2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Killing a truce negotiator is a surefire way to demonstrate Netanyahu's desire for peace.

 

Who was Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas political leader killed in Tehran?

As Hamas’s political leader, he was a key interlocutor with international mediators during stalled hostage and ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas, following the group’s October 7 attack on Israel.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/31/middleeast/ismail-haniyeh-death-hamas-profile-intl-hnk/index.html

 

 

He was not negotiating for peace. He was representing Hamas. There was no intent from Hamas to negotiate peace. Multiple ceasefire/truce agreements had been presented and agreed upon in principle, but then always refused by Hamas. As an integral party to the attack of October 7 and the  breaking of the truce that had in place, he had no credibility.  He was a dead man walking.

8 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

He was not negotiating for peace. He was representing Hamas. There was no intent from Hamas to negotiate peace. Multiple ceasefire/truce agreements had been presented and agreed upon in principle, but then always refused by Hamas. As an integral party to the attack of October 7 and the  breaking of the truce that had in place, he had no credibility.  He was a dead man walking.

Thanks for the mindreading comments.

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Killing a truce negotiator is a surefire way to demonstrate Netanyahu's desire for peace.

 

Who was Ismail Haniyeh, the Hamas political leader killed in Tehran?

As Hamas’s political leader, he was a key interlocutor with international mediators during stalled hostage and ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas, following the group’s October 7 attack on Israel.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/31/middleeast/ismail-haniyeh-death-hamas-profile-intl-hnk/index.html

 

 

   If he tried a bit harder for a negotiate settlement ,  then maybe he wouldn't have been killed ?

   Haniyeh was part of a murderous war criminal gang and Israel wanted him dead , rather than talk to him 

9 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

He was not negotiating for peace. He was representing Hamas. There was no intent from Hamas to negotiate peace. Multiple ceasefire/truce agreements had been presented and agreed upon in principle, but then always refused by Hamas. As an integral party to the attack of October 7 and the  breaking of the truce that had in place, he had no credibility.  He was a dead man walking.

As Blinken said. Sinwar is the one who calls the shots, not the leaders in Qatar who are doing his bidding.

Israel has demonstrated to the Mad Mullahs that they can attack anytime, and anyplace, even in Tehran.

 

Guess its up to the Mullahs to decide they want their terror regime to die a natural death, or an unnatural one

44 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Israel has demonstrated to the Mad Mullahs that they can attack anytime, and anyplace, even in Tehran.

 

Guess its up to the Mullahs to decide they want their terror regime to die a natural death, or an unnatural one

 

Spare a kind thought for the Iranians who most likely assisted the Israeli agents. A large number of Iranians are not supporters of the religious regime. As we can see from the Iranians who have fled Iran for the west, they are often educated and secular, and  have no use for Hamas, Hezbollah and other radical groups. I anticipate that the Iranians will be  torturing and killing many Iranian dissidents in the weeks to come.

On 7/24/2024 at 10:20 AM, Neeranam said:

I ask again -  how many are cheering in the video you posted?

I don't hear any cheering, just one woman wailing.

 

It's impossible to say exactly how many women's voices are heard. but it is more than one.The women in the video aren't wailing or screaming.  They were trilling, also called ululation.  It's a traditional Arabic vocalization used to express celebration in many situations, from weddings to the parading of hostages.  It has the equivalent function of cheering (Yay! Hooray!) or clapping approval/appreciation in Western countries.

 

The video clip below is  an illustration of trilling.  Other than by type example, it is not related to Palestinian celebrations on  Oct. 7

 Link to the video clip:  https://youtu.be/Md7OvU5JIcI?si=kEo_VUqJK5ocpfNg

 

Here's a better example of Gazans cheering the taking of hostages on Oct. 7:

 

 

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

If Netanyahu and Gallant are innocent why are they not willing to go before the I.C.C. to prove their innocents?

The obligation is upon the accuser to prove the allegation. Your position is one of a presumption of guilt. That is how it works in Iran, North Korea, Yemen and a few other despot states. You would not accept if you were accused of a crime and then told to prove that you are not. Why then do you expect that you can demand it of others?

