Not to bash his GOP believes (if he has any) but I really think that IF he goes to trial on Monday and the trial lasts for several days then at some point I think he will simply lose control. He might even be held in contemp. Just based on the man he is, his past (pampered) live and temper.

6 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Not to bash his GOP believes (if he has any) but I really think that IF he goes to trial on Monday and the trial lasts for several days then at some point I think he will simply lose control. He might even be held in contemp. Just based on the man he is, his past (pampered) live and temper.

 

Hold on to that fantasy.

 

Teflon Don will do just fine.

Naaa. The Trumpeters think ALL the legal cases against him both civil & criminal are a leftwing Communist plot, so the more Trump gets 'punished' by the law, the more they love him.

 

Besides he seems very able at delaying delaying delaying every case, presumably on the basis that once back in the White House he'll be untouchable ... a question which I suspect not even the Supreme Court can answer at this stage.

I reckon Melania can't wait to make an exit from this orange wide boy....😱

She must be so embarrassed by his antics.....😢

9 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Naaa. The Trumpeters think ALL the legal cases against him both civil & criminal are a leftwing Communist plot, so the more Trump gets 'punished' by the law, the more they love him.

 

I agree with what you say. But to be fair, those Trump fans have a point.

How many other politicians have been to court because they paid hush money to someone? I am pretty sure Trump is not the only politicians who ever did that.

 

Apart from that it's sad to see that all the other real cases against him, with the insurrection and the votes in Georgia, are still not in court.

As far as I see it there is tons of evidence. He should be in jail by now.

But no, nothing happens, or it happens very slow, and people talk about how much money he gave to a sex worker. 

3 minutes ago, transam said:

I reckon Melania can't wait to make an exit from this orange wide boy....😱

She must be so embarrassed by his antics.....😢

Since when do you think she must be embarrassed? How many years already? 

Trump is a Russian agent who let Hookers pee on his bed.

22 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I agree with what you say. But to be fair, those Trump fans have a point.

How many other politicians have been to court because they paid hush money to someone? I am pretty sure Trump is not the only politicians who ever did that.

 

Apart from that it's sad to see that all the other real cases against him, with the insurrection and the votes in Georgia, are still not in court.

As far as I see it there is tons of evidence. He should be in jail by now.

But no, nothing happens, or it happens very slow, and people talk about how much money he gave to a sex worker. 

Not sure whether you're being deliberately disingenuous or not, but you're totally misrepresenting the reason for the charges he's facing.

 

He's not on trial for paying hush money (as you say, many people have done that) and it is indeed, not illegal as such, to do so.

 

What he's actually on trial for is first-degree falsifying of business records, in relation to the payments. And the reason it's being charged as a first-degree offence is because (at least according to the prosecutors) he falsified these business records in order to hide damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election, which is an electoral offence under both federal and state law.

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

Not to bash his GOP believes (if he has any) but I really think that IF he goes to trial on Monday and the trial lasts for several days then at some point I think he will simply lose control. He might even be held in contemp. Just based on the man he is, his past (pampered) live and temper.

 

Is there a precedent of him doing that?

17 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Not sure whether you're being deliberately disingenuous or not, but you're totally misrepresenting the reason for the charges he's facing.

 

He's not on trial for paying hush money (as you say, many people have done that) and it is indeed, not illegal as such, to do so.

 

What he's actually on trial for is first-degree falsifying of business records, in relation to the payments. And the reason it's being charged as a first-degree offence is because (at least according to the prosecutors) he falsified these business records in order to hide damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election, which is an electoral offence under both federal and state law.

You are right, I simplified the situation a little.

But I think what I did is what most people see. 

Again, how many people paid an invoice for officially x, but in reality, it was for y. I am sure that happens not too seldom.

What makes this case so special is that they were payments to a porn actor for sex, or not talking about sex.

 

Back to Trump, if that would be the worst thing he every did, then I think that was not really a big thing. He did so many other things which are a lot worse. It would be great if he would be jailed for treason, not for "paying for sex" (yes, I know, I described in incorrectly again). 

17 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Is there a precedent of him doing that?

See his Truth Social rants.

Its about his (future) behaviour. Not about did he do it nor about other cases. Stay on track pls.

15 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It would be great if he would be jailed for treason, not for "paying for sex"

Yes, indeed. Salacious trivia is one thing. Treason is another.

 

And tax evasion is (I guess) in Usofa barely worth mentioning ...

5 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

See his Truth Social rants.

 

Indeed, there is no precedent of what you describe.

5 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Its about his (future) behaviour. Not about did he do it nor about other cases. Stay on track pls.

 

Most Trump haters now know better than to make wild predictions about what will happen to him, having been consistently wrong about pretty much everything.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Most Trump haters now know better than to make wild predictions about what will happen to him, having been consistently wrong about pretty much everything.

