Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

2 topics related to this already.

 

BREAKING NEWS! Iran potentially triggers World War 3

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324904-breaking-news-iran-potentially-triggers-world-war-3/

 

Joe Biden expects Iran to attack Israel 'sooner than later'

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324851-joe-biden-expects-iran-to-attack-israel-sooner-than-later

 

[Rimmer]

An unattributed posts also a troll post and reply have been removed

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

April 13 (Reuters) - The United Nations Security Council is set to meet on Sunday after Israel requested the council condemn Iran's attack on Israel and designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization.
The meeting will take place at 4 p.m. ET (2000 GMT), according to a schedule released late on Saturday.
Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, requested the council hold an emergency meeting in a letter on Saturday to the council's president.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-aims-meet-sunday-iran-attack-after-israel-request-diplomat-2024-04-14/

I've been listening to some of the actual statements from that meeting, and the discussion about it on Al Jazeera. Israel wants a condemnation of Iran from the security council, but given the way the Russian spokesman destroyed the western members for their hypocricy ( not condemning  israel for it's attack on Iranian territory ) the israelis can whistle in the wind if they think they will get that. I doubt the Chinese will allow it either.

 

It's ironic in the extreme that israel is asking the UN to support them, when they have disregarded any UN resolutions they don't like, and America is going to find out that they don't rule the UN after all, LOL.

[Bkk Brian]

Great gesture from Germany

 

Germany to give Holocaust survivors $236 payout to help them cope with October 7 attacks

Germany will provide a one-time payment of $236 (€220) to Holocaust survivors, to help them cope with the impacts of the Hamas-led October 7 attacks in southern Israel.

Berlin will compensate 113,000 Holocaust survivors in Israel in the form of $27 million (€25 million), according to the German finance ministry.

“Many Holocaust survivors were hit particularly hard by the Hamas attacks, whether through the loss of their homes, support systems in the form of care,” a German finance ministry spokeswoman said.

The additional funds were aimed at helping the Holocaust survivors ”as quickly as possible (…) in this frightening and hopeless war situation,” the spokeswoman added.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/12/europe/israeli-holocaust-germany-payout-october-7-intl/index.html

[Wobblybob]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've been listening to some of the actual statements from that meeting, and the discussion about it on Al Jazeera. Israel wants a condemnation of Iran from the security council, but given the way the Russian spokesman destroyed the western members for their hypocricy ( not condemning  israel for it's attack on Iranian territory ) the israelis can whistle in the wind if they think they will get that. I doubt the Chinese will allow it either.

 

It's ironic in the extreme that israel is asking the UN to support them, when they have disregarded any UN resolutions they don't like, and America is going to find out that they don't rule the UN after all, LOL.

You have been listening to AJ, I wouldn't take what they say as gospel. 🙁

[billd766]

On 4/14/2024 at 9:38 AM, Jeff the Chef said:

April 13 (Reuters) - The United Nations Security Council is set to meet on Sunday after Israel requested the council condemn Iran's attack on Israel and designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organization.
The meeting will take place at 4 p.m. ET (2000 GMT), according to a schedule released late on Saturday.
Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, requested the council hold an emergency meeting in a letter on Saturday to the council's president.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-aims-meet-sunday-iran-attack-after-israel-request-diplomat-2024-04-14/

After, of course, Israel had already attacked Iran at the Iranian embassy in Damascus.

 

Hypocritical? Of course. However I would expect nothing less of Israel under the current murderous PM, Netanyahu and his equally hand picked, murderous war cabinet.

 

From the BBC News website this morning,

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68812884

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68813496

 

And if Israel had not attacked the Iranian consulate and murdered the Iranian generals in the first place, this probably would not have happened.

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

After, of course, Israel had already attacked Iran at the Iranian embassy in Damascus.

 

Hypocritical? Of course. However I would expect nothing less of Israel under the current murderous PM, Netanyahu and his equally hand picked, murderous war cabinet.

 

From the BBC News website this morning,

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68812884

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68813496

 

And if Israel had not attacked the Iranian consulate and murdered the Iranian generals in the first place, this probably would not have happened.

Another off topic rant:

 

Here is the evil that needs eliminating.

 

“The Al-Aqsa Flood ( October 7th Massacre) is just the first time and there will be a second, a third, a fourth.” We all saw the evil Hamas is capable of on October 7th. If we don’t stop them, this is what they are promising to do again and again and again.

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1778072934407381307

 

[Bkk Brian]

The US stating the obvious, although not so obvious for some members here.

