Joe Biden’s catastrophic presidency represents the final surrender of the West

[xylophone]

On 2/19/2024 at 4:38 AM, flyingtlger said:

Are you kidding?

I'd take Biden over tRump any day.....

I wouldn't read too much into this article, because the UK Telegraph is a right-wing rag, and anyway it is only an opinion piece, so take it for what it's worth – – simply nothing.  However the trump culties will be over it like a rash!!!

Edited February 20 by xylophone

[Skipalongcassidy]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Well that dident age well lmao 🤣 trump is now officially rated as the worst president in American history oh boy oh boy did you step in it that time !

Consider your source... hater

[retarius]

4 hours ago, Roo Island said:

Bizarre anyone would use a phrase like that. Definitely deplorable.

Let's go Brandon.

[retarius]

14 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Other than by delaying the deadline which Trump moved up, how?

Defending the indefensible. Biden screwed up, admit it. 

[ozimoron]

22 minutes ago, retarius said:

Defending the indefensible. Biden screwed up, admit it. 

 

Biden did absolutely nothing other than keep to Trump's deadline and allow the military to do the best they could with a bad hand. What actions did Biden take to change the course of events? Don't come back and tell me about things he didn't do, tell me what he did that screwed up the withdrawal.

 

The US should never have withdrawn as they'd now have forces based to the East of Iran had they not done so. Trump instigated this withdrawal to appease Putin.

Edited February 20 by ozimoron

[spidermike007]

19 hours ago, jingjai9 said:

Don't you think Edward Snowden is America's Navalny?  America did not have Snowden killed, but he is in exile and skillfully marginalized by the US Mainstream Press. 

 

 

 

 

No. He is railing against the deep state, domestic surveillance, and over reach. Not the president. With Putin things are very different. You have a serial killing dictator, who has blackmailed and connived with all of the oligarchs, to become one of the world's richest men. He is likely even more corrupt than most of the Czars of yesteryear. He is a foul despot, desperately clinging to power. Putin killed Navalny, who was a true hero.

 

You could describe Snowden as a hero, but I think that may be a stretch. He did expose countless undercover operatives overseas. I do not have an issue with alot of the filthy US government stuff he exposed, otherwise.

[HappyExpat57]

3 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

So says one of the biggest trolls on this forum...

Ohhhh, sweetie - did I touch a nerve?

 

 

 

Edited February 20 by HappyExpat57
speling [sic]

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

My understanding from everything I've read about it is that his hands were tied, everything had already been said in motion by the ignoramus, and there wasn't much he could have done. I wonder. 

 

The level alof abandonment of those translators was pathetic and shameful. 

IMO that is BS. Biden was the POTUS at the time, so the buck stops with him. He could have stopped it had he wanted to. It's not like the withdrawal happened on his second day on the job.

 

He stopped the wall, despite it actually being built at the time.

IMO you are just grasping at straws to try to cover for your hero, who messed up big time.

Edited February 20 by thaibeachlovers

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Know what for sure? If none of this would have happened if Trump were still president? If Trump could  have solved everything by just making a few phone calls? Dream on…

Who knows? 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Biden did absolutely nothing other than keep to Trump's deadline and allow the military to do the best they could with a bad hand. What actions did Biden take to change the course of events? Don't come back and tell me about things he didn't do, tell me what he did that screwed up the withdrawal.

 

The US should never have withdrawn as they'd now have forces based to the East of Iran had they not done so. Trump instigated this withdrawal to appease Putin.

 

Prove that or be wrong.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Prove that or be wrong.

 

Prove that he did nothing? I did ask what you thought he actually did to stuff it up. Crickets.

[WDSmart]

I'm not a big Biden supporter, but I don't think he's done a bad job being president so far. I voted for him last time and I'll vote for him again if he's the Democrat nominee. There is a 99% chance that I'll vote for whoever is the Democrat nominee.

