Why the hush money case against Donald Trump is on shaky ground

[jerrymahoney]

15 minutes ago, Roo Island said:

Agreed. Unless what was written is a dodgy opinion piece

ALL legal analysis is opinion. The gent is listed as an OPINION CONTRIBUTOR on TheHill.com

 

Republicans rated The Hill as Lean Left on average, while Democrats and Independents rated The Hill on the left side of Center.

 

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/hill-media-bias

[Red Forever]

Another word salad from a Trump supporting right wing nutter.

Note that The Hill state that this is the opinion of the contributor not the Hill.

Bit early to celebrate yet Trumpers.

Let's get this one out of the way and get on with the meaty election fraud cases.

Oh and another blow to the orange moron: J. E. Carroll keeps her $83.3 million. Result!

[Yagoda]

22 minutes ago, dhupverg said:

Who cares? 

Exactly. Citing a source for stupidity doesnt make it less stupid.

[cmjl]

1 hour ago, Roo Island said:

Hard to believe anything Trump says. World's biggest liar

He's a politician just like dozy Biden,I reckon you'd have a job finding an honest politician the world over,as a friend of mine says 'if a politician is talking the chances are he's lying',we are told what politicians want us to believe,the truth doesn't come in to it,after all 'repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth' and to be a 'good' politician first learn to lie.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

13 hours ago, Hakuna Matata said:

This is a politically motivated witch hunt as he is saying.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-campaign-calls-latest-indictment-part-of-a-politically-motivated-witch-hunt

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS_NewsHour

 

 

 

Sometimes there really is a witch. Or worse.

[Skeptic7]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Looks like the prosecution's case is falling apart already.

 

Ummm...no it doesn't. Looks solid with tons of evidence and witnesses. Yo idiot master is in a death spiral down the commode🚽 🪠🤣

[jerrymahoney]

25 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

Another word salad from a Trump supporting right wing nutter.

Well OK but when I post legal commentary from decidedly left wing former prosecutors who have reservations about the case they are still often considered by the usual suspects on here to be nutters.

[jerrymahoney]

3 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Ummm...no it doesn't. Looks solid with tons of evidence and witnesses. Yo idiot master is in a death spiral down the commode🚽 🪠🤣

The NY Times has reporters who practically live at the 2 downtown federal and state courthouses. This was their 21 April headline:

 

Will a Mountain of Evidence Be Enough to Convict Trump?
Monday will see opening statements in the People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump. The state’s case seems strong, but a conviction is far from assured.

 

 

[Skeptic7]

Just now, jerrymahoney said:

The NY Times has reporters who practically live at the 2 downtown federal and state courthouses. This was their 21 April headline:

 

Will a Mountain of Evidence Be Enough to Convict Trump?
Monday will see opening statements in the People of the State of New York v. Donald J. Trump. The state’s case seems strong, but a conviction is far from assured.

 

 

Read it when it came out. No conviction is ever assured (think OJ "The Slasher" Simpson), but this case appears quite solid. 

[jerrymahoney]

8 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Read it when it came out. No conviction is ever assured (think OJ "The Slasher" Simpson), but this case appears quite solid. 

Maybe so. Even MS. Habba says she is not expecting anything but a guilty plea. But their are multiple non-right wing nutters that think their are problems with the charges in the case especially if there is an appeal.

[OneMoreFarang]

All this wouldn't be an issue if a shady person like Trump wouldn't run for president and obviously if nobody would vote for such a person.

 

As far as I know another issue is that legally a person could be at the same time the president, a convicted criminal, and in jail. It seems there is no law that a convicted criminal, especially someone who is in jail, can't be president.

And can we really blame the lawmakers that there is no such law? Who would ever have thought that someone like that would run for president and that someone would elect him. Until a few years ago that was unthinkable.

 

All above has nothing to do with the actual politics or Biden. As far as I am concerned Americans should be able to vote for anybody leftwing up to right wing, whatever wing. They should be able to vote for young and old and all that. But a criminal? And a serial liar? What a stupid idea! 

[Purdey]

As they say, the Orange One will get his day in court and the prosecution will lay its evidence out for the jury to decide. Innocent until proven guilty!

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Maybe so. Even MS. Habba says she is not expecting anything but a guilty plea. But their are multiple non-right wing nutters that think their are problems with the charges in the case especially if there is an appeal.

 

According to Quinnipiac U Poll, nearly 70% of voters are saying they are watching the trial and 21% saying that they would be less likely to vote for him if convicted. The result could cost him the 2024 election. 

[Irish star]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

Looks like the prosecution's case is falling apart already.

 

I suppose it comes down to whether the jury is in fact unbiased. If in doubt do not convict and all that.

You really should change your moniker to “TrumpanzeeLover 

[Skeptic7]

56 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Maybe so. Even MS. Habba says she is not expecting anything but a guilty plea. But their are multiple non-right wing nutters that think their are problems with the charges in the case especially if there is an appeal.

