Two New Zealand Men Arrested in Phuket for Alleged Brutal Assault on Traffic Cop

[Mr Meeseeks]

58 minutes ago, Ohyesuare said:

Your generalization of Thais has nothing to do with this topic either way. Humans in general will lie and refuse to take responsibility when being accused of a crime.

 

You are all muddled, there are no Thais accused of a crime here. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

6 minutes ago, ryandb said:

 

Just the same as cops who handle a situation terribly/illegally will lie and their colleagues and higher ups (and unions in nations with Police Unions) will cover it up. 

 

Torture, coercion, and extortion is common with the Thai police, see the recent exposure of Joe Ferrari as a prime example. 

 

Not sure why folk here are so quick to believe their version of the events. 

 

The Deputy Police Chief is currently facing charges of corruption related to an online gambling syndicate. 🫣

[Perhaps2more]

21 hours ago, superal said:

We have no video of what led up to the scuffle . However if the cop had been holding the gun and threatening to shoot them what do you expect ? Conjecture ? maybe but I would like to hear the full story . All ways two sides to a story but the NZs guys account will no doubt be ignored . What we do know is that the two NZ guys did not stop when told to and one had no licence but does that warrant a shooting ? More to this event than has been disclosed . 

The video you saw is enough evidence, it is illegal in every country in the world. You do not run off when a policeman ask you to stop and then fight him and steal his gun for whatever reason you might have. It's their luck they were not in the US.

[transam]

Just now, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

Torture, coercion, and extortion is common with the Thai police, see the recent exposure of Joe Ferrari as a prime example. 

 

Not sure why folk here are so quick to believe their version of the events. 

 

The Deputy Police Chief is currently facing charges of corruption related to an online gambling syndicate. 🫣

So what..........?

Hey, did you miss the videos, did you miss what the blokes were doing leading up to the assault......😂

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 minute ago, transam said:

So what..........?

Hey, did you miss the videos, did you miss what the blokes were doing leading up to the assault......😂

 

What happened before the video to spark the incident?

 

If you know, post it here, otherwise don't waste my time. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

5 minutes ago, Perhaps2more said:

The video you saw is enough evidence, it is illegal in every country in the world. You do not run off when a policeman ask you to stop and then fight him and steal his gun for whatever reason you might have. It's their luck they were not in the US.

 

What I saw was the two farangs restraining the cop, taking his gun off him and making it safe.

 

There is an additional video and photos of them all standing around together after the incident.

 

What led up to the assault happening?

 

Maybe the cop held a gun to their head over a traffic violation? 

 

Point is we simply don't know and are just speculating.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

What happened before the video to spark the incident?

 

If you know, post it here, otherwise don't waste my time. 

You see, you have NOT read the whole story, which is hilarious.....🤣

 

"Don't waste my time"............Bwaaaaaaah..............😆

[Mr Meeseeks]

According to these reports, the cop pulled them over for speeding.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/nz-brothers-hamish-and-oscar-day-remain-in-jail-after-appearing-in-phuket-court/UA7MC6ZTHRDZFFVADULDUDDTCY/

[sambum]

22 hours ago, Dolf said:

They stole his gun.

Thank you! (I think a more accurate term would have been "disarmed" it, but hey, the justice system is out to get them!

[sambum]

5 hours ago, midasthailand said:

The person taking the video was NOT another cop, it was a local Thai woman who repeatedly asked the Kiwis to stop!!

 

This has already been pointed out a couple of times, so I was wrong to assume it was another cop - OK?

However, once again, the original post certainly IMPLIES that the incident was being videoed by the police :- 

" After the police pursuit, the two foreigners were infuriated and allegedly attacked the police while having the incident recorded by the police."

 

How do you interpret that?

[gerritkaew]

reaction to the 2 brothers.

you dont know what happened, drive past a checkpoint and get chased??

I'm here for 30 year,, never,,Never a cop chase me when i past them or turn,, unless he wanted money what happened a lot when i'm driving my car.

And the cop have a loaded gun, no safety on and wass willing to used it on the 2 guys.

Yeah, i would do the same with a cop who high on yabaa..

Its all about farangs now, get him, take his money at all cost!!!

Its about time convit to come back here...

[ravip]

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

I have met a lot of Thai police in my time here, and a lot of them are nutters.

 

Won't go into the gun for hire services (allegedly) and other stuff they get involved with. 

Its just the circle you move around with.

Anywhere on this planet, if you move around with the wrong guys, you will meet the worst characters around. That normal, nothing surprising.  

[zakalwe]

Some interesting tidbits about the Thai justice system:

 

1) criminal trials are typically heard and decided by a panel of judges

2) conviction rates in Thailand are above 95%

[sambum]

2 hours ago, Ohyesuare said:

 

No, it would indicate that's what their very high paid lawyer is telling them to do. 

 

From experience, Thais will very frequently immediately admit to their crimes once caught because it halves their sentence.