 

Once the arrest warrant has been issued for netanyahu, do you agree that he should front up at the ICC if he is innocent of the charges?

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

He was not negotiating for peace. He was representing Hamas. There was no intent from Hamas to negotiate peace. Multiple ceasefire/truce agreements had been presented and agreed upon in principle, but then always refused by Hamas. As an integral party to the attack of October 7 and the  breaking of the truce that had in place, he had no credibility.  He was a dead man walking.

Previously he agreed to a release of hostages. Now that he's been assassinated how much chance do you give the remaining ones of being released alive?

15 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Spare a kind thought for the Iranians who most likely assisted the Israeli agents. A large number of Iranians are not supporters of the religious regime. As we can see from the Iranians who have fled Iran for the west, they are often educated and secular, and  have no use for Hamas, Hezbollah and other radical groups. I anticipate that the Iranians will be  torturing and killing many Iranian dissidents in the weeks to come.

At one time yes, but not the ones "fleeing" to the west in the last 30-40 years. 

Iran issued as NOTAM restricting air traffic over Ismail Haniyeh's funeral in Tehran, which did little to comfort Ali Khamenei who kept nervously looking skyward during his eulogy. 

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Previously he agreed to a release of hostages. Now that he's been assassinated how much chance do you give the remaining ones of being released alive?

 

 Please provide context. When did he last agree to a release of hostages because as of 24 July 2024, 115 hostages remained in captivity in the Gaza Strip, 111 of whom had been abducted on 7 October 2023; the other four hostages having been captured earlier. All decisions on the hostages are made by Sinwar and others who are safe in Qatar. Perhaps you are unaware, but the hostages are not all held by Hamas. Multiple  groups hold the hostages.   The likelihood of  these groups releasing the hostages has always been remote. The sad reality is that the hostages were lost once several weeks passed. They are only held now for the pleasure of their captors.  

20 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   If he tried a bit harder for a negotiate settlement ,  then maybe he wouldn't have been killed ?

   Haniyeh was part of a murderous war criminal gang and Israel wanted him dead , rather than talk to him 

What a brilliant negotiating tactic! If we judge that you're not trying hard enough, we'll kill you. It is to laugh.

Just now, placeholder said:

What a brilliant negotiating tactic! If we judge that you're not trying hard enough, we'll kill you. It is to laugh.

 

  As a Hamas leader , he was told that he would be killed . 

He would be killed for his part in organising Oct 7 th .

He could have negotiated himself not being killed by making concessions and say , releasing the hostages and him not being killed.

  He had a death sentence anyway ,  negotiations could have lifted that death sentence 

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What a brilliant negotiating tactic! If we judge that you're not trying hard enough, we'll kill you. It is to laugh.

Well, if the negotiator before me was killed for refusing to negotiate, I would be a lot more accommodating.  

The house of cards.....

 

https://x.com/Ostrov_A/status/1818618596538323405

 

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  As a Hamas leader , he was told that he would be killed . 

He would be killed for his part in organising Oct 7 th .

He could have negotiated himself not being killed by making concessions and say , releasing the hostages and him not being killed.

  He had a death sentence anyway ,  negotiations could have lifted that death sentence 

Great idea. A negotiator prioritized himself over  the interests of the group he represents. This is comedy gold.

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

What a brilliant negotiating tactic! If we judge that you're not trying hard enough, we'll kill you. It is to laugh.

 

Perhaps your confusion lies in assuming any semblance of negotiating normalcy with the top man who oversaw/ordered the most heinous, inhuman terrorist attack the world has seen in modern times, who then publicly celebrated and praised the massacre. [WATCH]. Of course he had a target on his back.

 

Do you really think anyone can hold honorable negotiations with such an animal? Why would you even appear to support him?  