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO that is BS. Biden was the POTUS at the time, so the buck stops with him. He could have stopped it had he wanted to. It's not like the withdrawal happened on his second day on the job.

 

He stopped the wall, despite it actually being built at the time.

IMO you are just grasping at straws to try to cover for your hero, who messed up big time.

It appears you are correct. I researched it some more. Biden is no hero of mine. Neither are the dems. I just prefer them over Trump, who I consider a human catastrophe. The US faces two terrible choices. 

 

The Taliban are a nightmarish group of serial killers, rapists and thieves, who pretend to believe in something. In reality, their brand of fake Islam gives them a license to steal, rape and kill. They are total thugs. 

 

Those clowns would not know a Koran, if it hit them up the side of the head. All the religion part is, is simply a cover for their gangs. They deal in heroin and meth, they kidnap and rape young girls at will, they steal, maim and engage in serial killing as a hobby. There is no religion or spirituality in their game. All of that is simply a cover for their gang banging activities. 

 

The withdrawal was a long time coming, and it appears they had plenty of time to deal with it in a manageable manner. I have relatives in the military. They all say the same thing. If Bagram Air base was left fully functional, while a coordinated effort was made to withdraw all Americans, Allies and Afghans who helped with the war effort, it likely could have been accomplished successfully. 

 

In addition, there was no reason to leave 20,000 plus Humvees, 2,000 plus pickup truck, billions in weapons and equipment behind, or to not have destroyed all that stuff. Why just hand it over to the Taliban?

 

The Afghanistan of November 14, 2023, is far worse than the Afghanistan of September 10, 2001, the day before al-Qaeda launched its deadly attack on America, which was plotted from Afghan soil. On September 10, 2001, the Taliban did not fully control the country, was mired in a fight for territory with the Northern Alliance, and was isolated internationally. Today, the Taliban is in full control of Afghanistan, has the resources of a state and a military armed with billions of dollars in U.S. weapons that were left behind, and is sending envoys to countries such as China, Russia, and Iran.

 

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/14/go-to-zero-joe-bidens-withdrawal-order-and-the-taliban-takeover-of-afghanistan/

Edited February 20 by spidermike007

[Prubangboy]

The Diaper Wearer is currently bumping along the ceiling of his polling -with no attempts to broaden his appeal and nothing but bad, bad, and worse news in front of him.

 

The madness balloon will soon be deflating. Again. Looks like Weekend at Bernie's is going to snooze to victory -again. I'll be there to help ThaiBeachLover through that difficult day.

 

Went down a Youtube thing of looking at Kennedy Center Awards shows. Loved Steven Tyler doing Abby Road. 'Wondered about the Trump years shows.

 

There weren't any. No joy, no classiness, no art, no reaching out, no nothing.

 

It's all about him. And sending him twenty bucks. TrumpTrash cucks, I know you're holding out him. Pay him today.

 

Has any of the TrumpTrash here even sent him a single dollar? I expect tomb-like silence to this question.

 

 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

Prove that he did nothing? I did ask what you thought he actually did to stuff it up. Crickets.

 

He extended the date. He had more time to arrange a managed withdrawal with cover....but no...his final flit was a disaster of deaths and weakness. Bagram was abandoned and the remaining NATO elements were as surprised and as pissed off as his field commanders. Biden was as useless and dangerous then as he is now.

 

 

[ozimoron]

34 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

He extended the date. He had more time to arrange a managed withdrawal with cover....but no...his final flit was a disaster of deaths and weakness. Bagram was abandoned and the remaining NATO elements were as surprised and as pissed off as his field commanders. Biden was as useless and dangerous then as he is now.

 

So you accept that Trump's already brought forward date was unrealistic?

[nauseus]

8 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

So you accept that Trump's already brought forward date was unrealistic?

 

Trump didn't bring it forward. 

[ozimoron]

52 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Trump didn't bring it forward. 

