't need fuel; they are extremists.

 

They target innocent people; that's what a terrorist does, by definition. 

 

 

56 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

especially as the USA is funding the Israelis.

 

Israel is basically part of "the West" and the issue here is Islamic terrorism which targets the West, specifically. It's been a problem for decades.

 

That's the bigger picture here.

 

Not only is America funding them, but assisting them strategically.

 

56 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The loss of innocent lives and the destruction of communities in Gaza resonate deeply within the Muslim world, serving as a potent rallying cry for extremist elements seeking to capitalize on grievances and stoke anti-Western sentiment.

 

I honestly think they'd be this way in any case. Don't they attack us in the name of Allah?

 

56 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

This tragic reality mirrors past instances where Muslim extremism surged, notably after the Iraq War, during which the United States' military actions resulted in the deaths of numerous civilians. Such actions have engendered profound anger and resentment across Muslim-majority regions, fueling narratives of oppression, injustice, and the vilification of Western powers. The persistent cycle of violence and perceived injustices, compounded by geopolitical complexities and historical grievances, contributes to an environment ripe for the recruitment and radicalization of individuals susceptible to extremist ideologies.  

 

So, you are saying by killing them in war, America will create more generations of them?

 

Possibly.

 

Or maybe they'll think twice next time. Who knows? We aren't experts.

 

Maybe if you give them an inch, they'll kill you.

 

 

Edited February 14 by FruitPudding

[WDSmart]

On 2/14/2024 at 11:39 AM, Morch said:

On 2/14/2024 at 11:31 AM, Neeranam said:

While it is commendable to advocate for the principles of truth and justice in international affairs, the assertion that the international community should uphold these ideals without acknowledging the complexities and nuances of such conflicts oversimplifies the situation.

Truth and justice can be elusive due to the multiplicity of narratives and perspectives involved. Both sides often present their versions of events, which may differ significantly. Therefore, achieving a consensus on what constitutes truth and justice becomes inherently challenging.

The call to resist political agendas and cynical narratives must apply to all parties involved, not selectively. In the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, both sides have been accused of propagating distorted narratives and using political agendas to advance their interests. Holding one side to a higher standard while ignoring the actions of the other undermines the credibility of efforts to promote truth and justice.

 

Framing the issue solely as a matter of truth and justice overlooks the underlying structural injustices and power imbalances that perpetuate the conflict. The Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories, settlement expansion, restrictions on movement and access, and disproportionate use of force are among the factors contributing to the ongoing cycle of violence and human rights violations. Addressing these root causes is essential for achieving a just and lasting resolution to the conflict.

 

The assertion that the integrity of the international legal system is threatened by criticisms of Israel's actions overlooks the importance of accountability and adherence to international law. Holding states accountable for violations of human rights and humanitarian law is fundamental to the functioning of the international legal system and the promotion of justice worldwide.

 

 

 

Source? Link?

I read this as an opinion written by @Neeranam himself; if so, his post is the source and has no other link.

Edited February 24 by WDSmart

[WDSmart]

On 2/14/2024 at 11:46 AM, FruitPudding said:

 

I just don't get how this can be forgotten about and swept under the carpet by the world.

 

Wars have been started over less.

 

I get that Palestine is hurting right now but what did they expect?

 

This conflict didn't start on Oct 7. That was just the latest (now second-latest) in this series of horrific, reciprocal attacks.

I also "...don't get how this can be forgotten about and swept under the carpet by the world," but if you look under the rug, you'll see that this modern-day version of the centuries-old struggle between the Israelis and the Palestinians started 77 years ago.

[WDSmart]

On 2/14/2024 at 12:18 PM, Morch said:

 

So, in your nonsense world, the Palestinians are forever reacting? Never initiating violence? Never do no wrong?

That's cute.

 

Your 'pattern' is just another contrived attempt at a skewed narrative.

 

Tell me again which land was taken on 7/10.

The Palestinians are reacting, and so are the Israelis. This conflict is just a growups, militant version of a kid's excuse, "He hit me first!

[transam]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

This conflict didn't start on Oct 7. That was just the latest (now second-latest) in this series of horrific, reciprocal attacks.

I also "...don't get how this can be forgotten about and swept under the carpet by the world," but if you look under the rug, you'll see that this modern-day version of the centuries-old struggle between the Israelis and the Palestinians started 77 years ago.

