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Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

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It is sad that around the world, overall, even in the mainstream media, now there is only very little talk about the hostages held by Hamas (and maybe also by other extremists). Where the heck is the majority of those hostages, is one question to ponder on. I think most people think they are being held in Rafah (in tunnels maybe or in so called safehouses or both), but to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of them have been taken to Egypt (consider the dozens of tunnels between Rafah and the Egyptian side). 

 

Also, just how many of the hostages are still alive, is another question. Some were probably killed by Israeli air strikes, some were probably killed in cold blood by terrorists at various times AFTER having been taken to Gaza, and some were killed on October 7 in Israel and then their bodies were taken to Gaza, as the  Israelis confirmed for some found  bodies already. 

 

I have a bad feeling that the no of hostages alive now is a very small number. I hope this is an incorrect feeling. 

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  • thaibeachlovers
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    Let's never forget that israel came to be when Irgun and Stern gang terrorism drove the British out of Palestine, and a terrorist ( Begin ) even  became PM. Born of terrorism, and IMO still uses

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    The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2023, the State of Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).  

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    Founded in 1987, Hamas opposed the secular approach of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, rejected attempts to cede any part of Palestine, and embraced th

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5 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

You know what China does in other countries? Invest in infrastructure. You know what the usa does? Builds a military base and ousts the leaders via coups and destabilizes the entire region. Again and again and again…

 

Also, anyone who doesn’t bend the knee to usa has false propaganda spread about them on the media. While Cuba, North Korea iran etc may not be perfect, they are far different from what we are told. 

China's investments in infrastructure are funded by Chinese lenders and built by Chinese companies using mostly Chinese labor.  In Pakistan, the new seaport and highway are part of China's New Silk Road (BRI). Now Pakistan is virtually bankrupt because they cannot service the debt created by these loans.  The same thing has happened in Sri Lanka. Both countries have appealed to the IMF to bail them out. These are two of the most glaring examples of what many call debt traps.

China has military bases in Djibouti and Cambodia and is negotiating with the Maldives.  They are also making a move in the Solomon Islands.

Also why is life in Cuba, North Korea and Iran different than we are being told and told by whom?

No outrage

 

8 Thai Nationals are being held hostage in Rafah. 

They have been held in harrowing conditions for 236 days. 

39 Thai Nationals were massacred on Oct 7th. 

 

 

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Jews "Judaizing " Jerusalem ?

As Al-Quds /Jerusalem was 100 % Jewish before Muslims took over the land , it could be said that Jews are taking Al-Quds back from the Muslim invaders 

 

Caring is sharing.

UNRWA facilities yet again

 

Tunnel shaft where troops were killed was in Rafah clinic, arms found in UNRWA school — IDF

A booby-trapped tunnel shaft that killed three soldiers in southern Gaza’s Rafah on Tuesday was located inside a medical clinic, the military says.

The IDF says that forces had come under anti-tank missile fire from an UNRWA school in Rafah, and in response launched a raid against the building and an adjacent mosque and clinic.

During searches in the area, a booby-trapped tunnel was discovered inside the clinic, which then exploded, killing three soldiers of the Nahal Brigade’s 50th Battalion.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/tunnel-shaft-where-troops-were-killed-was-in-rafah-clinic-arms-found-in-unrwa-school-idf/

 

 

Where the hostages bodies were found..........scary

 

The IDF says it has demolished a Hamas tunnel network in northern Gaza's Jabaliya, from which the bodies of seven hostages were recovered earlier this month. The bodies of Ron Benjamin, Itzhak Gelerenter, Amit Buskila, and Shani Louk were recovered on May 17, and the bodies of Orión Hernández Radoux, Hanan Yablonka, and Michel Nisenbaum were recovered on May 23. All seven were murdered by Hamas terrorists on October 7 and their bodies were kidnapped to Gaza, according to the IDF. The tunnel was demolished using engineering vehicles, mines, and other "technological means" by the elite Yahalom combat engineering unit, after the IDF ruled out the possibility of any more hostages being held in the area, the military adds.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Excellent news, a source of weapons now gone for Hamas:

 

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https://x.com/criticalthreats/status/1795973017454969115

 

 

Neutralizing Hamas is a slow, drawn out process, a job made very difficult and risky as Hamas is embedded in the civilian population with no concern for their lives.  Hiding out in schools and medical facilities is as low as you can go. 

