Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[Social Media]

On 6/2/2024 at 5:57 PM, Social Media said:

Please continue discussions of new ceasefire proposal in one of the topics dedicated for them, thank you.

 

Biden Pushes for End to Israel-Hamas War with New Ceasefire Proposal

 

Israeli Families Claim Netanyahu Requires Positive Polling for Hostage Release Deal

 

Netanyahu Stresses No Permanent Ceasefire Until Hamas Is Crushed and Hostages Freed

 

Hamas Ready for 'Complete Agreement' if Israel Ceases Hostilities

 

Yet again another reminder. The full text on speech of the proposal is also contained here. The reason dedicated topics are made it to keep relevant informations in easy accessible threads.

 

[Jeff the Chef]

Israel eyes war in Lebanon, but Hezbollah poses unique threat
Netanyahu has neither the US backing nor the bombs for a conflict with the Lebanese political party, and the consequences for Israelis could be catastrophic

 

Ever since it became clear that Israel’s ground attack on Gaza would be unprecedented and carry on for months without end, the region has been acutely aware of the risk of the conflict spreading like wildfire to the Lebanese border.

In the last few days, this metaphor became a reality.

Firefighters on Tuesday battled flames around Kiryat Shmona, brushfires set off by a volley of drones and missiles fired by Hezbollah.

The undeclared war in the north between Hezbollah and the Israeli army has been intensifying, with each side trading heavier blows across an ever-widening area.

Israel targeted senior Hezbollah commanders deep in the Beqaa valley. In response, Hezbollah demonstrated that its rocket force is qualitatively different from Hamas’s arsenal.

Israeli soldiers take shelter in an underpass in Hurfeish in northern Israel, 5 June 2024 (Reuters/Avi Ohayon)

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-hungers-war-lebanon-hezbollah-poses-vastly-different-challenge

 

[Neeranam]

More dead, injured as Israel continues attacks on central Gaza refugee camps

As well as the attacks that were reported earlier on the Nuseirat refugee camp that killed five people, and the four people killed and six injured in the Maghazi refugee camp, Israeli forces have also carried out air, land and sea attacks on northern, central and southern Gaza.

 

 

https://aje.io/t7k6fn?update=2957586

[transam]

15 hours ago, Neeranam said:

You are correct, tunnel being found is totally irrelevant to what is going on in Gaza. 

Also, they had a valid reason for building tunnels as the Israeli blockade tightened.

 

Are you saying they just built them...........🤣..................................🤣

You can't make this sh_t up.............

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

More dead, injured as Israel continues attacks on central Gaza refugee camps

As well as the attacks that were reported earlier on the Nuseirat refugee camp that killed five people, and the four people killed and six injured in the Maghazi refugee camp, Israeli forces have also carried out air, land and sea attacks on northern, central and southern Gaza.

 

 

https://aje.io/t7k6fn?update=2957586

Yes there will be more dead everyday Neeranam. Ask Hamas to stop by releasing some hostages please. By the way, how many of those were terrorists? Here's one of those tunnels entrances found in Rafah, in a child's bedroom. A new take on human human shields. Time to free Gaza from Hamas yes?

 

https://x.com/Israel/status/1798676111020396581

https://nypost.com/2024/06/06/world-news/hamas-tunnel-found-by-idf-in-childs-bedroom-in-rafah/

[xylophone]

On 6/6/2024 at 8:47 AM, Bkk Brian said:

More terrorists using UNRWA schools eliminated!

 

https://x.com/JoeTruzman/status/1798519902846005477

 

No surprise that Hamas terrorists are using Palestinian men, women and children as shields in one form or another, because they are gutless cowards and have no regard for the lives of the Palestinians that they are basically sacrificing, when they are supposed to be looking after their welfare.

 

No doubt there are going to be lots of posts regarding the death of these Palestinians and blaming the IDF, when the blame should be sheeted to the Hamas cowards who continue to carry out such blatant tactics as using Palestinians as shields.

 

And before the whingeing starts, it's only to be expected that civilians will be casualties in any war, and Hamas should have realised this and probably did, trying to carry out a win-win situation – – i.e. they can attack the Israelis and consider it a win hiding behind innocent people, and on the other hand if the Israelis retaliate, and in the course of this retaliation, Palestinian civilians are killed, then it furthers their propaganda with regards to garnering condemnation of Israel and support of their cause. All in all it's a nonsense.