Not again...............

Stop making excuses for the murder of 1000+ Israeli civilians on 7/10..........Gawd elp' us....

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Not again...............

Stop making excuses for the murder of 1000+ Israeli civilians on 7/10..........Gawd elp' us....

I'm not "making excuses" for them. I'm just saying this attack did not happen in a vacuum. There's a lot of history behind it.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I'm not "making excuses" for them. I'm just saying this attack did not happen in a vacuum. There's a lot of history behind it.

There is always history behind everything, but you have a distinct problem about folk who take care of aggressors.

Have read up on how the Japanese and Germans HAD to be dealt with to stop their aggression....😬

[Wobblybob]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I'm not "making excuses" for them. I'm just saying this attack did not happen in a vacuum. There's a lot of history behind it.

Your constant usage of your one moment in time history lessons does not negate the fact that Hamas did start this war on Oct 7th, for without the incursion there would be very little trouble, only the daily rocket attacks from Hamas of course.

Stop making excuses for these vile monsters!

[billd766]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

Not again...............

Stop making excuses for the murder of 1000+ Israeli civilians on 7/10..........Gawd elp' us....

Perhaps you have forgotten the 28,xxx Palestinian deaths and the 65,xxx Palestinian injured since October 7th by the indiscriminate actions of the IDF. Not to mention the illegal withholding of food, water, electricity and medical supplies by the Israeli government, not to mention the total land sea and air blockade by the Israeli government of the entire Gaza strip.

[Wobblybob]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Perhaps you have forgotten the 28,xxx Palestinian deaths and the 65,xxx Palestinian injured since October 7th by the indiscriminate actions of the IDF. Not to mention the illegal withholding of food, water, electricity and medical supplies by the Israeli government, not to mention the total land sea and air blockade by the Israeli government of the entire Gaza strip.

Maybe you should be reminding Hamas of this loss of lives if the terrorists figures are anything to go by and not other posters, how many of the dead were terrorists. 

Running out of food eh, but not rockets, something for the terrorists supporters to celebrate I suppose.

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Maybe you should be reminding Hamas of this loss of lives if the terrorists figures are anything to go by and not other posters, how many of the dead were terrorists. 

Running out of food eh, but not rockets, something for the terrorists supporters to celebrate I suppose.

 

If Israel bombs civilians it's self defense but if Hamas do it it's terrorism? Is that your message?

[Jeff the Chef]

History has everything to do with this conflict.

Israel has had control of a population of people, the Palestinians/Arabs since 1948, treated them appallingly by most civilised peoples standards of today.

Moving forward to this so called modern era where Social Media is available Worldwide the loss of political and media control by the powers that be has gone, and people all over the world can see what is happening in real time, and are disgusted by it.

Edited February 24 by Jeff the Chef

[retarius]

Thought I'd check in, but it is the same old debate. Folk who have been marinaded in US/Israeli propaganda for 75 years,. defending the indefensible. Folk who have insight and wish to see the vile slaughter stopped and Israel exposed as the murdering, apartheid state that it is. I am proud to be on the side which has a moral compass, and not the side that defends bullying oppression and slaughter. 

[Des1]

On 2/14/2024 at 5:39 AM, Social Media said:

 

In the complex web of international relations, truth often becomes entangled in political agendas and distorted narratives. The recent accusations against Israel by South Africa at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) serve as a stark example of this troubling trend. As Israel faces allegations of genocide, one particular distortion of truth has emerged, shedding light on the broader challenges of justice and reality in the modern world.

 

At the heart of this issue lies a quote attributed to an Israeli official, taken out of context and grossly misrepresented in South Africa's presentation to the ICJ. This quote, extracted from a news conference held shortly after a devastating terrorist attack by Hamas, was twisted to imply Israeli complicity in civilian deaths. The context of the quote, however, reveals a different story.

 

The news conference, held amidst the aftermath of a brutal terrorist act that claimed the lives of innocent Israelis and left hundreds more in captivity, was intended to address international journalists. Yet, instead of focusing on the victims of terrorism, the journalists were fixated on the potential repercussions for Palestinians in Gaza – the very territory from which the terrorists had originated.