 

You're correct. I was confused. I found this while fact checking

 

June 26 — At a rally in Ohio, his first since leaving office, Trump boasts that Biden can’t stop the process he started to remove troops from Afghanistan, and acknowledges the Afghan government won’t last once U.S. troops leave.

“I started the process,” Trump says. “All the troops are coming back home. They [the Biden administration] couldn’t stop the process.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

 

Boasting of Biden being unable to stop the process while acknowledging that the govt would fall sure smacks of appeasement to Putin to me. Like all of Trump's foreign policy.

[ozimoron]

[Trump's] strategy is to recognize Russian Crimea in return for nothing. In July, Trump was asked whether he would recognize Russia Crimea and lift sanctions, and simply responded: “Yes. We would be looking at that.”

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/12/trump-putin-and-the-art-of-appeasement/510767/

[candide]

17 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

[Trump's] strategy is to recognize Russian Crimea in return for nothing. In July, Trump was asked whether he would recognize Russia Crimea and lift sanctions, and simply responded: “Yes. We would be looking at that.”

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/12/trump-putin-and-the-art-of-appeasement/510767/

He's been clear about it since 2014

 

"Within weeks, Trump praised Putin for how he handled the takeover of Crimea and predicted that "the rest of Ukraine will fall ... fairly quickly." Echoing Kremlin propaganda, Trump said in a TV interview that the Crimean people "would rather be with Russia," a position he also pushed in private. One of his 2016 campaign aides falsely claimed that "Russia did not seize Crimea."

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

[Tug]

9 hours ago, retarius said:

Let's go Brandon.

Well ok he’s lowered drug prices for seniors,we are in the process of repairing our infrastructure,has stood with labor,has seeded the domestic manufacturing of computer chips,we are producing more oil than the rest of the planet,that’s the domestic side of things.internationally we have stood by Ukraine when she has asked for our help(trumps trying to snuff that out)resisting a war of conquest at the hands of Putin.have helped to revitalize the painfully obviously nessary nato adding 2 more top tier nations there’s lots and lots more …….so yea me thinks the BIDEN TEAM has definitely got up and is going full steam ahead hope that helps not bad for an old duffer ehhh?

[Skipalongcassidy]

14 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Ohhhh, sweetie - did I touch a nerve?

 

 

 

NO... your opinion is not worth a rat's ass... all you got is insults and drivel

[HappyExpat57]

1 minute ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

NO... your opinion is not worth a rat's ass... all you got is insults and drivel

THERE"S that raw nerve. Sorry I stepped on it (not).

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It appears you are correct. I researched it some more. Biden is no hero of mine. Neither are the dems. I just prefer them over Trump, who I consider a human catastrophe. The US faces two terrible choices. 

 

The Taliban are a nightmarish group of serial killers, rapists and thieves, who pretend to believe in something. In reality, their brand of fake Islam gives them a license to steal, rape and kill. They are total thugs. 

 

Those clowns would not know a Koran, if it hit them up the side of the head. All the religion part is, is simply a cover for their gangs. They deal in heroin and meth, they kidnap and rape young girls at will, they steal, maim and engage in serial killing as a hobby. There is no religion or spirituality in their game. All of that is simply a cover for their gang banging activities. 

 

The withdrawal was a long time coming, and it appears they had plenty of time to deal with it in a manageable manner. I have relatives in the military. They all say the same thing. If Bagram Air base was left fully functional, while a coordinated effort was made to withdraw all Americans, Allies and Afghans who helped with the war effort, it likely could have been accomplished successfully. 

 

In addition, there was no reason to leave 20,000 plus Humvees, 2,000 plus pickup truck, billions in weapons and equipment behind, or to not have destroyed all that stuff. Why just hand it over to the Taliban?