 

US accuses Hamas of being ‘obstacle’ to Gaza truce after it rejected Israel’s proposal

Terror group said to give mediators a new draft, claims it can only free 20 ‘humanitarian’ hostages, demands permanent end to war, return to north Gaza for displaced civilians. 

“The bottom line is that they have rejected it, and if they did accept it, it would allow for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza of at least six weeks, which would benefit the Palestinian people whom they claim to represent. It would also allow us to continue improvements in the delivery of humanitarian assistance,” said Miller.

“The bottom line is Hamas needs to take that deal, and they need to explain to the world and to the Palestinian people why they aren’t taking it because it is Hamas right now that is the barrier and the obstacle to a ceasefire in Gaza,” he said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-accuses-hamas-of-being-obstacle-to-gaza-truce-after-rejecting-israels-proposal/

[Neeranam]

 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 

Its no surprise you forgot the unconditional release of the hostages. Bit like Hamas, they would rather forget about them but Israel and the world will never.

 

Crucially the UNSC demanded “an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan respected by all parties leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire”. It further demanded “the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address their medical and other humanitarian needs”

 

Source

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/15/2024 at 3:33 PM, billd766 said:

After, of course, Israel had already attacked Iran at the Iranian embassy in Damascus.

 

Hypocritical? Of course. However I would expect nothing less of Israel under the current murderous PM, Netanyahu and his equally hand picked, murderous war cabinet.

 

From the BBC News website this morning,

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68812884

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68813496

 

And if Israel had not attacked the Iranian consulate and murdered the Iranian generals in the first place, this probably would not have happened.

IMO the Iranian response was the intended outcome of the attack on the consulate. IMO Netanyahu needed a deflection from Gaza and he has succeeded in that. None of the usual sycophantic leaders are calling for a ceasefire or feeding the Gazans now, are they?

 

I'm just listening to some US talking head on Al Jazeera excusing everything israel does and condemning Iran for responding to an attack on it's consulate. He even refused to answer a question about the consulate attack, and said they are still "considering" it, LOL. The usual sycophantic statement of unconditional support for israel.

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On 4/9/2024 at 1:36 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Been a bit hasty there .

Looks like the war isn't over 

Netanyahu has just announced there is an enter Rafah date 

 

 

"Israel-Gaza latest: Hamas rejects latest ceasefire proposal - as 'date set' for Rafah ground offensive

Hamas has rejected Israel's latest ceasefire proposal, despite reports suggesting talks had been progressing well. Meanwhile, Benjamin Netanyahu says a date has been set for a ground offensive in Rafah - which he has long been warned against."

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-hamas-latest-ceasefire-sky-news-blog-12978800

You know, if you were citing most political leaders, I would have pointed out to you that putting lipstick on a pig is par for the course. But given that Benjamin Netanyahu is recognized far and wide for his moral probity and willingness to acknowledge his errors and failures no matter how gravely they might damage his political prospects, it's clear that in this case you have made an excellent point. In opposite world.

[Jeff the Chef]

12 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its no surprise you forgot the unconditional release of the hostages. Bit like Hamas, they would rather forget about them but Israel and the world will never.

 

Crucially the UNSC demanded “an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan respected by all parties leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire”. It further demanded “the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages, as well as ensuring humanitarian access to address their medical and other humanitarian needs”

 

Source

 

 

Smotrich says bringing hostages home ‘not the most important thing,’ sparking outcry
Far-right minister says Israel needs to focus on destroying Hamas, slams those who call for a deal ‘at any price’; Gantz and Lapid condemn his comments

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich sparked fury and protests on Tuesday after saying that securing the return of the hostages was “not the most important thing” for Israel to worry about at the moment and the government’s primary focus should be destroying Hamas.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-bringing-hostages-home-not-the-most-important-thing-sparking-outcry/

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Smotrich says bringing hostages home ‘not the most important thing,’ sparking outcry
Far-right minister says Israel needs to focus on destroying Hamas, slams those who call for a deal ‘at any price’; Gantz and Lapid condemn his comments

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich sparked fury and protests on Tuesday after saying that securing the return of the hostages was “not the most important thing” for Israel to worry about at the moment and the government’s primary focus should be destroying Hamas.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-bringing-hostages-home-not-the-most-important-thing-sparking-outcry/

A far right minister speaking on the 20th Feb has absolutely nothing to do with Gov policy and the UN Security Council resolution that orders Hamas to also release al hostages immediately. 

