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Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

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P.A. distancing itself from Hamas and Iran with their blood sacrifice war as far as possible.

 

PA slams Khamenei for Oct. 7 comments, says no need to spill Palestinian blood without chance at independence

The Palestinian people do not need wars that do not serve their ambitions for freedom and independence, the office of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas says in response to remarks by Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Khamenei said the Hamas-led October 7 attack on Israel had happened exactly at the moment the region needed it and that there had been a plan “by the US, Zionist individuals, their followers and some of the region’s countries to change the equation in the region.”

The Palestinian presidency responds by saying such remarks were clearly aimed at sacrificing Palestinian blood and would not lead to the establishment of an independent Palestinian state.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/pa-slams-khamenei-for-oct-7-comments-says-no-need-to-spill-palestinian-blood-without-chance-at-independence/

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    Let's never forget that israel came to be when Irgun and Stern gang terrorism drove the British out of Palestine, and a terrorist ( Begin ) even  became PM. Born of terrorism, and IMO still uses

  • Jeff the Chef
    Jeff the Chef

    The following is a list of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel. As of 2023, the State of Israel had been condemned in 45 resolutions by the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC).  

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    Jeff the Chef

    Founded in 1987, Hamas opposed the secular approach of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, rejected attempts to cede any part of Palestine, and embraced th

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"What haunts her most are the first hand accounts of rape from other female hostages, whispered to her in captivity. She holds their secrets, not divulging names to protect their privacy, and to not further endanger their lives."

 

More horrific and harrowing accounts from a released female hostage

 

Israeli Hostage’s Harrowing Account of Hamas Brutality

https://aseannow.com/topic/1328839-israeli-hostage’s-harrowing-account-of-hamas-brutality/

 

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The bombing of refugee camps continues.😔

 

https://aje.io/rpwd6w

Taken to the "Martyrs Hospital" says it all from Al Jazeera, forgetting to mention Hamas has been fighting from them.

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There are some wonderful Israeli's, the good:

 

Interfaith ‘march for peace’ held in capital, in counter to Jerusalem Day Flag March
Decrying use of religious rhetoric to promote war, liberal Jewish, Muslim, Christian and Druze religious leaders say event sends message of ‘peace, justice and equality’

Some two hundred people led by rabbis, sheikhs and priests marched through the center of Jerusalem on Monday evening in a display of cross-religious solidarity against the ongoing war in Gaza and the upcoming Jerusalem Day Flag March planned for Wednesday.

In the eyes of the organizers of the interfaith march, the Flag March — which annually sees thousands of religious nationalist Israelis parade through Jerusalem, including through the Muslim Quarter of the Old City — has become a “symbol of violence and occupation” over the years, often marred by hate speech and violence towards Palestinians.

“We decided to create a joint march that sends the opposite message, one of peace, justice and equality,” said Rabbis for Human Rights director Avi Dabush, an evacuee from Kibbutz Nirim who survived Hamas’s October 7 terror onslaught.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/interfaith-march-for-peace-held-in-capital-in-counter-to-jerusalem-day-flag-march/

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Using starvation as a weapon of war is considered a war crime under international law. The International Criminal Court (ICC) and various international humanitarian laws, including the Geneva Conventions, explicitly prohibit the deliberate use of starvation against civilian populations.

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

There are some wonderful Israeli's, the good:

 

Interfaith ‘march for peace’ held in capital, in counter to Jerusalem Day Flag March
Decrying use of religious rhetoric to promote war, liberal Jewish, Muslim, Christian and Druze religious leaders say event sends message of ‘peace, justice and equality’

Some two hundred people led by rabbis, sheikhs and priests marched through the center of Jerusalem on Monday evening in a display of cross-religious solidarity against the ongoing war in Gaza and the upcoming Jerusalem Day Flag March planned for Wednesday.

In the eyes of the organizers of the interfaith march, the Flag March — which annually sees thousands of religious nationalist Israelis parade through Jerusalem, including through the Muslim Quarter of the Old City — has become a “symbol of violence and occupation” over the years, often marred by hate speech and violence towards Palestinians.

“We decided to create a joint march that sends the opposite message, one of peace, justice and equality,” said Rabbis for Human Rights director Avi Dabush, an evacuee from Kibbutz Nirim who survived Hamas’s October 7 terror onslaught.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/interfaith-march-for-peace-held-in-capital-in-counter-to-jerusalem-day-flag-march/

More democracy at work. Never possible when Hamas took forced control of Gaza in 2007 and didn’t allow any elections since. Any updates on the war?

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A nightmare’: North cries out for action amid widespread fires sparked by Hezbollah. 

View of a large fire caused by rockets fired from Lebanon in the town of Kiryat Shmona, June 3, 2024

 

The other Front where Israel is trying to avoid a war. Over 10 civilians and soldiers injured by fire from Hezbollah missiles. The Israeli fore department has reported that after 9 hours of working to contain the fire the overnight blaze is now finally getting under control.  Residents and local authorities in northern Israel demanded Tuesday that the government take clear action to restore security, as bushfires sparked by Hezbollah rockets launched from Lebanon spread across large swaths of territory, with emergency services straining to control the blazes.