Unfortunately, taking control of the border has antagonized the Egyptians.  Israel has no choice since Egypt has not been very effective in cutting off supplies and weapons to Hamas.  The IDF has been doing a good job of exposing how extensive the Hamas network is and destroying it piece by piece.

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“Decisive international action” – including sanctions and an arms embargo – must be imposed on Israel over its widely condemned assault on the southern Gaza city of Rafah, dozens of UN experts demand.

Israel’s attack on Rafah is not a “major operation”, the US State Department says, even though thousands of troops are in the area, dozens of Palestinians have been killed, and one million people displaced.

Israel’s military killed more than 60 people – including many women and children – in four days of attacks on “safe zones” in Rafah, Save the Children charity says.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/5/31/israels-war-on-gaza-live-unrelenting-nightmare-for-weary-palestinians

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

Neutralizing Hamas is a slow, drawn out process, a job made very difficult and risky as Hamas is embedded in the civilian population with no concern for their lives.  Hiding out in schools and medical facilities is as low as you can go. 

Unfortunately, taking control of the border has antagonized the Egyptians.  Israel has no choice since Egypt has not been very effective in cutting off supplies and weapons to Hamas.  The IDF has been doing a good job of exposing how extensive the Hamas network is and destroying it piece by piece.

The US has backed Israel on this move all the way for control of that border. But yes getting enough of the terrorists to stop them being a continuing threat will take a long time.

 

The White House said Tuesday that Israel’s offensive in Rafah had not amounted to the type of full-scale operation that would breach US President Joe Biden’s “red lines,” and said it had no plans to change its policy toward Israel.

16 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

“Decisive international action” – including sanctions and an arms embargo – must be imposed on Israel over its widely condemned assault on the southern Gaza city of Rafah, dozens of UN experts demand.

Israel’s attack on Rafah is not a “major operation”, the US State Department says, even though thousands of troops are in the area, dozens of Palestinians have been killed, and one million people displaced.

Israel’s military killed more than 60 people – including many women and children – in four days of attacks on “safe zones” in Rafah, Save the Children charity says.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/5/31/israels-war-on-gaza-live-unrelenting-nightmare-for-weary-palestinians

Caption on the article: "You rely on Al Jazeera for truth and transparency."

I say quite far from the truth and totally biased reporting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Caption on the article: "You rely on Al Jazeera for truth and transparency."

I say quite far from the truth and totally biased reporting.

 

 

 

I feel exactly the same when I see posts relating to Israeli actions reported by The Times of Israel, which cannot be verified by outside sources, everyone is entitled to an opinion on the news wherever it comes from surely.

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

I feel exactly the same when I see posts relating to Israeli actions reported by The Times of Israel, which cannot be verified by outside sources, everyone is entitled to an opinion on the news wherever it comes from surely.

Times of Israel has a far higher factual reporting credibility than AJ. In fact its on par with the New York Times and above the Washington Post.

 

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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/times-of-israel/

 

 

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After withdrawing from Jabalia refugee camp, it has been found that israeli forces have destroyed it. Israel continues to break every international law and America colludes to protect them.

America should be laughed out of the room next time they criticize any country for breaking international law.

 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/5/30/israels-war-on-gaza-live-no-safe-shelter-as-dozens-killed-in-rafah?update=2936963

Israel’s war on Gaza updates: Jabalia reduced to rubble after incursion

3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Caring is sharing.

I thought we were not supposed to be giving history lessons. Saying that Jerusalem was Jewish 2,000 years ago is hardly relevant now.

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I thought we were not supposed to be giving history lessons. Saying that Jerusalem was Jewish 2,000 years ago is hardly relevant now.

 

   So in the same way, its not relevant that Jerusalem used to be under Islamic rule and they have no claim to Jerusalem .

   Their claims to retake Jerusalem based in it previously being Islamic are irrelevant 

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

After withdrawing from Jabalia refugee camp, it has been found that israeli forces have destroyed it. Israel continues to break every international law and America colludes to protect them.

America should be laughed out of the room next time they criticize any country for breaking international law.