[thaibeachlovers]

19 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Smotrich says bringing hostages home ‘not the most important thing,’ sparking outcry
Far-right minister says Israel needs to focus on destroying Hamas, slams those who call for a deal ‘at any price’; Gantz and Lapid condemn his comments

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich sparked fury and protests on Tuesday after saying that securing the return of the hostages was “not the most important thing” for Israel to worry about at the moment and the government’s primary focus should be destroying Hamas.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-bringing-hostages-home-not-the-most-important-thing-sparking-outcry/

It's like they are so arrogant that they think they can say anything and get away with it, forgetting that lots and lots of other countries read or hear what they say and draw conclusions from it. In situations like this, words are important.

[Hummin]

15 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Smotrich says bringing hostages home ‘not the most important thing,’ sparking outcry
Far-right minister says Israel needs to focus on destroying Hamas, slams those who call for a deal ‘at any price’; Gantz and Lapid condemn his comments

Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich sparked fury and protests on Tuesday after saying that securing the return of the hostages was “not the most important thing” for Israel to worry about at the moment and the government’s primary focus should be destroying Hamas.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-bringing-hostages-home-not-the-most-important-thing-sparking-outcry/

 

You can ask if they choosed the best solution, if the hostages was the first priority  

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's like they are so arrogant that they think they can say anything and get away with it, forgetting that lots and lots of other countries read or hear what they say and draw conclusions from it. In situations like this, words are important.

It's a democracy. He said it in the context to a hostage deal at any price. At the time he said this public opinion was in agreement with him. 

 

Perhaps you need reminding  of what Hamas leaders say seeing as words are so important to you.

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On 4/15/2024 at 10:54 AM, Bkk Brian said:

Another off topic rant:

Off topic? The Israeli attack on the Iranian Consulate is  off topic? How exactly does that work? If it had been an Israeli consulate that had been attacked by Iran, would Israel have not counterattacked?

 

UN chief criticizes strike on Iranian consulate, warns against ‘further escalation’

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres condemned on Tuesday a strike on an Iranian consular annex building in Damascus a day earlier, his spokesman said, after the attack — which Tehran has blamed on Israel — killed at least 13 people, including seven members of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

“The secretary-general reaffirms that the principle of the inviolability of diplomatic and consular premises and personnel must be respected in all cases in accordance with international law,” spokesman Stephane Dujarric said.

Guterres called on “all concerned to exercise utmost restraint and avoid further escalation,” his spokesperson added in a statement.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-chief-criticizes-strike-on-iranian-consulate-warns-against-further-escalation/

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Off topic? The Israeli attack on the Iranian Consulate is  off topic? How exactly does that work? If it had been an Israeli consulate that had been attacked by Iran, would Israel have not counterattacked?

 

UN chief criticizes strike on Iranian consulate, warns against ‘further escalation’

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres condemned on Tuesday a strike on an Iranian consular annex building in Damascus a day earlier, his spokesman said, after the attack — which Tehran has blamed on Israel — killed at least 13 people, including seven members of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

“The secretary-general reaffirms that the principle of the inviolability of diplomatic and consular premises and personnel must be respected in all cases in accordance with international law,” spokesman Stephane Dujarric said.

Guterres called on “all concerned to exercise utmost restraint and avoid further escalation,” his spokesperson added in a statement.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-chief-criticizes-strike-on-iranian-consulate-warns-against-further-escalation/

 

 

A significant event indeed and why it has its own topics there 29 pages of discussion on it here:

 

BREAKING NEWS! Iran potentially triggers World War 3

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324904-breaking-news-iran-potentially-triggers-world-war-3/

 

And 4 pages here 

 

Joe Biden expects Iran to attack Israel 'sooner than later'

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324851-joe-biden-expects-iran-to-attack-israel-sooner-than-later

 

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1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

A significant event indeed and why it has its own topics there 29 pages of discussion on it here:

 

BREAKING NEWS! Iran potentially triggers World War 3

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324904-breaking-news-iran-potentially-triggers-world-war-3/

 

And 4 pages here 

 

Joe Biden expects Iran to attack Israel 'sooner than later'

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324851-joe-biden-expects-iran-to-attack-israel-sooner-than-later

 

And  yet, despite all that discussion, you dismissed that point in this thread.

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And  yet, despite all that discussion, you dismissed that point in this thread.

Any point you have I will be more than happy to reply to if I am interested enough in the dedicated topics

 

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8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Any point you have I will be more than happy to reply to if I am interested enough in the dedicated topics

 

Apparently, you're only interested enough to make irrelevant comments but not interested enough to engage with the actual issue. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Apparently, you're only interested enough to make irrelevant comments but not interested enough to engage with the actual issue. 