Fair enough.

It's wait and see now for us all.

[jerrymahoney]

44 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

According to Quinnipiac U Poll, nearly 70% of voters are saying they are watching the trial and 21% saying that they would be less likely to vote for him if convicted. The result could cost him the 2024 election. 

As far as I am concerned all these cases civil or criminal are just side shows compared to the prospect that Trump is again elected President NOV 2024

 

And pardon my their/there and plea/verdict grammar errors above

Edited April 26 by jerrymahoney

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

As far as I am concerned all these cases civil or criminal are just side shows compared to the prospect that Trump is again elected President NOV 2024

If TRump is convicted and then loses the election, he will be granted bail pending appeal. If the appeal is unsuccessful, he will most likely have to serve any sentences starting next year probably in Rikers Islan. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 hours ago, Roo Island said:

An opinion piece from a conservative republican. Biased a bit?

 

Not only that, but a multi-time FAILED Republican candidate for Congress... and former SEC prosecutor, which of course gives him great expertise into Trump hush money criminal charges. 🤣

 

"Demos vied in 2010 for the Republican nomination to compete for the congressional seat of Democrat Tim Bishop on Long Island in New York State in the November 2010 election, coming in second in the primary."

...

Citing his impending wedding, Demos withdrew from the race May 25, 2012.^[32]

^...

On October 6, 2013, he announced he would seek the Republican nomination to run against Congressman Tim Bishop.^[33] On June 24, 2014 he lost the primary election to New York State Senator Lee Zeldin.^[34]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Demos

 

George G. Demos is a former United States Securities and Exchange Commission enforcement attorney and an Adjunct Professor at U.C. Davis School of Law where he teaches corporate and white collar crime.

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/4617077-why-the-case-against-donald-trump-in-hush-money-trial-is-on-shaky-ground/

 

 

[soalbundy]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

Looks like the prosecution's case is falling apart already.

 

I suppose it comes down to whether the jury is in fact unbiased. If in doubt do not convict and all that.

Pecker's testimony is more damning, anyway the hush money in itself isn't on trial instead the book keeping and falsifying records, paying campaign money for 'catch and kill', Pecker, Cohen and Trump.

[Jingthing]

Yes it's clear by now that Trump has a persistent Pecker problem, and Melania is AWOL in helping him with his Pecker problem, because she's smart enough to realize things are FUBAR in fake Trump world. Power to the Pecker.

[scottiejohn]

53 minutes ago, Irish star said:

You really should change your moniker to “TrumpanzeeLover 

But that won't change the brain cell? orientation away from Trump!

[Roo Island]

2 hours ago, cmjl said:

He's a politician just like dozy Biden,I reckon you'd have a job finding an honest politician the world over,as a friend of mine says 'if a politician is talking the chances are he's lying',we are told what politicians want us to believe,the truth doesn't come in to it,after all 'repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth' and to be a 'good' politician first learn to lie.

Fair. But it's a fact that Trump's been a liar long before he became a politician. Horrible person.

[JulesMad]

I’m no legal beagle too, but I am convinced that tRump is guilty in ALL (and more) cases! With his behavior and his ever-lasting never-stopping lying it is pretty obvious for ALL people with common sense (probably not republicans then...) that he is guilty of paying of and/or bribing anyone and everyone. america is way too soft against this type of criminals...

[Thingamabob]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

All this wouldn't be an issue if a shady person like Trump wouldn't run for president and obviously if nobody would vote for such a person.

 

As far as I know another issue is that legally a person could be at the same time the president, a convicted criminal, and in jail. It seems there is no law that a convicted criminal, especially someone who is in jail, can't be president.

And can we really blame the lawmakers that there is no such law? Who would ever have thought that someone like that would run for president and that someone would elect him. Until a few years ago that was unthinkable.

 

All above has nothing to do with the actual politics or Biden. As far as I am concerned Americans should be able to vote for anybody leftwing up to right wing, whatever wing. They should be able to vote for young and old and all that. But a criminal? And a serial liar? What a stupid idea! 

However, more than 70 million Americans voted for Trump, twice.

[Chomper Higgot]

There are only 12 opinions that matter.

 

That of the author of this opinion piece, George G. Demos is not known to be amongst them.

 

 

[cmjl]

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

All this wouldn't be an issue if a shady person like Trump wouldn't run for president and obviously if nobody would vote for such a person.

 

As far as I know another issue is that legally a person could be at the same time the president, a convicted criminal, and in jail. It seems there is no law that a convicted criminal, especially someone who is in jail, can't be president.

And can we really blame the lawmakers that there is no such law? Who would ever have thought that someone like that would run for president and that someone would elect him. Until a few years ago that was unthinkable.