 

A spokesperson for Kiryat Shmona, where fires lapped overnight at the outskirts of the evacuated border city, lamented that the government was failing to provide even the most basic level of security for residents. Opposition lawmakers panned the government for failing to control what has been an escalating border conflict with the Iran-backed Hezbollah terror group, while far-right ministers declared it was time to go to war in Lebanon, a course of action the government has sought to avoid as Israel is already fighting the Palestinian terror group Hamas in the Gaza Strip, with as yet no clear end to that conflict in sight after eight months of war.

 

The city, along with many other communities close to the Lebanon border, was largely evacuated of residents when Hezbollah began attacking over the boundary on October 8, the day after Palestinian terror group Hamas led a devastating attack on Israel that opened the war in Gaza. Hezbollah, which has reached further and further into northern Israel with increased rocket and drone attacks, says it is acting in support of the Palestinians. As he was talking to Kan, Shnaper said he could hear explosions in the area of the border.

 

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The Israeli military continues its bombardment of Gaza, targeting all corners of the strip, resulting in increasing civilian casualties. In Deir el-Balah, an airstrike on an apartment block killed at least nine Palestinians.

 

From the video you can see that the IDF don't care about bombing heavily populated refugee camps .

 

 

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

The Israeli military continues its bombardment of Gaza, targeting all corners of the strip, resulting in increasing civilian casualties. In Deir el-Balah, an airstrike on an apartment block killed at least nine Palestinians.

 

From the video you can see that the IDF don't care about bombing heavily populated refugee camps .

 

 

Were they Hamas terrorists killed? It looked like a very targeted strike that she said killed at least 6 Palestinians? The IDF does not make precision strikes like that to kill civilians.

VIDEO: The @IDF has released new footage of a Hamas terror training facility in the Bureij camp in the Gaza Strip. (old vid but evidences Hamas previous bases there)

 

 

Biden: People have 'every reason' to believe Netanyahu is prolonging Gaza war
The US president said the Israeli prime minister seems to want the war in Gaza to continue for his political survival.

 

US President Joe Biden said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has given people "every reason" to believe he is prolonging the war on Gaza to save his political career.

Biden's remarks, published on Tuesday in an interview with Time Magazine, echoed sentiments regularly voiced by analysts and western officials, suggesting that Netanyahu believes his political fortunes are best served by continuing the war.

"There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion," Biden said, although his administration had just a day earlier laid the blame for a delay in a ceasefire squarely on Hamas.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/gaza-war-biden-every-reason-believe-netanyahu-prolonging-conflict

More media bias going on with little snippets, context matters.

 

Asked whether Netanyahu wanted the war to continue for his own political self-preservation, Biden initially replied, “I’m not going to comment on that.” But then he said: “There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion.” Biden, however, used the wide-ranging interview to offer qualified support for Netanyahu. He said Hamas was at fault not only for starting the war, but also failing to reach an agreement that could temporarily halt the fighting and lead to hostage releases. He said it was “uncertain” if Israel had committed war crimes. And he pushed back on former President Donald Trump’s criticism that Netanyahu is to blame for allowing the Oct. 7 attack to happen on his watch.

 

Time Interview

‘We Are the World Power.’ How Joe Biden Leads

 

Time full transcript

https://time.com/6984968/joe-biden-transcript-2024-interview/

https://archive.ph/jkeUc

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11 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

More media bias going on with little snippets, context matters.

 

Asked whether Netanyahu wanted the war to continue for his own political self-preservation, Biden initially replied, “I’m not going to comment on that.” But then he said: “There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion.” Biden, however, used the wide-ranging interview to offer qualified support for Netanyahu. He said Hamas was at fault not only for starting the war, but also failing to reach an agreement that could temporarily halt the fighting and lead to hostage releases. He said it was “uncertain” if Israel had committed war crimes. And he pushed back on former President Donald Trump’s criticism that Netanyahu is to blame for allowing the Oct. 7 attack to happen on his watch.

 

Time Interview

‘We Are the World Power.’ How Joe Biden Leads

 

Time full transcript

https://time.com/6984968/joe-biden-transcript-2024-interview/

https://archive.ph/jkeUc

So, on the one hand, Biden said it was "uncertain" that Israel had committed war crimes, but on the other he's condemned the ICJ for indicting 3 Israelis involved in the prosecution of the war.

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So, on the one hand, Biden said it was "uncertain" that Israel had committed war crimes, but on the other he's condemned the ICJ for indicting 3 Israelis involved in the prosecution of the war.

He's uncertain what he had for breakfast. 

He is totally biased towards Israel. 

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So, on the one hand, Biden said it was "uncertain" that Israel had committed war crimes, but on the other he's condemned the ICJ for indicting 3 Israelis involved in the prosecution of the war.

Actually its the ICC not ICJ and yes Biden was condemning them for being outrageous and with "no equivalence — none — between Israel and Hamas". The specific ICC arrest warrant charges are not warranted in his opinion, that does not mean Israel or any individual battalions or soldiers may have not committed other war crimes. Not sure what so difficult to understand about that.