Since when has pointing out the relevant topics been irrelevant?

 

You post a link to what Guterres said on the 3rd April, no not interested to respond to is, I know about it, he has also said a lot more since including condemning Iran for its attack but that's all another topic that you refuse to post on and instead derail this. 

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Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Since when has pointing out the relevant topics been irrelevant?

 

You post a link to what Guterres said on the 3rd April, no not interested to respond to is, I know about it, he has also said a lot more since including condemning Iran for its attack but that's all another topic that you refuse to post on and instead derail this. 

And you still haven't addressed the fact that Israel attacked Iran's consulate. You must believe that the Israeli government is very naive not to believe that this would have invited a counterstrike from Iran.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

And you still haven't addressed the fact that Israel attacked Iran's consulate. You must believe that the Israeli government is very naive not to believe that this would have invited a counterstrike from Iran.

Yes I have, loads of times as have loads of other poeple

 

BREAKING NEWS! Iran potentially triggers World War 3

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324904-breaking-news-iran-potentially-triggers-world-war-3/

 

And 4 pages here 

 

Joe Biden expects Iran to attack Israel 'sooner than later'

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324851-joe-biden-expects-iran-to-attack-israel-sooner-than-later

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On 4/16/2024 at 7:35 AM, Bkk Brian said:

The US stating the obvious, although not so obvious for some members here.

 

US accuses Hamas of being ‘obstacle’ to Gaza truce after it rejected Israel’s proposal

Terror group said to give mediators a new draft, claims it can only free 20 ‘humanitarian’ hostages, demands permanent end to war, return to north Gaza for displaced civilians. 

“The bottom line is that they have rejected it, and if they did accept it, it would allow for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza of at least six weeks, which would benefit the Palestinian people whom they claim to represent. It would also allow us to continue improvements in the delivery of humanitarian assistance,” said Miller.

“The bottom line is Hamas needs to take that deal, and they need to explain to the world and to the Palestinian people why they aren’t taking it because it is Hamas right now that is the barrier and the obstacle to a ceasefire in Gaza,” he said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-accuses-hamas-of-being-obstacle-to-gaza-truce-after-rejecting-israels-proposal/

How could they be so blind? It's like someone who ignores the fact that the US has repeatedly reproached Israel for obstructing delivery of aid to the Palestinians in Gaza. Like someone who doesn't challenge the IDF and Cogat when it comes to this issue. I know, I know. I'm creating a fictional character. Nobody could be that naive. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

How could they be so blind? It's like someone who ignores the fact that the US has repeatedly reproached Israel for obstructing delivery of aid to the Palestinians in Gaza. Like someone who doesn't challenge the IDF and Cogat when it comes to this issue. I know, I know. I'm creating a fictional character. Nobody could be that naive. 

The post was about the hostages and not a fictional character

Edited April 17 by Bkk Brian

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3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The post was about the hostages and not a fictional character

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I have, loads of times as have loads of other poeple

 

BREAKING NEWS! Iran potentially triggers World War 3

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324904-breaking-news-iran-potentially-triggers-world-war-3/

 

And 4 pages here 

 

Joe Biden expects Iran to attack Israel 'sooner than later'

https://aseannow.com/topic/1324851-joe-biden-expects-iran-to-attack-israel-sooner-than-later

Thanks for the support. In both cases they cite the Israeli attack on the consulate as being a provocation.

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4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The post was about the hostages and not a fictional character

The post was typically one sided. A one sidedness that exposes the credulity of its author.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

The post was typically one sided. A one sidedness that exposes the credulity of its author.

The post was a factual your intent to make it personal is also factual but false in its personal slur

 

US accuses Hamas of being ‘obstacle’ to Gaza truce after it rejected Israel’s proposal

Terror group said to give mediators a new draft, claims it can only free 20 ‘humanitarian’ hostages, demands permanent end to war, return to north Gaza for displaced civilians. 

“The bottom line is that they have rejected it, and if they did accept it, it would allow for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza of at least six weeks, which would benefit the Palestinian people whom they claim to represent. It would also allow us to continue improvements in the delivery of humanitarian assistance,” said Miller.

“The bottom line is Hamas needs to take that deal, and they need to explain to the world and to the Palestinian people why they aren’t taking it because it is Hamas right now that is the barrier and the obstacle to a ceasefire in Gaza,” he said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-accuses-hamas-of-being-obstacle-to-gaza-truce-after-rejecting-israels-proposal/