 

The Afghanistan of November 14, 2023, is far worse than the Afghanistan of September 10, 2001, the day before al-Qaeda launched its deadly attack on America, which was plotted from Afghan soil. On September 10, 2001, the Taliban did not fully control the country, was mired in a fight for territory with the Northern Alliance, and was isolated internationally. Today, the Taliban is in full control of Afghanistan, has the resources of a state and a military armed with billions of dollars in U.S. weapons that were left behind, and is sending envoys to countries such as China, Russia, and Iran.

 

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/14/go-to-zero-joe-bidens-withdrawal-order-and-the-taliban-takeover-of-afghanistan/

Biden is no hero of mine.

 

Thanks for the clarification about Biden.

 

Old news now, but the US should have gone in, destroyed the Taliban and left. I guess US officials were not strong on history, which would have informed them of the inevitable failure of their mission to convert the Afghani's to US style capitalism ( sarcasm alert ).

[Skipalongcassidy]

8 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

THERE"S that raw nerve. Sorry I stepped on it (not).

Is that all ya got?  

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Prubangboy said:

The Diaper Wearer is currently bumping along the ceiling of his polling -with no attempts to broaden his appeal and nothing but bad, bad, and worse news in front of him.

 

The madness balloon will soon be deflating. Again. Looks like Weekend at Bernie's is going to snooze to victory -again. I'll be there to help ThaiBeachLover through that difficult day.

 

Went down a Youtube thing of looking at Kennedy Center Awards shows. Loved Steven Tyler doing Abby Road. 'Wondered about the Trump years shows.

 

There weren't any. No joy, no classiness, no art, no reaching out, no nothing.

 

It's all about him. And sending him twenty bucks. TrumpTrash cucks, I know you're holding out him. Pay him today.

 

Has any of the TrumpTrash here even sent him a single dollar? I expect tomb-like silence to this question.

 

 

Trump really does live in your head, doesn't he. I think much the same about your hero, Biden, but I don't need to use infantile descriptions about him. It's like something kindy kids would write.

Carry on.

[HappyExpat57]

10 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Is that all ya got?  

 

Ohhhh, you DO care! 😉

[Walker88]

15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO that is BS. Biden was the POTUS at the time, so the buck stops with him. He could have stopped it had he wanted to. It's not like the withdrawal happened on his second day on the job.

 

He stopped the wall, despite it actually being built at the time.

IMO you are just grasping at straws to try to cover for your hero, who messed up big time.

The US-Mexico Border is 1954 miles. During his 4 years in office, 52 miles of primary border wall were built. Mexico paid this much: $0.00

 

trump had a R-House and R-Senate his first 2 years. 52/1954....I'll let you do the math.

 

The R-House, under Biden, slashed funds for Border Patrol agents, because the goal of their bloated leader is to keep the border an election issue.

 

Now does this new 52 miles of wall stop the flow? You can find YouTube videos of folks getting through. As for 'bad guys' getting through, Hamas showed us what determined bad guys think about border walls.

 

On the plus side for trump, 52/1954 is infinitely better than his many "infrastructure Weeks".

[Walker88]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump really does live in your head, doesn't he. I think much the same about your hero, Biden, but I don't need to use infantile descriptions about him. It's like something kindy kids would write.

Carry on.

Heaven forbid Prunbangboy would stoop to such a childish level he would resort to terms like "Crooked" "Pencil Neck" "Sleepy" "Low IQ" "Deranged". etc.

 

Like everything trump, it's all about projection, If trump accuses someone of something, e.g., corruption, you know full well he is projecting his own corruption. Those who criticize trump critics for going childish or banal, are in total denial of how their messiah stoops lower than whale puke. Funny---or maybe not---that trumpers hold trump critics to a much higher standard than their messiah.

 

[Walker88]

I've got to run to my Merriam-Webster to check out this word 'catastrophic'.

 

MW will correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think low unemployment, massive job creation, the strongest economic growth since the 1990s, and standing up to putin's aggression in Ukraine constitute catastrophic.

 

Apparently Douglas Murray is tough to please. It seems he has an affection for More War.