 

What emerged from this distortion was an attempt to frame Israel as the aggressor, responsible for violence against civilians. However, the reality is far more nuanced. The terrorist attack on October 7 saw not only the brutal slaughter of innocent Israelis but also the participation of Palestinian civilians in acts of murder, rape, and looting. Videos captured Palestinians celebrating the massacre and attacking hostages as they were led away.

 

Amidst this chaos, the Israeli official emphasized the distinction between innocent civilians and combatants, reaffirming Israel's commitment to international law and the protection of civilian life. However, these words were twisted to fit a narrative of Israeli aggression and intent to commit genocide.

 

The truth, obscured by political agendas and distorted narratives, is that Israel is engaged in a defensive struggle against an explicitly genocidal enemy. The civilian casualties in Gaza, tragic though they may be, are a consequence of Hamas's use of human shields and deliberate targeting of Israeli civilians.

 

Despite this, humanitarian aid continues to reach Gaza, underscoring Israel's commitment to upholding humanitarian principles even in the midst of conflict. However, the plight of Israeli hostages held by Hamas remains a pressing concern, often overlooked in the international discourse.

 

The case presented by South Africa, in support of Hamas, represents a dangerous departure from moral clarity and truth. It is a blood libel against the nation-state of the Jewish people, perpetuating falsehoods and undermining the vision of international justice that emerged from the ashes of the Holocaust.

 

In the face of such distortions, it is imperative that the international community uphold the principles of truth and justice, refusing to succumb to political agendas and cynical narratives. The repercussions of abandoning these ideals extend far beyond Israel, threatening the integrity of the international legal system and the pursuit of a more just world.

 

14.02.24

Opinion Source

 

A sad attempt to justify the genocide of innocent Palestinians

[spidermike007]

Alot of nonsense in this post. And a very poor defense of Israel and the extremists driving this attempt to exterminate the Palestinians and destroy their land, Syria style. 

 

As posted previously:

 

The IDF response was ridiculously disproportionate, the number of women and children killed was horrendous, and Israel is paying an enormous price for this hatred and racism toward the Palestinian people, who are about 2 genetic markers away from being Israeli.

 

Israel is losing more allies by the day, the US in on the cusp of withdrawing aid, and the extremist Netanyahu is finding himself in a more indefensible position, by the day.

 

Between 1 January and 12 February, 51 per cent of missions planned by humanitarian partners to deliver aid and undertake assessments to areas to the north of Wadi Gaza were denied access by the Israeli authorities. More than 625,000 students and nearly 23,000 teachers in the Gaza Strip have been affected by school closures and attacks on education, leaving them with no access to education or a safe place. According to the Ministry of Education, as of 6 February, more than 4,851 students and 239 educational staff have been killed and more than 8,227 students and 836 teachers have been injured in the Gaza Strip since 7 October.

 

Speaking earlier Sunday at the African Union summit, Lula called Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip a "genocide." What is

happening in the Gaza Strip with the Palestinian people has no parallel in history.

 

South Africa, which 

accused Israel in the unprecedented case, argued Israel’s air and ground assaults on Gaza were intended to “bring about the destruction” of its Palestinian population.

 

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-02-18-24/index.html

Edited February 24 by spidermike007

[ozimoron]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a sea change in the US position if the ICJ order a cease fire and / or rule that the Israeli occupation of Gaza and parts of the west bank are illegal.

 

She says the United States is making considerable efforts to come into compliance, despite serious obstacles within its own constitutional system.

 

https://www.cfr.org/video/united-states-and-icj

[WDSmart]

47 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Your constant usage of your one moment in time history lessons does not negate the fact that Hamas did start this war on Oct 7th, for without the incursion there would be very little trouble, only the daily rocket attacks from Hamas of course.

Stop making excuses for these vile monsters!

Yes, that would be true for Israel, but not for the Palestinians, whose land is CONSTANTLY being seized and occupied by Israelis. 

[mikebike]

On 2/14/2024 at 11:46 AM, FruitPudding said:

 

I just don't get how this can be forgotten about and swept under the carpet by the world.

 

Wars have been started over less.

 

I get that Palestine is hurting right now but what did they expect?

 

Their LEADERS expected exactly what they got. An overreaction from Israel causing tons of media exposure, recruiting, and fundraising opportunities.

 

Civilians on both sides are fodder.

Edited February 24 by mikebike