 

There are a few ICC and ICJ topics going round if you want to expand on this with me.

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Actually its the ICC not ICJ and yes Biden was condemning them for being outrageous and with "no equivalence — none — between Israel and Hamas". The specific ICC arrest warrant charges are not warranted in his opinion, that does not mean Israel or any individual battalions or soldiers may have not committed other war crimes. Not sure what so difficult to understand about that.

 

There are a few ICC and ICJ topics going round if you want to expand on this with me.

Given that he claims that the commission of war crimes is uncertain, how can he be so categorical in his statements? We do know that several experts in the State Dept resigned in protest of the exoneration by the State Dept of the supply situation in Gaza after the State Dept took the investigation out of their hands.

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Given that he claims that the commission of war crimes is uncertain, how can he be so categorical in his statements? We do know that several experts in the State Dept resigned in protest of the exoneration by the State Dept of the supply situation in Gaza after the State Dept took the investigation out of their hands.

Given that he claims that the commission of war crimes is uncertain, how can he be so categorical in his statements? 

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

There are a few ICC and ICJ topics going round if you want to expand on this with me.

 

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Given that he claims that the commission of war crimes is uncertain, how can he be so categorical in his statements? 

 

Thanks for the invitation.

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Given that he claims that the commission of war crimes is uncertain, how can he be so categorical in his statements? We do know that several experts in the State Dept resigned in protest of the exoneration by the State Dept of the supply situation in Gaza after the State Dept took the investigation out of their hands.

I think one's on CNN and the other two went to CNBC. 

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Israel Secretly Targets U.S. Lawmakers With Influence Campaign on Gaza War

Israel’s Ministry of Diaspora Affairs ordered the operation, which used fake social media accounts urging U.S. lawmakers to fund Israel’s military, according to officials and documents about the effort.

 

Israel organized and paid for an influence campaign last year targeting U.S. lawmakers and the American public with pro-Israel messaging, as it aimed to foster support for its actions in the war with Gaza, according to officials involved in the effort and documents related to the operation.

The covert campaign was commissioned by Israel’s Ministry of Diaspora Affairs, a government body that connects Jews around the world with the State of Israel, four Israeli officials said. The ministry allocated about $2 million to the operation and hired Stoic, a political marketing firm in Tel Aviv, to carry it out, according to the officials and the documents.

The campaign began in October and remains active on the platform X. At its peak, it used hundreds of fake accounts that posed as real Americans on X, Facebook and Instagram to post pro-Israel comments. The accounts focused on U.S. lawmakers, particularly ones who are Black and Democrats, such as Representative Hakeem Jeffries, the House minority leader from New York, and Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia, with posts urging them to continue funding Israel’s military.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/05/technology/israel-campaign-gaza-social-media.html?unlocked_article_code=1.xU0.K-9d.nc6wnV7jy8jG&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&u2g=i&sgrp=c-cb

Is there any shortage of Hamas supporters lobbying congress?  

This isn't a local war between Israel and Hamas. Israel is under attack on seven fronts by Iran and its proxy armies, including the Houthi Pirates of Yemen.

 

10 wounded after Hezbollah drone makes impact in Horfesh, northern Israel

 

 

On 6/5/2024 at 2:53 AM, Jeff the Chef said:

Biden: People have 'every reason' to believe Netanyahu is prolonging Gaza war
The US president said the Israeli prime minister seems to want the war in Gaza to continue for his political survival.

 

US President Joe Biden said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has given people "every reason" to believe he is prolonging the war on Gaza to save his political career.

Biden's remarks, published on Tuesday in an interview with Time Magazine, echoed sentiments regularly voiced by analysts and western officials, suggesting that Netanyahu believes his political fortunes are best served by continuing the war.

"There is every reason for people to draw that conclusion," Biden said, although his administration had just a day earlier laid the blame for a delay in a ceasefire squarely on Hamas.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/gaza-war-biden-every-reason-believe-netanyahu-prolonging-conflict

Most of us knew that already, so the question now is what is Biden going to do about it?

An Israeli air strike on a UN school packed with hundreds of displaced people in central Gaza has killed more than 20 people, local residents say.

The Israeli military said it carried out a strike on a UN school that housed a "Hamas compound".

Local journalists told the BBC that an Israeli warplane fired two missiles at classrooms on the top floor of the school in the Nuseirat refugee camp.

The Hamas media office said at least 27 people were killed and accused Israel of committing a "horrific massacre".

Ambulances and rescue teams have been rushing the wounded and dead to a nearby hospital.

Footage on social media showed destroyed classrooms and dead bodies wrapped in shrouds at a morgue.

"Enough war! We have been displaced dozens of times. They killed our children while they were sleeping," a woman injured in the attack screamed in one video.

Ismail al-Thawabta, director of the Hamas media office, rejected Israel's claims that the UN school had hidden a Hamas command post.

"The occupation uses ... false fabricated stories to justify the brutal crime it conducted against dozens of displaced people," he told Reuters.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said jets had conducted a "precise strike on a Hamas compound embedded inside an UNRWA school in the area of Nuseirat".

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crggq0jygq6o

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