 

I do wonder what will happen now with the billions he stole from his own people.  [REF]

2 hours ago, rabas said:

 

Perhaps your confusion lies in assuming any semblance of negotiating normalcy with the top man who oversaw/ordered the most heinous, inhuman terrorist attack the world has seen in modern times, who then publicly celebrated and praised the massacre. [WATCH]. Of course he had a target on his back.

 

Do you really think anyone can hold honorable negotiations with such an animal? Why would you even appear to support him?  

 

I do wonder what will happen now with the billions he stole from his own people.  [REF]

First off, it's not even clear if Hamas in Qatar knew about the attack before hand, much less called the shots. And as for the negotiating...

 

Hamas’s Political Leaders Aren’t in Charge
The group’s leadership in exile has taken a back seat to its officials in Gaza.

https://archive.ph/OeBjs

That honor, such as it it, belongs to Yahya Sinwar, who runs things in Gaza and his defunct military chief , Muhammed Deif

 

As for Haniyeh being such an animal, which members of Hamas would you recommend for Israel to negotiate with who aren't animals? And if there aren't any such characters, why negotiate with them at all? You seem to have forgotten why Israel is negotiating with these "animals".

 

Families of Israeli hostages fearful for Gaza ceasefire deal after Hamas leader killing

Family members of Israeli hostages held in Gaza have renewed their demands for a ceasefire deal, fearing that any hope for a hostage agreement may be lost amid escalating regional tensions following the Israeli assassination of Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh and a top Hezbollah commander.

Families blocked main roads in Tel Aviv on Thursday morning, launching nationwide rallies as the war entered its 300th day and any hope for a ceasefire in Gaza felt more distant than ever.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/mena/2024/08/01/families-of-israeli-hostages-fearful-for-gaza-ceasefire-deal-after-hamas-leader-killing/

 

On 7/31/2024 at 11:13 PM, coolcarer said:

As Blinken said. Sinwar is the one who calls the shots, not the leaders in Qatar who are doing his bidding.

Exactly, the assassination of Haniyeh was on the cards from day one as it is for all Hamas leaders. The poster your responding to is unable to make a comment unless its a criticism of Israel even when this was exactly what's needed, targeted strikes that take out the leaders and minimal civilian casualties. 

 

Indeed, Sinwar calls the shots and any ceasefire deals are done with his permission only and we know he has been holding out for months, there was no indication he was going to change his mind this time. "US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said that the fate of the ceasefire proposal for the Gaza Strip is “down to one person”.

 

Sinwar, identified as the key orchestrator of the October 7 massacre in Israel, is reportedly unconcerned with his own mortality but faces increasing scrutiny over the significant suffering in Gaza. According to Burns, US intelligence believes Sinwar is hiding in the tunnels beneath Khan Younis, his birthplace in Gaza, and is the pivotal figure in deciding whether Hamas will accept a ceasefire deal.

 

Hamas has been left in "a state of shock" and there is already talk of his replacement. Difficult times still ahead.

 

"the looming succession process could be lengthy and chaotic - defined by rivalries between those keen to reach a negotiated settlement to the war and extremist elements more closely allied with Iran."

 

The current state of Hamas:

Hamas leader & deputy are dead

Most terror chiefs in Gaza were killed

Almost no ability or desire to fire rockets 

Terror tunnels turned into death traps

Daily death toll keeps rising Gaza terror base ruined

 

Some more details on his death. Quite an operation, there was no airstrike, it was a bomb planted in his room.

 

More details of how the Mossad assassinated Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh via @BarakRavid

➡️ Israeli intelligence learned which facility — and which exact room — Haniyeh stayed in during his visits to Tehran.
➡️ The bomb was planted in his room in advance.
➡️ The bomb was a high-tech device that used artificial intelligence. 
➡️ It was detonated remotely by Mossad operatives who were on Iranian soil after receiving intelligence that Haniyeh was indeed in the room.

 

Planted bomb, remote control and AI: How the Mossad killed Hamas' leader in Iran

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/01/haniyeh-assassination-mossad

 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Exactly, the assassination of Haniyeh was on the cards from day one as it is for all Hamas leaders. The poster your responding to is unable to make a comment unless its a criticism of Israel even when this was exactly what's needed, targeted strikes that take out the leaders and minimal civilian casualties. 