 

All above has nothing to do with the actual politics or Biden. As far as I am concerned Americans should be able to vote for anybody leftwing up to right wing, whatever wing. They should be able to vote for young and old and all that. But a criminal? And a serial liar? What a stupid idea! 

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? As I'm not an American it doesn't matter to me but as I said in an earlier post to be a politician they first need to learn to lie,then there are 3 kinds of lies - lies,damn lies and statistics and I think if those of you who are rooting for dozy Biden opened their eyes and did some research they might find that Biden also has feet of clay.

[thaipo7]

TUG - I  know you would have something to say here.  Before I get to educating you.  I have to make a remark on one thing you said.  About the Supreme Court throwing shade Trump's way.  Who is getting all the shade?  Corrupt Joe Biden and his millions from China and Ukraine to every member of his family.  Nothing done.  51 CIA managers siding with Biden saying Hunter's laptop was a Russian Hoax, sweetheart deal to Hunter Biden, 17% of the voters for Biden said that had they known about the laptop they would not have voted for crooked Joe.  Garland sits on Hunter not paying taxes on $3 million earned in Ukraine, letting the Statute of Limitations to expire, Joe Biden not pay his taxes in 2017 setting up two S corporations to keep from paying his Medicare taxes.  20 LLCs set up with million flowing from China where there were no employees, no executive officers, no product produce or sold to the Chinese and Trump may get a little shade from the Supreme Court?  Do you even know the BS you are spreading?  You and the other Leftists.

 

What are some of these underhanded stuff that Trump has done.  I have been over 3 years trying to find out from Biden lovers like you and so far not one person has given an answer on the Left.  Be the first.

 

Disgraceful behavior from Trump?  What the hell is an open border, letting in terrorist from all corners of the world?  Joe lies about everything.  Job created, inflation that he caused is coming down, $1 trillion of new debt every 100 days to keep all the Leftist organizations well funded, pays of school loans when the Supreme Courts says he does not have the authority.  Buy votes which is illegal.  Paid off debts of corrupt Democrat unions and Democrat run cities and states.  The corruption of Biden and his administration are too numerous to list.  Executive orders coming out of his as when ever he finds a new way to harm America.  He has all of Obama's people in his administration and picks the most radical people he can find for the Supreme Court.  He is Obama's third and I pray he does not become the 4th.  He is keeping a Presidential nominee tied up in the courts when he should be out there drawing the crowds that Biden can only dream about.  Trump can only be tried in DC, NY, GA where they know Trump can not get a fair trial.  In DC 95% of the people voted Democrat in 2020.  All the judges from Garland down to the courtrooms are Democrat.  Jack Smith was supposed to be approved by the Senate but the hell with that.  They just put him in a position with unlimited Prosecution powers and you have to balls to say, Trump may get a bit of shade given to him.   Your way off base.

[bradiston]

13 hours ago, Hakuna Matata said:

This is a politically motivated witch hunt as he is saying.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-campaign-calls-latest-indictment-part-of-a-politically-motivated-witch-hunt

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBS_NewsHour

 

 

Of course, any prosecution of a politician is described by the defense as a politically motivated witch hunt. I know if the cops come after me, I'll be shouting the same. Pee! Pee! Pee!

[jerrymahoney]

11 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Not only that, but a multi-time FAILED Republican candidate for Congress... and former SEC prosecutor, which of course gives him great expertise into Trump hush money criminal charges.

So you say nothing about what he wrote, just who he is. Here is another opinion that touches on the same concerns:

 

Some said prosecutors’ decision to characterize the New York case as election interference seemed to be a strategy designed to raise its visibility.

 

“When (Manhattan District Attorney) Alvin Bragg calls it an election interference case, that’s more of a public relations strategy,” said Paul Butler, a professor at Georgetown Law and former federal prosecutor. “I think there was concern that people were looking at the other prosecutions and they weren’t discussing the Manhattan case.”

 

Declaring the case a hush money trial made it seem less important than the others and “so they’ve styled it ... as a case about election interference. But again, what he’s charged with is falsifying business records.”

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-trial-election-interference-2024-04c50e579ed92754f845c8bfde886fee

 

Proessor Butler's credentials:

 

Professor Butler served as a federal prosecutor with the U.S. Department of Justice, where his specialty was public corruption. His prosecutions included a United States Senator, three FBI agents, and several other law enforcement officials.

 

His area of expertisse involves criminal law and procedure.

 

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/paul-butler/

 

 

Edited April 26 by jerrymahoney

[jerrymahoney]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

and Melania is AWOL in helping him with his Pecker problem, because she's smart enough to realize things are FUBAR in fake Trump world. Power to the Pecker.

As has been noted before, Melania Trump has been listed by Judge Merchan as a potential witness. Potential witnesses are not allowed in Court prior to their testimony.

Edited April 26 by jerrymahoney