 

Some friends of mine got caught drinking illegally during the Covid lockdown, and were arrested and put in the cells overnight, and appeared in court the next day via a video link. One guy that was arrested was sitting at a table in the street, on his own, not drinking but was chatting with the others when the police turned up. An interpreter explained what the court procedure would be and she said "You will state your name and then plead guilty". He objected and said that he wasn't drinking, there was no drink on his table, and was only talking to some friends, so he was going to plead not guilty. The interpreter said "OK, up to you, but what will happen (and I guarantee that this is what will happen) is that you will be remanded in custody for upwards of a week, you will have to hire yourself an expensive lawyer, and when you appear in court again, you WILL be found guilty, and your punishment will be twice what you would have received if you had pleaded guilty in the first place!" He decided to plead guilty!

 

[zakalwe]

7 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

Some friends of mine got caught drinking illegally during the Covid lockdown, and were arrested and put in the cells overnight, and appeared in court the next day via a video link. One guy that was arrested was sitting at a table in the street, on his own, not drinking but was chatting with the others when the police turned up. An interpreter explained what the court procedure would be and she said "You will state your name and then plead guilty". He objected and said that he wasn't drinking, there was no drink on his table, and was only talking to some friends, so he was going to plead not guilty. The interpreter said "OK, up to you, but what will happen (and I guarantee that this is what will happen) is that you will be remanded in custody for upwards of a week, you will have to hire yourself an expensive lawyer, and when you appear in court again, you WILL be found guilty, and your punishment will be twice what you would have received if you had pleaded guilty in the first place!" He decided to plead guilty!

 

From a paper I'm reading on the Thai justice system:
"In one case, I saw a court security officer ask a MalayMuslim defendant who was unable to read Thai to sign the summary of his testimony, even before it had been translated to him. The defendant signed without hesitation. Co-operating with the court procedures is a requirement in Thailand, not an option: to assert your rights as a defendant is to question the integrity of the proceedings and to brand yourself as a troublemaker."

 

It seems that as a defendant, you really can't defend yourself.

[traveller101]

6 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

These facts are enough to convict them for assaulting a police man, stealing his weapon and illegal firearm possession.

All the made-up stories to try to shift blame won't change that.

To me all these feeble excuses are quite pathetic.

And you are an accredited criminal lawyer judging from your statements?

I give you a made-up story "speeding and not keep far enough to the left" in front of Chalong Police station which is exactly 75m away from the chaotic Chalong circle clogged with vehicles, where speeds are between 0 and 5km/h.

From the picture published they rode garden variety scooters and not Ducatis, which actually would reach illegal speeds within a distance of 75m under full acceleration.

I passed by chalong police station  weekly over the past 6 years. 

 

[zzzzz]

On 3/18/2024 at 5:02 PM, superal said:

We have no video of what led up to the scuffle . However if the cop had been holding the gun and threatening to shoot them what do you expect ? Conjecture ? maybe but I would like to hear the full story . All ways two sides to a story but the NZs guys account will no doubt be ignored . What we do know is that the two NZ guys did not stop when told to and one had no licence but does that warrant a shooting ? More to this event than has been disclosed . 

what happened before they were pulled over is irrelevant. 
they are wrong and now must face the consequences.

[traveller101]

9 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Do you have any proof of that or is it like you can't accept that there are bad foreigners around here?

The one and only proof is the fact,that they subdued a police officer in order to get hold of his gun. 

Every other aspect is based on the account of Somrak, supported by the organisation he is a member of - starting with the alleged speeding, disobeying his command, being aggressive and attacking him for no other reason than him recording them on his phone. The recording that has up to today not been made publicly available for unknown reasons.

Extenuating circumstances, also called mitigating factors form an important part to fully understand a situation in criminal law of the developed world.

Maybe these terms are unknown in the Thai criminal justice system.

It would explain, that usually a raft of charges are laid - doesn’t matter if they are true and proven beyond reasonable doubt - and the general advice given states: plead guilty and get the sentence halved.

Do not try to fight, it will make matters far worse.

 

[VocalNeal]

5 minutes ago, traveller101 said:

alleged speeding,

 

I believe 'not riding in the left lane". Speeding is subjective, not riding in the left lane is not.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, VocalNeal said:

 

I believe 'not riding in the left lane". Speeding is subjective, not riding in the left lane is not.

 

.... the wording used (translated) is 'not riding close to the left side of the road'....    

 

This excuse has been used by the BiB in the past for a shakedown....      

 

In this case I think its just the 'written' (or verbalised excuse / reason) for the BiB to want to stop two foreigners on a Motorcycle. 

 

It doesn't matter what the excuse is.. If the BiB ask a motorist to stop, they have to stop. They can then contest whatever the reason is. 

 

 

So the NZ guys were clearly stupid for not stopping and allowing the issue to escalate beyond this point.