 

Civilians are killed in every war and it's an historical fact, and if one looks back at Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the millions of civilians killed in those cities, who had nothing to do with the actual war, but it was justified by the world and still is. Furthermore the carpet bombing of Dresden killed many innocent people and that was part of war, just as the bombing of the cities in the UK by the Germans was – – so war is what it is and I sincerely hope that the IDF continue with their campaign to eradicate Hamas.

[Neeranam]

24 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Civilians are killed in every war and it's an historical fact, and if one looks back at Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the millions of civilians killed in those cities, who had nothing to do with the actual war, but it was justified by the world and still is. Furthermore the carpet bombing of Dresden killed many innocent people and that was part of war, just as the bombing of the cities in the UK by the Germans was – – so war is what it is and I sincerely hope that the IDF continue with their campaign to eradicate Hamas.

Are you saying Hiroshima was not a war crime? 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Are you saying Hiroshima was not a war crime? 

Was it, what was the outcome.....?

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Israel eyes war in Lebanon, but Hezbollah poses unique threat
Netanyahu has neither the US backing nor the bombs for a conflict with the Lebanese political party, and the consequences for Israelis could be catastrophic

 

Ever since it became clear that Israel’s ground attack on Gaza would be unprecedented and carry on for months without end, the region has been acutely aware of the risk of the conflict spreading like wildfire to the Lebanese border.

In the last few days, this metaphor became a reality.

Firefighters on Tuesday battled flames around Kiryat Shmona, brushfires set off by a volley of drones and missiles fired by Hezbollah.

The undeclared war in the north between Hezbollah and the Israeli army has been intensifying, with each side trading heavier blows across an ever-widening area.

Israel targeted senior Hezbollah commanders deep in the Beqaa valley. In response, Hezbollah demonstrated that its rocket force is qualitatively different from Hamas’s arsenal.

Israeli soldiers take shelter in an underpass in Hurfeish in northern Israel, 5 June 2024 (Reuters/Avi Ohayon)

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-hungers-war-lebanon-hezbollah-poses-vastly-different-challenge

 

I suspect netanyahu is reluctant to take on Hezbollah, given they will not be sitting ducks that he can bomb with impunity. It's going to be embarrassing when the boys from the "best army in the world" start coming back in a bag.

IMO it'll be a few bomb runs and artillery fire as already happening.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I suspect netanyahu is reluctant to take on Hezbollah, given they will not be sitting ducks that he can bomb with impunity. It's going to be embarrassing when the boys from the "best army in the world" start coming back in a bag.

IMO it'll be a few bomb runs and artillery fire as already happening.

Hezbollah is another terrorist organization backed by Iran that wants to wipe out Israel. Israel is not afraid of them as much as you want them to be. 

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

No surprise that Hamas terrorists are using Palestinian men, women and children as shields in one form or another, because they are gutless cowards and have no regard for the lives of the Palestinians that they are basically sacrificing, when they are supposed to be looking after their welfare.

 

No doubt there are going to be lots of posts regarding the death of these Palestinians and blaming the IDF, when the blame should be sheeted to the Hamas cowards who continue to carry out such blatant tactics as using Palestinians as shields.

 

And before the whingeing starts, it's only to be expected that civilians will be casualties in any war, and Hamas should have realised this and probably did, trying to carry out a win-win situation – – i.e. they can attack the Israelis and consider it a win hiding behind innocent people, and on the other hand if the Israelis retaliate, and in the course of this retaliation, Palestinian civilians are killed, then it furthers their propaganda with regards to garnering condemnation of Israel and support of their cause. All in all it's a nonsense.

 

Civilians are killed in every war and it's an historical fact, and if one looks back at Nagasaki and Hiroshima and the millions of civilians killed in those cities, who had nothing to do with the actual war, but it was justified by the world and still is. Furthermore the carpet bombing of Dresden killed many innocent people and that was part of war, just as the bombing of the cities in the UK by the Germans was – – so war is what it is and I sincerely hope that the IDF continue with their campaign to eradicate Hamas.

