Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  The hatred of Israel was already 100 % among Gazians , even prior to the war, they wanted all Israelis dead and gone .

   This war isnt going to change Gazains opinions much 

 

What is your opinion on the Oslo Accords, Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin? Were they going in the right or the wrong direction?

8 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

William is losing it, things not going his way. You haven't made one valid point from start to finish.

All my posts make the points I want to make. You may not consider those points valid, but others on this forum and I do.

I can't entirely agree with most of your posts, but I usually can see the point you are trying to make. And, of course, that is usually something to denigrate Palestinians and/or extoll Israelis. 

New vote at the UN today

 

UN Security Council to vote on new resolution calling for immediate Gaza ceasefire, release of hostages

The UN Security Council is set to vote on a new draft resolution on an “immediate” ceasefire in Gaza, after Russia and China vetoed an earlier text proposed by the United States.

The new text, according to the version seen by AFP, “demands an immediate ceasefire” for the ongoing Muslim holy month of Ramadan, “leading to a permanent sustainable ceasefire.”

It also “demands the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages as well as the “lifting of all barriers to the provision of humanitarian assistance at scale.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-security-council-to-vote-on-new-resolution-calling-for-immediate-gaza-ceasefire-release-of-hostages/

 

Senator Rick Scott

https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/status/1772049827389444519

 

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

All my posts make the points I want to make. You may not consider those points valid, but others on this forum and I do.

I can't entirely agree with most of your posts, but I usually can see the point you are trying to make. And, of course, that is usually something to denigrate Palestinians and/or extoll Israelis. 

It is not too difficult to denigrate phycopathic killers.

You cannot understand or refuse to understand that all this is the making of Hamas and the Israelis actions are a result of the massacres. 

5 hours ago, WDSmart said:

Situation: The police are chasing a man who has just committed multiple homicides. He breaks into a house, gathers up a family (man, woman, and two kids), and barricades himself in a room with them. The police enter the house and break down the door to the room. The murderer is armed and is in a corner of the room holding the family, who are now bound, in front of him.

Human shields should never be accepted as collateral damage or justified in the pursuit of military objectives. 

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Human shields should never be accepted as collateral damage or justified in the pursuit of military objectives. 

Correct, you should tell Hamas to stop using them

33 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

It is not too difficult to denigrate phycopathic killers.

You cannot understand or refuse to understand that all this is the making of Hamas and the Israelis actions are a result of the massacres. 

I don't agree with that. This is not ALL the making of Hamas. I consider ALL the massacres that have occurred over the past 80 years or so.

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Correct, you should tell Hamas to stop using them

..and tell the IDF to stop killing them.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I don't agree with that. This is not ALL the making of Hamas. I consider ALL the massacres that have occurred over the past 80 years or so.

Of course you do William, if you believed that the war really started on 7/10 that would dismantle the whole framework of your argument and you wouldn't be able to blame Israel. 

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

..and tell the IDF to stop killing them.

 tedious baiting, if they were not there then they would not be harmed, its Hamas malicious intend to sacrifice them, this has already been discussed

12 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Of course you do William, if you believed that the war really started on 7/10 that would dismantle the whole framework of your argument and you wouldn't be able to blame Israel. 

Yes! Exactly! But I don't believe this "war" started on Oct 7, or at least Oct 7 was just another stage of an 80-year-long war. If there had been no problems for the past 80 years, or even the past year, I'd agree that all this started on Oct 7. But it didn't, 

21 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

..and tell the IDF to stop killing them.

Of course, it doesn't matter where the human shields came from, or who put them there, they should not be killed. Jeez, what's the point of having human shields otherwise. Israel are the only country that I know of, well maybe Syria that have no problem slaughtering innocent kids and women used as shields as they don't believe them to be human. 

How can anyone in their right mind say otherwise? The whole world, bar Israel fundamentalists agree that it is wrong. 

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 tedious baiting, if they were not there then they would not be harmed, its Hamas malicious intend to sacrifice them, this has already been discussed

No, it's not "baiting at all. It's correcting your statements.

For example, above, you say, "...if they were not there, then they would not be harmed..." Yes, and if the IDF were not there, they would not be harmed either. These Palestinians have a right to be there. Gaza is their home. The IDF has no right to be there except, in their mind, they have the right to engage in a revengeful invasion of Gaza, looking for anyone they consider to be Hamas to kill. 

Just now, Neeranam said:

Of course, it doesn't matter where the human shields came from, or who put them there, they should not be killed. Jeez, what's the point of having human shields otherwise. Israel are the only country that I know of, well maybe Syria that have no problem slaughtering innocent kids and women used as shields as they don't believe them to be human. 