 

Indeed, Sinwar calls the shots and any ceasefire deals are done with his permission only and we know he has been holding out for months, there was no indication he was going to change his mind this time. "US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has said that the fate of the ceasefire proposal for the Gaza Strip is “down to one person”.

 

Sinwar, identified as the key orchestrator of the October 7 massacre in Israel, is reportedly unconcerned with his own mortality but faces increasing scrutiny over the significant suffering in Gaza. According to Burns, US intelligence believes Sinwar is hiding in the tunnels beneath Khan Younis, his birthplace in Gaza, and is the pivotal figure in deciding whether Hamas will accept a ceasefire deal.

 

Hamas has been left in "a state of shock" and there is already talk of his replacement. Difficult times still ahead.

 

"the looming succession process could be lengthy and chaotic - defined by rivalries between those keen to reach a negotiated settlement to the war and extremist elements more closely allied with Iran."

 

The current state of Hamas:

Hamas leader & deputy are dead

Most terror chiefs in Gaza were killed

Almost no ability or desire to fire rockets 

Terror tunnels turned into death traps

Daily death toll keeps rising Gaza terror base ruined

 

Some more details on his death. Quite an operation, there was no airstrike, it was a bomb planted in his room.

 

More details of how the Mossad assassinated Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh via @BarakRavid

➡️ Israeli intelligence learned which facility — and which exact room — Haniyeh stayed in during his visits to Tehran.
➡️ The bomb was planted in his room in advance.
➡️ The bomb was a high-tech device that used artificial intelligence. 
➡️ It was detonated remotely by Mossad operatives who were on Iranian soil after receiving intelligence that Haniyeh was indeed in the room.

 

Planted bomb, remote control and AI: How the Mossad killed Hamas' leader in Iran

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/01/haniyeh-assassination-mossad

 

Even if it was in the cards for all Hamas leaders, why assassinate a member of the negotiating team now? Ya think that's going to help get the hostages back? 

"The tough question facing mediators and observers: How can talks continue if one side kills the main negotiator for the other side?"

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2024/0801/hamas-assassination-gaza-cease-fire-negotiations

Israel Has Nearly Wiped Out Hamas' Military Leadership

Estimates pulled from sources from the Israeli military suggest up to 80 percent of the senior leadership of Hamas' armed faction have been taken out, said Burcu Ozcelik, a senior research fellow for Middle East security with the London-based Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) think tank.

Israel has taken out up to four of every five senior Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades commanders, Ozcelik said, plus an estimated 15,000-20,000 trained Hamas fighters.

The Israeli military says it is committed to tearing apart Hamas' chain of command, destroying its infrastructure—such as the miles of underground tunnels snaking under Gazan cities—and killing Hamas operatives.

Experts say taking out the group's leadership is a tactic designed to grind down Hamas until the organization is unable to function effectively, ultimately forcing it to agree to unfavorable ceasefire terms and return the remaining hostages.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-hamas-commanders-killed-gaza-strip-1933104

Two names as cropping up as likely replacements.

 

Khaled Mashaal, a senior Hamas political leader in exile, is expected to be chosen as the terror group’s leader to replace Ismail Haniyeh who was assassinated in Iran early this morning, Hamas sources tell the Reuters news agency, echoing reports and estimations cited by Hebrew media.

Senior Hamas official Khalil al-Hayya, who is based in Qatar and has headed Hamas negotiators in indirect Gaza truce talks with Israel, has also been a possibility for the leadership as he is a favorite of Iran and its allies in the region, the report says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/who-will-replace-haniyeh-as-hamas-chief-reports-name-khaled-mashaal-as-frontrunner/

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

When did he last agree to a release of hostages because as of 24 July 2024,

The last time some were released, obviously.

 

IMO the rest will not survive.