 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/5/30/israels-war-on-gaza-live-no-safe-shelter-as-dozens-killed-in-rafah?update=2936963

Israel’s war on Gaza updates: Jabalia reduced to rubble after incursion

Because there weren't masses of terrorists firing rockets and rpg's imbedded amongst the civilian infrastructure no? Didn't the IDF also get 7 murdered hostage bodies out of Jabalia tunnels? I wonder why that's not in the link you provided?

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Because there weren't masses of terrorists firing rockets and rpg's imbedded amongst the civilian infrastructure no? Didn't the IDF also get 7 murdered hostage bodies out of Jabalia tunnels? I wonder why that's not in the link you provided?

Because he's on their side........🤕

41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Israel continues to break every international law

 

   What International laws have Israel broken ?

49 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

After withdrawing from Jabalia refugee camp, it has been found that israeli forces have destroyed it. Israel continues to break every international law and America colludes to protect them.

America should be laughed out of the room next time they criticize any country for breaking international law.

 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/5/30/israels-war-on-gaza-live-no-safe-shelter-as-dozens-killed-in-rafah?update=2936963

Israel’s war on Gaza updates: Jabalia reduced to rubble after incursion

Just a couple of the murdered hostages bodies found in Jabalia tunnels...............

 

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3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The US has backed Israel on this move all the way for control of that border. But yes getting enough of the terrorists to stop them being a continuing threat will take a long time.

 

The White House said Tuesday that Israel’s offensive in Rafah had not amounted to the type of full-scale operation that would breach US President Joe Biden’s “red lines,” and said it had no plans to change its policy toward Israel.

Drip, drip, drip, still fills the bucket.

 

Unfortunately, I don't see The Don changing anything after his election.

16 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Drip, drip, drip, still fills the bucket.

 

Unfortunately, I don't see The Don changing anything after his election.

Yep, trawling for decent shop changing rooms.....😝

4 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

“Decisive international action” – including sanctions and an arms embargo – must be imposed on Israel over its widely condemned assault on the southern Gaza city of Rafah, dozens of UN experts demand.

Israel’s attack on Rafah is not a “major operation”, the US State Department says, even though thousands of troops are in the area, dozens of Palestinians have been killed, and one million people displaced.

Israel’s military killed more than 60 people – including many women and children – in four days of attacks on “safe zones” in Rafah, Save the Children charity says.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/5/31/israels-war-on-gaza-live-unrelenting-nightmare-for-weary-palestinians

 

   Honest reporting states that Israel didn't target a safe zone . 

It was Hamas ammunition that exploded 

 

"Israel Didn’t Target a Safe Zone in Rafah. So What Happened?

Almost eight months into the Israel-Hamas war, and the media have learned nothing in regard to blindly reporting Hamas’ propaganda. Although the investigation of the cause of the fire in Rafah is still underway, here are the details we do know."

 

https://honestreporting.com/israel-didnt-target-a-safe-zone-in-rafah-so-what-happened/

57 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Drip, drip, drip, still fills the bucket.

 

Unfortunately, I don't see The Don changing anything after his election.

I doubt that. 

4 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

I feel exactly the same when I see posts relating to Israeli actions reported by The Times of Israel, which cannot be verified by outside sources, everyone is entitled to an opinion on the news wherever it comes from surely.

Did I post a link or quote anything from The Times of Israel? 

15 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Did I post a link or quote anything from The Times of Israel? 

 

No you didn't, but you called into question AJ and I said I felt the same about The Times of Israel, what's your point?

9 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

No you didn't, but you called into question AJ and I said I felt the same about The Times of Israel, what's your point?

Just curious why you singled them out of the many other news media sites.

26 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Just curious why you singled them out of the many other news media sites.

 

To be totally honest I don't trust the majority of news media sites, especially where it's all about profits, kowtowing to owners etc etc, countries/states from whatever side only wanting their point of view published with no corroborating evidence from independent sources.

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

To be totally honest I don't trust the majority of news media sites, especially where it's all about profits, kowtowing to owners etc etc, countries/states from whatever side only wanting their point of view published with no corroborating evidence from independent sources.

So you prefer a media outlet that supports Hamas and employs them to spread their lies.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

So you prefer a media outlet that supports Hamas and employs them to spread their lies.

 

No, not at all, read and inwardly digest what I wrote.

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