Not wrong just delayed

4 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Not wrong just delayed

 

Delayed for seven years now. Perhaps it is time for a reappraisal of your interpretative framework?

25 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Most Trump haters now know better than to make wild predictions about what will happen to him, having been consistently wrong about pretty much everything.

having been consistently wrong about pretty much everything that he says

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

You are right, I simplified the situation a little.

But I think what I did is what most people see. 

Again, how many people paid an invoice for officially x, but in reality, it was for y. I am sure that happens not too seldom.

 

Indictments for falsifying business records are commonplace in NY.

10 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

 

What he's actually on trial for is first-degree falsifying of business records, in relation to the payments. And the reason it's being charged as a first-degree offence is because (at least according to the prosecutors) he falsified these business records in order to hide damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election, which is an electoral offence under both federal and state law.

That electoral offense has not been proven in a court law, which may be Trump's main defense.

8 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Indictments for falsifying business records are commonplace in NY.

Here's the caveat that is missing from trumps "felony" indictment... good luck proving trumps intent since there were no losses by any of the banks or otherwise... For Trump to be prosecuted for felony violation of falsifying business records, the statute requires the DA to prove not only that Trump is guilty of falsifying business records (a misdemeanor), but that he did so with the intent to commit “another crime,” or aiding or concealing the commission of “another crime.”

29 minutes ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Here's the caveat that is missing from trumps "felony" indictment... good luck proving trumps intent since there were no losses by any of the banks or otherwise... For Trump to be prosecuted for felony violation of falsifying business records, the statute requires the DA to prove not only that Trump is guilty of falsifying business records (a misdemeanor), but that he did so with the intent to commit “another crime,” or aiding or concealing the commission of “another crime.”

You are co-mingling 2 different cases, but your second point is correct - it's going to be difficult to convict Trump without proving an underlying crime.

 

My feeling is that Bragg felt pressure to do something given the shady stuff Trump was known to be doing, but he may have over-reached with the felony charges.

 

However, it's possible that Trump's greatest risk may be committing perjury if he testifies.

 

So we may see the unusual situation where he is acquitted and then charged with perjury.

12 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Since when do you think she must be embarrassed? How many years already? 

Anti Trumpers were saying that Melania was going to leave him when he was still in the WH. She hasn't.

This time she seems to be staying out of it, so she learned something, and good for her to do so.

 

At least Trump doesn't need her to stop him falling over, like Biden, who had a firm grip on his wife's hand when walking back from the podium after his last speech I saw on the TV.

53 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You are co-mingling 2 different cases, but your second point is correct - it's going to be difficult to convict Trump without proving an underlying crime.

 

My feeling is that Bragg felt pressure to do something given the shady stuff Trump was known to be doing, but he may have over-reached with the felony charges.

 

However, it's possible that Trump's greatest risk may be committing perjury if he testifies.

 

So we may see the unusual situation where he is acquitted and then charged with perjury.

You really are a funny guy. You should take up comedy for a living.

13 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Most Trump haters now know better than to make wild predictions about what will happen to him, having been consistently wrong about pretty much everything.

He was crazy, is crazy, and will always be crazy.

It's pretty simple. 

13 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Most Trump haters now know better than to make wild predictions about what will happen to him, having been consistently wrong about pretty much everything.

You are mostly correct, but your perception is greatly impacted by professional clickbait artists who publish predictions of imminent doom for Trump.

 

If I had a nickel for every headline like:

 

"Former prosecutor/former Trump assistant/former Republican congressman says this latest bombshell report will destroy Trump"

 

I would be rich. I see these almost every day. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

He was crazy, is crazy, and will always be crazy.

It's pretty simple. 

But the wild predictions about Trump aren't useful.

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Anti Trumpers were saying that Melania was going to leave him when he was still in the WH. She hasn't.

This time she seems to be staying out of it, so she learned something, and good for her to do so.

 

At least Trump doesn't need her to stop him falling over, like Biden, who had a firm grip on his wife's hand when walking back from the podium after his last speech I saw on the TV.

It will be interesting to see how Mercedes holds up during the Stormy Daniels testimony.

14 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

He was crazy, is crazy, and will always be crazy.

Mmmmm, but he's also shrewd. He has the cunning of the Devil. Which is what makes him dangerous.

 

We should also remember - from his time in the White House - that he doesn't actually DO most of what he says he's going to do. But of course - since this time round, if he makes it, will be his last - he might just astonish us with what he does do or attempts to do. In the broad - as we see with all US Presidents - the institutional strengths of US administrations are sufficient to prevent too much careering off the rails. We might see this truth tested over the next 4 years.