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

 

Hamas has been left in "a state of shock" and there is already talk of his replacement. Difficult times still ahead.

 

Link to a great article You must have missed this part:

 

"CIA Director Bill Burns said recently that tensions have emerged among some senior Hamas commanders who have been urging the group's leadership to show more flexibility in negotiations and to accept a hostage-ceasefire deal.
However, anger over the death of Haniyeh - and the January assassination of his deputy Saleh al-Arouri - likely puts the hardliners in pole position."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce98regp6y1o

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Israel Has Nearly Wiped Out Hamas' Military Leadership

Estimates pulled from sources from the Israeli military suggest up to 80 percent of the senior leadership of Hamas' armed faction have been taken out, said Burcu Ozcelik, a senior research fellow for Middle East security with the London-based Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) think tank.

Israel has taken out up to four of every five senior Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades commanders, Ozcelik said, plus an estimated 15,000-20,000 trained Hamas fighters.

The Israeli military says it is committed to tearing apart Hamas' chain of command, destroying its infrastructure—such as the miles of underground tunnels snaking under Gazan cities—and killing Hamas operatives.

Experts say taking out the group's leadership is a tactic designed to grind down Hamas until the organization is unable to function effectively, ultimately forcing it to agree to unfavorable ceasefire terms and return the remaining hostages.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-hamas-commanders-killed-gaza-strip-1933104

Israel has been making all kinds of claims about the success of its war against Hamas. It's 9 months of fighting now and still no end in sight. And that end looks more remote than ever:

Israeli Generals, Low on Munitions, Want a Truce in Gaza
Israel’s military leadership wants a cease-fire with Hamas in case a bigger war breaks out in Lebanon, security officials say. It has also concluded that a truce would be the swiftest way to free hostages.

https://archive.ph/Xt8k0

Great article from a US general who visited Gaza. "one thing is certain—the IDF’s motivation, professionalism and commitment to upholding the laws of armed conflict while mitigating the loss of life to civilians."

 

On The Ground In Gaza: The Reality Of Israel’s Military Operations

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davedeptula/2024/07/31/on-the-ground-in-gaza-the-reality-of-israels-military-operations/

 

22 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Even if it was in the cards for all Hamas leaders, why assassinate a member of the negotiating team now? Ya think that's going to help get the hostages back? 

 

Because anyone paying attention know that Hamas only understands overwhelming force. Hamas knows that the left/press carrying their water has always worked in the past to get Israel to surrender, but I think with the assassination, there are less hopeful of that happening this time. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Link to a great article You must have missed this part:

 

"CIA Director Bill Burns said recently that tensions have emerged among some senior Hamas commanders who have been urging the group's leadership to show more flexibility in negotiations and to accept a hostage-ceasefire deal.
However, anger over the death of Haniyeh - and the January assassination of his deputy Saleh al-Arouri - likely puts the hardliners in pole position."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce98regp6y1o

That's a hoot

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Israel has been making all kinds of claims about the success of its war against Hamas. It's 9 months of fighting now and still no end in sight. And that end looks more remote than ever:

Israeli Generals, Low on Munitions, Want a Truce in Gaza
Israel’s military leadership wants a cease-fire with Hamas in case a bigger war breaks out in Lebanon, security officials say. It has also concluded that a truce would be the swiftest way to free hostages.

https://archive.ph/Xt8k0

You are funny. They must keep finding more ammo daily....lol. Just struke the terrorists in one of their favourite hideouts again.

 

IDF: Fighter jets strike group of Hamas operatives hiding in Gaza City school

A group of Hamas operatives gathered at a school in Gaza City’s Shejaiya neighborhood were struck by a fighter jet a short while ago, the military says.
According to the IDF, Hamas was using the Dalal School as a hideout for operatives and commanders, and it had planned attacks against Israel from the site.
The IDF says it carried out “many steps” to mitigate harm to civilians, including using aerial surveillance and precision munitions.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-fighter-jets-strike-group-of-hamas-operatives-hiding-in-gaza-city-school/