It sounds like you are trying to justify the genocide of Gazans. 

This is your subjective interpretation of Hamas' actions based on your position/religion/beliefs/nationality - extremely polarized. Others see these actions as a noble fight for freedom against oppression. 

What do you think would happen if Hamas fought the IDF and their advanced American weaponry on a battlefield?

 

[transam]

18 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

It sounds like you are trying to justify the genocide of Gazans. 

This is your subjective interpretation of Hamas' actions based on your position/religion/beliefs/nationality - extremely polarized. Others see these actions as a noble fight for freedom against oppression. 

What do you think would happen if Hamas fought the IDF and their advanced American weaponry on a battlefield?

 

You never heard of a longbow then..........🙄

And you say you are a teacher of some sort.........😂

[coolcarer]

16 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

It sounds like you are trying to justify the genocide of Gazans. 

This is your subjective interpretation of Hamas' actions based on your position/religion/beliefs/nationality - extremely polarized. Others see these actions as a noble fight for freedom against oppression. 

What do you think would happen if Hamas fought the IDF and their advanced American weaponry on a battlefield?

 

It’s Hamas that has openly said it will sacrifice its civilians. Human sacrifice is is central to its strategy. 
 

But I more more interested in your take. Depending on which day of the week it is the Hamas terrorists should be eliminated. O rare you now saying  they are freedom fighters? Time to man up and stop ignoring hard questions.

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hezbollah is another terrorist organization backed by Iran that wants to wipe out Israel. Israel is not afraid of them as much as you want them to be. 

 

Really, many leaders of nations have been at war over the years and found out to their costs fighting on 2 fronts is not a good idea.

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I suspect netanyahu is reluctant to take on Hezbollah, given they will not be sitting ducks that he can bomb with impunity. It's going to be embarrassing when the boys from the "best army in the world" start coming back in a bag.

IMO it'll be a few bomb runs and artillery fire as already happening.

The numbers don't match your opinions. Facts don't match your opinions. Same old from you.

 

At least 320 terrorists have been killed in Lebanon, including 250 Hezbollah members, including at least 40 in Syria, 25 Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad members. 

 

Israeli soldiers killed, 11

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hezbollah_conflict_(2023–present)

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Really, many leaders of nations have been at war over the years and found out to their costs fighting on 2 fronts is not a good idea.

Would you prefer Hamas and Hezbollah to wipe out Israel? As a Hamas supporter there's really no need to answer that.

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Would you prefer Hamas and Hezbollah to wipe out Israel? As a Hamas supporter there's really no need to answer that.

 

As you asked the question, despite your silliness I will answer the question.

I don't want Israel wiped out in any way shape or form,  never have, never will.

Israel just need to comply with UN Resolutions, move back behind the Greenline, dismantle all their illegal walls, and point all their weapons inwards, and shut the hell up. Simples.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

As you asked the question, despite your silliness I will answer the question.

I don't want Israel wiped out in any way shape or form,  never have, never will.

Israel just need to comply with UN Resolutions, move back behind the Greenline, dismantle all their illegal walls, and point all their weapons inwards, and shut the hell up. Simples.

Why silliness? you've made it explicit you support Hamas. The terrorists. 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why silliness? you've made it explicit you support Hamas. The terrorists. 

Indeed, I wonder if his mum knows........😱

[Jeff the Chef]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why silliness? you've made it explicit you support Hamas. The terrorists. 

 

Infantile comments about me from you are the joy of my life.

Let me state clearly, I support the Palestinians Leaders, elected rightly or wrongly, as Winston Churchill said “Democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time”.

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Infantile comments about me from you are the joy of my life.

Let me state clearly, I support the Palestinians Leaders, elected rightly or wrongly, as Winston Churchill said “Democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time”.

Infantile comments?

 

Pretty clear what you said, you even backed it up by saying you mean every word.

 

"Whatever Hamas does is lawful and above board"

 

Hamas were also not elected, they siezed control from Fatah in the Battle of Gaza 2007

[Jeff the Chef]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Infantile comments?

 

Pretty clear what you said, you even backed it up by saying you mean every word.

 

"Whatever Hamas does is lawful and above board"

 

 

 

Were Hamas elected by the Palestinians in Gaza?