 

BUT... it has to be mentioned (I've mentioned it already in this case) - Numerous posters on this forum alone have commented that they 'burn through check-points'  and never stop because they want to avoid the being the target of a shake-down - that in itself is dumb.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jvs]

37 minutes ago, traveller101 said:

The one and only proof is the fact,that they subdued a police officer in order to get hold of his gun. 

Every other aspect is based on the account of Somrak, supported by the organisation he is a member of - starting with the alleged speeding, disobeying his command, being aggressive and attacking him for no other reason than him recording them on his phone. The recording that has up to today not been made publicly available for unknown reasons.

Extenuating circumstances, also called mitigating factors form an important part to fully understand a situation in criminal law of the developed world.

Maybe these terms are unknown in the Thai criminal justice system.

It would explain, that usually a raft of charges are laid - doesn’t matter if they are true and proven beyond reasonable doubt - and the general advice given states: plead guilty and get the sentence halved.

Do not try to fight, it will make matters far worse.

 

I have to disagree with you .

A police investigation does not revolve around keeping the public well informed and up to date.

There are many discussions about this incident going on but of course nearly all is in Thai language.

The legal terms are well known in the Thai legal system but again ,all in Thai language.

[Mr Meeseeks]

6 hours ago, ravip said:

Its just the circle you move around with.

Anywhere on this planet, if you move around with the wrong guys, you will meet the worst characters around. That normal, nothing surprising.  

 

I've met with all ranks of Police in my 33 years here. Mostly from Lumpini and Thong Lor districts. 

 

The most honest one I met was a lowly traffic cop in Bangkok, who used to come into our local bar, he didn't drink though.

 

Meanwhile, up the road a sergeant was allegedly supplying drugs to the bars for the farangs to deal to tourists.

[Aussie999]

On 3/19/2024 at 10:00 AM, Dolf said:

Yes they are friendly.

Oh dear, you're one of those "thai apologist." Time to ignore you.

[Dolf]

4 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Oh dear, you're one of those "thai apologist." Time to ignore you.

Oh dear, you are one of the haters who go to Thailand then hate on everything.

[FritsSikkink]

On 3/19/2024 at 8:46 PM, traveller101 said:

The one and only proof is the fact,that they subdued a police officer in order to get hold of his gun. 

 

That is good enough for a long jail time.

Is it allowed in your country?

[Startmeup]

On 3/18/2024 at 4:53 AM, mania said:

 

Don't know why these nuts did this but....In video the one guy takes the gun from the cops hand & throws it to roadside....

 

The other guy picks it up & removes the magazine & clears the weapon

 

As always there is more to this story & none of it will be good

Pretty obvious why you act like that and then do no damage to the cop at all after disarming him. Very obvious why.
 

If the cop was injured there would be pics posted on every traffic light in the country. They didn't hurt the cop whatsoever they disarmed an aggressor, that's what happened. 

[Neeranam]

On 3/18/2024 at 6:55 AM, BritManToo said:

I was more worried by the extreme anti-white racism of the male newsreader than anything else.

What racism? I never heard any. It's good that Thais are not PC and can call a spade a spade. 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

On 3/19/2024 at 8:46 PM, traveller101 said:

The one and only proof is the fact, that they subdued a police officer in order to get hold of his gun. 

 

That is good enough for a long jail time.

Is it allowed in your country?

 

We're not in our country...  In most cases in 'our country' (wherever that may be) the Police are not viewed upon with a general degree of suspicion for being self serving and corrupt... 

 

I've never seen a Police check-point in the UK...   I see them weekly in Thailand....

 

Thus.. If we are comparing to our own country...  

.... Would a regular tourist ride a car or rent a motorbike without a licence ???? - they wouldn't be able to for starters.

 

Here...  the BiB know... so they know tourists are good game and that can create a 'cat & mouse' mentality.... 

 

... what we see here is perhaps an initial 'blow-back' against this 'cat & mouse' mentality that escalated out of control... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

36 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

What racism? I never heard any. It's good that Thais are not PC and can call a spade a spade. 

 

Erm...  apparently you can't call a spade a spade any more Neeranam... 

 

... The wokerati have decided the term is no longer related to the transliteration of (Greek Philosopher) Erasmus' phrase "to call a fig a fig and a trough a trough"... it has since been linked to playing cards, at some point the term 'spade' was used as a code for 'Black People' and hence a simple phrase acquired racial undertones... 

 

Soon...  I wont be able to mention socks, or how sweaty they get..  not because your 'Iron brew fried Mars bar eating lot' get upset, but because a bunch of gender misappropriating nonce softies lack the ability to turn the banter into a win for both parties with an entertaining exchange of verbiage our better halves would blush at....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

On 3/19/2024 at 5:29 PM, zzzzz said:

what happened before they were pulled over is irrelevant. 
they are wrong and now must face the consequences.

it is very relevant.