How can anyone in their right mind say otherwise? The whole world, bar Israel fundamentalists agree that it is wrong. 

The IDF do everything they can to avoid killing them:

 

The reality is that when it comes to avoiding civilian harm, there is no modern comparison to Israel's war against Hamas. Israel is not fighting a battle like Fallujah, Mosul, or Raqqa; it is fighting a war involving synchronous major urban battles. No military in modern history has faced over 30,000 urban defenders in more than seven cities using human shields and hiding in hundreds of miles of underground networks purposely built under civilian sites, while holding hundreds of hostages.

Despite the unique challenges Israel faces in its war against Hamas, it has implemented more measures to prevent civilian casualties than any other military in history.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613

Just now, WDSmart said:

No, it's not "baiting at all. It's correcting your statements.

For example, above, you say, "...if they were not there, then they would not be harmed..." Yes, and if the IDF were not there, they would not be harmed either. These Palestinians have a right to be there. Gaza is their home. The IDF has no right to be there except, in their mind, they have the right to engage in a revengeful invasion of Gaza, looking for anyone they consider to be Hamas to kill. 

Its baiting, we discussed this before 

22 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

No, it's not "baiting at all. It's correcting your statements.

For example, above, you say, "...if they were not there, then they would not be harmed..." Yes, and if the IDF were not there, they would not be harmed either. These Palestinians have a right to be there. Gaza is their home. The IDF has no right to be there except, in their mind, they have the right to engage in a revengeful invasion of Gaza, looking for anyone they consider to be Hamas to kill. 

Well said, that's exactly the situation. 

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Well said, that's exactly the situation. 

No its not actually there are hostages that Hamas has taken and the IDF is also looking for them, you keep forgetting about them.

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No its not actually there are hostages that Hamas has taken and the IDF is also looking for them, you keep forgetting about them.

I'm not forgetting about them. Israel seems to have, except I've heard hints on CNN that a new proposal from Israel is being presented that would include the exchange of about 60 hostages for a ceasefire (how long, I don't know) and probably other things from both sides. We'll just have to wait and see if that's true, and if it is, what the details are and if Hamas agrees to it.

37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The IDF do everything they can to avoid killing them:

 

The reality is that when it comes to avoiding civilian harm, there is no modern comparison to Israel's war against Hamas. Israel is not fighting a battle like Fallujah, Mosul, or Raqqa; it is fighting a war involving synchronous major urban battles. No military in modern history has faced over 30,000 urban defenders in more than seven cities using human shields and hiding in hundreds of miles of underground networks purposely built under civilian sites, while holding hundreds of hostages.

Despite the unique challenges Israel faces in its war against Hamas, it has implemented more measures to prevent civilian casualties than any other military in history.

https://www.newsweek.com/israel-implemented-more-measures-prevent-civilian-casualties-any-other-nation-history-opinion-1865613

 

Israel’s supporters mention the policy of not targeting civilians to draw a civilizational distinction between it and Hamas, which systematically targeted civilians, including children and infants, in its brutal war crimes on Oct. 7. But citing the policy is not a rebuttal as much as it is a diversion. To comply with international humanitarian law, a country is not only obligated to aim at military targets, but also to minimize civilian deaths.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/israel-target-civilians-gaza-fetterman-rcna123890

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I'm not forgetting about them. Israel seems to have, except I've heard hints on CNN that a new proposal from Israel is being presented that would include the exchange of about 60 hostages for a ceasefire (how long, I don't know) and probably other things from both sides. We'll just have to wait and see if that's true, and if it is, what the details are and if Hamas agrees to it.

Yes you did, stop lying, they are nowhere in the post referenced

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Israel’s supporters mention the policy of not targeting civilians to draw a civilizational distinction between it and Hamas, which systematically targeted civilians, including children and infants, in its brutal war crimes on Oct. 7. But citing the policy is not a rebuttal as much as it is a diversion. To comply with international humanitarian law, a country is not only obligated to aim at military targets, but also to minimize civilian deaths.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/israel-target-civilians-gaza-fetterman-rcna123890

To comply with international humanitarian law

 

Can you tell me what they are not complying with?

 

The Lawful Killing of Civilians Under International Humanitarian Law

https://www.e-ir.info/2022/05/27/the-lawful-killing-of-civilians-under-international-humanitarian-law

 

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule14

48 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes! Exactly! But I don't believe this "war" started on Oct 7, or at least Oct 7 was just another stage of an 80-year-long war. If there had been no problems for the past 80 years, or even the past year, I'd agree that all this started on Oct 7. But it didn't, 

You'd believe in fairies at the bottom of your garden if it meant you could blame Israel. Even your own link agreed this war started on 7/10. Stop being so disingenuous!