Are the Israeli's lawfully running an Apartheid state as an open prison/concentration camp?

Does the world of public opinion think that what the Israeli's are doing, have done is OK in the 21st Century?

Could anyone believe that the "Most Moral Army, the IDF" are as honest as the day is long?

[Jeff the Chef]

30 minutes ago, transam said:

Indeed, I wonder if his mum knows........😱

 No I doubt it, she died in childbirth, RIP Mum.

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Were Hamas elected by the Palestinians in Gaza?

Are the Israeli's lawfully running an Apartheid state as an open prison/concentration camp?

Does the world of public opinion think that what the Israeli's are doing, have done is OK in the 21st Century?

Could anyone believe that the "Most Moral Army, the IDF" are as honest as the day is long?

Were Hamas elected by the Palestinians in Gaza?

 

No, they seized control from Fatah in the battle of Gaza. Check your history. The rest of your questions have nothing to do with your self professed support for Hamas terrorists.

[Jeff the Chef]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Were Hamas elected by the Palestinians in Gaza?

 

No, they seized control from Fatah in the battle of Gaza. Check your history. The rest of your questions have nothing to do with your self professed support for Hamas.

 

Are you a member of the IDF?

 

Your lying or WiKi is:

 

Legislative elections were held in the Palestinian territories on 25 January 2006 in order to elect the second Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC), the legislature of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA). The result was a victory for Hamas, contesting under the list name of Change and Reform, which received 44.45% of the vote and won 74 of the 132 seats, whilst the ruling Fatah received 41.43% of the vote and won 45 seats.[1]

The newly elected PLC met for the first time on 18 February 2006. Incumbent Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei tendered his resignation on 26 January 2006, but remained interim Prime Minister at the request of President Mahmoud Abbas. On 20 February, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was nominated to form a new government. The new government with Haniyeh as Prime Minister was sworn in on 29 March. As of May 2024, no new elections have been held since this one.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election#Opinion_polls

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Are you a member of the IDF?

 

Your lying or WiKi is:

 

Legislative elections were held in the Palestinian territories on 25 January 2006 in order to elect the second Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC), the legislature of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA). The result was a victory for Hamas, contesting under the list name of Change and Reform, which received 44.45% of the vote and won 74 of the 132 seats, whilst the ruling Fatah received 41.43% of the vote and won 45 seats.[1]

The newly elected PLC met for the first time on 18 February 2006. Incumbent Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei tendered his resignation on 26 January 2006, but remained interim Prime Minister at the request of President Mahmoud Abbas. On 20 February, Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was nominated to form a new government. The new government with Haniyeh as Prime Minister was sworn in on 29 March. As of May 2024, no new elections have been held since this one.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election#Opinion_polls

 

No I am not. 

 

The Battle of Gaza or the Gaza civil war was a brief civil war between Fatah and Hamas that took place in the Gaza Strip from 10 to 15 June 2007. It was a prominent event in the Fatah–Hamas conflict, centered on the struggle for power after Fatah lost the 2006 Palestinian legislative election. The battle resulted in the dissolution of the unity government[3] and the de facto division of the Palestinian territories into two entities: the West Bank governed by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), and the Gaza Strip governed by Hamas. Hamas fighters took control of the Gaza Strip, while Fatah officials were either taken as prisoners, executed, or expelled.[3][4] The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights reported that at least 161 people were killed and more than 700 were wounded during the fighting.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)

 

 

Britain's foreign secretary, Margaret Beckett, took an uncompromising line towards Hamas.

"The notion that somehow mounting a coup d'etat is something that should be rewarded by the international community seems to me to be completely bizarre," she told the BBC's World At One programme.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/15/israel4

 

This is off topic so will be my last post on history

[Social Media]

Post making numerous unsubstaniated claims has been removed along with a reply. Posts from same poster subsequently comments on moderation have also been removed.

 

"Any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source."

 

Lets keep this on topic please.

[cdnvic]

Getting real tired of people simply reporting minor issues about people they are disagreeing with. While we appreciate reports of serious violations, moderators are not here to fight your battles for you.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 No I doubt it, she died in childbirth, RIP Mum.

Then she may probably know............🥺

[owl sees all]

This is escalating. The beginning of the end of the Israel state as we know it.