Antony Blinken – The Man Responsible For Genocide In Gaza

 

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/antony-blinken-the-man-responsible-for-genocide-in-gaza/

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Of course, it doesn't matter where the human shields came from, or who put them there, they should not be killed. Jeez, what's the point of having human shields otherwise. Israel are the only country that I know of, well maybe Syria that have no problem slaughtering innocent kids and women used as shields as they don't believe them to be human. 

How can anyone in their right mind say otherwise? The whole world, bar Israel fundamentalists agree that it is wrong. 

What you're doing basically is creating toxic Jew hating pro Hamas propaganda.

 

 

How can anyone in their right mind say otherwise?

54 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Of course, it doesn't matter where the human shields came from, or who put them there, they should not be killed. Jeez, what's the point of having human shields otherwise. Israel are the only country that I know of, well maybe Syria that have no problem slaughtering innocent kids and women used as shields as they don't believe them to be human. 

How can anyone in their right mind say otherwise? The whole world, bar Israel fundamentalists agree that it is wrong. 

And how can "anyone in their right mind" blame Israel for the actions of Hamas (rhetorical question) as I know already the reason.

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

To comply with international humanitarian law

 

Can you tell me what they are not complying with?

 

The Lawful Killing of Civilians Under International Humanitarian Law

https://www.e-ir.info/2022/05/27/the-lawful-killing-of-civilians-under-international-humanitarian-law

 

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule14

 

I will let Human Rights Watch do the explaining. Please read this attentively and pay special attention to section "Violations of International Humanitarian Law":

 

Israeli Forces’ Conduct in Gaza

Oxfam and Human Rights Watch have observed or documented that the Israeli authorities have carried out indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks in violation of international humanitarian law following the Hamas-led October 7 attacks in Israel, imposed collective punishments on the civilian population, deprived the civilian population of objects indispensable to its survival, and used starvation of civilians as a weapon of war. These are all grave violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention and customary international humanitarian law. The vast majority of Gaza’s population has also been forced to flee their homes, many as a result of Israeli actions that amount to war crimes.

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/19/israeli-forces-conduct-gaza#:~:text=International humanitarian law prohibits parties,population and ensure that the

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Antony Blinken – The Man Responsible For Genocide In Gaza

 

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/antony-blinken-the-man-responsible-for-genocide-in-gaza/

Opinion written by Robert Inlakesh who was today spreading false claims of IDF mass raping civilians at Shifa hospital that have even now been debunked by Al Jazeera after they were also spreading them

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I will let Human Rights Watch do the explaining. Please read this attentively and pay special attention to section "Violations of International Humanitarian Law":

 

Israeli Forces’ Conduct in Gaza

Oxfam and Human Rights Watch have observed or documented that the Israeli authorities have carried out indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks in violation of international humanitarian law following the Hamas-led October 7 attacks in Israel, imposed collective punishments on the civilian population, deprived the civilian population of objects indispensable to its survival, and used starvation of civilians as a weapon of war. These are all grave violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention and customary international humanitarian law. The vast majority of Gaza’s population has also been forced to flee their homes, many as a result of Israeli actions that amount to war crimes.

 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/19/israeli-forces-conduct-gaza#:~:text=International humanitarian law prohibits parties,population and ensure that the

Deflection, there is no rule on the numbers for proportionality, only a court can decide after looking at the evidence of each case. 

 

HRW’s Demonization, BDS, and Downplaying Antisemitism
Examining the Human Rights Watch Agenda Following the Hamas Pogrom Part 2

https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/hrws-demonization-bds-and-downplaying-antisemitism/

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

21 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I'm not forgetting about them. Israel seems to have, except I've heard hints on CNN that a new proposal from Israel is being presented that would include the exchange of about 60 hostages for a ceasefire (how long, I don't know) and probably other things from both sides. We'll just have to wait and see if that's true, and if it is, what the details are and if Hamas agrees to it.

Yes you did, stop lying, they are nowhere in the post referenced

I don't even know what you're talking about. You accused me of forgetting about the hostages. I was responding that I haven't forgotten about them, and I've heard on CNN that they are part of a new proposal. 

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Deflection, there is no rule on the numbers for proportionality, only a court can decide after looking at the evidence of each case. 

 

HRW’s Demonization, BDS, and Downplaying Antisemitism
Examining the Human Rights Watch Agenda Following the Hamas Pogrom Part 2

https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/hrws-demonization-bds-and-downplaying-antisemitism/

 

Your position is intenable.