8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The IDF has lied so many times I don't believe anything they say. Remember the non existent "command post" in the hospital and the "roster of fighters" that was a calendar?

 

They don't allow independent news reporters in for a very good reason- they might tell the truth about israeli atrocities.

I dunno, in a contest of credibility in which the contestants are the IDF and Hamas, I kinda lean IDF.  Hamas has a well practised and clever propaganda machine, and they have the added benefit that a credulous media usually swallows what they say. The IDF is always questioned- and rightly so. If only the same level of scrutiny was used more evenly...

In California the occupations are continuing.

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-04-30/ucla-moves-to-shut-down-pro-palestinian-encampment-as-unlawful

46 minutes ago, Presto said:

You don't know about ethnic cleansing?

For your reading pleasure:

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/2/26/settler-violence-israels-ethnic-cleansing-plan-for-the-west-bank

For your reading pleasure:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/31/israeli-minister-reiterates-calls-for-palestinians-to-leave-gaza

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The IDF has lied so many times I don't believe anything they say. Remember the non existent "command post" in the hospital and the "roster of fighters" that was a calendar?

 

They don't allow independent news reporters in for a very good reason- they might tell the truth about israeli atrocities.

 

   There may well have been a command post under the hospital , as Hamas had a about a three week notification that the IDF were going to enter the location and they may well have moved the command post to another location  .

   One individual  solder got mistaken about a calendar .

What other lies are you claiming that the IDF have told ?

39 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 ^ A blog from last year with someone calling for something 

 

 Blogs are not an allowable news source on these forums .

Also, people "calling for" things isn't even news worthy .

 

Middle East Eye does not seem to be a blog. Here is the media bias / fact check evaluation: HIGH CREDIBILITY. Left-center bias.

 https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-eye/

 

People "calling for" annihilation is incitement, and is part of the genocide investigation at the ICJ. So in this case, it's not Netanyahu, Pres Herzog, Galland, Ben Gvir, or Smotrich. It's the deputy mayor of Jerusalem. It just shows that incitement is also occurring at lower levels of the bureaucracy. That can strengthen the case at the ICJ.

44 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Al-Jazeera are owned by Qatar , Qatar who support Hamas and support the ethnic cleansing of Jews . 

   A biased news source 

DO you have a link regarding the ethnic cleansing claim?

11 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I seem to remember the news saying that they were in imminent danger of starving since about the second day of the conflict. 

 

That would have been about the time the IDF had raped and murdered 30k babies in their 'genocide' campaign 😁

1 minute ago, placnx said:

DO you have a link regarding the ethnic cleansing claim?

 

It's called Oct 7th

3 minutes ago, Presto said:

For your reading pleasure:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/31/israeli-minister-reiterates-calls-for-palestinians-to-leave-gaza

 

   The person who said that has been excluded to the Netanyahu cabinet .

So, its not Israeli Government policy 

6 minutes ago, placnx said:

DO you have a link regarding the ethnic cleansing claim?

 

Here :

 

Al-Nassr was not satisfied with these comments alone, as he went on in his speech to commend the “Flood of Al-Aqsa operation” (Hamas’s name for the October 7th massacre), claiming that this was only a “prelude to the annihilation of the corruption of the ‘second Zionist entity’ upon eath.”  

He then referred to a presumably Godly promise for the ingathering of Jews in the land of Palestine as preparation for the ‘battle of the next generation,’ which according to Al-Nassr, would bring an end to the Jewish state.

 

 

 

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/qatari-official-jews-are-murderers-of-prophets-october-7th-is-only-a-prelude-798358

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The person who said that has been excluded to the Netanyahu cabinet .

So, its not Israeli Government policy 

Yes, I know that. But it is a prominent thought among the far right in Israel, and Netanyahu depends on the far right.

You could also simply look at the results of Israel's policies, not just in Gaza, but also the West Bank.

Gaza has become inhabitable. Not just by the rubble that's left, but also by the toxic materials everywhere, the destroyed infrastructure. On the West Bank Palestinian farmers are daily harassed and attacked by illegal settlers, driven off their land, with the support of the IDF. For many years already, but intensified since October 7th. And without any opposition from America, of course.

The idea of the two-state solution is a fantasy, it doesn't matter that Biden and Blinken keep babbling about it.

If you don't recognize the ethnic cleansing here, you must be blind.

47 minutes ago, proton said:

There is no evidence for either of these hysterical claims

This you said in response to @pegman: "

 

You can read numerous reports about Apartheid in Israel here: https://www.amnesty.org/en/search/apartheid in israel/

Attached is Amnesty's 277 page report (pdf) can be accessed at this link: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/

Human Rights Watch also has a report: https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

4 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

There are more than 100 conflicts currently going on in the world, yet somehow this one particular conflict gains their attention. Wonder why...

 

Really ?

There is no other conflict like this one .

Or do you think this is just another war ?

No , it is not .

Anyway , trigger happy Israel is losing it , despite the 34000 dead palestinians and the total destruction of Gaza .

Israels reputation is now that of a fascist regime that has no regards for the life of of non-jewish humans .

Gaza will not be forgotten and Israels reputation in the rest of the world is ruined and will be compared to the Nazi holocaust .

A little empathy towards the many dead kids and women could have prevented this .

But that was asked to much .

They bulldozed all they could and , later , will try to find the normal excuses that we are already used to ...

It is their way of thinking ...

Ok , Hamas attacked after years of suppression by the Israelis .

They should not have done this . There was only senseless violence towards innocent individuals ( the festival goers )

But Nethanjahus response was out of proportion and amounts in it's essence to a crime against humanity .

Every action in this life provokes a re-action , the israelis knew that , but still did it .

Now , live with the consequences .

 

7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Now, if I were the university administration, I would have taken a different path. Once the encampment was set up, I would have built a wall or fence around it. Not let anyone enter or leave. Not let anyone pass anything back and forth. Basically, let them wither on the vine.

So basically give them a bit like Gaza. But without the bombing of kids, women and all their stuff.

Are you an Israeli?

Off topic posts and troll posts contravening our Community Standards and the replies have been removed.

8 minutes ago, Goat said:

So basically give them a bit like Gaza. But without the bombing of kids, women and all their stuff.

Are you an Israeli?

Yeah. Gaza, but without the hotels and cafes and beach. Sure.

 

No. The idea is to remove what the smooth brained kids want so desperately, which is attention. It is a standard parenting technique when dealing with bratty kids. Isolate and ignore.  It also has the bonus that they can't disrupt the campus for the rest of the people who may want to (gasp) get an education.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Not teachins, but propaganda dissemination events where one revisionist version of history is given. A version that ignores the actual history of the place such as the Ottoman empire having ruled for centuries and that there being no actual palestinian nation o, nor a Lebanon or Saudi Arabia or Jordan, but there was a specific department for what we today know as israel which was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The revisionists blame European colonial powers, but really what exists is the remnants of the Ottoman Empire.

This is in response to my comment: "The encampments are teach-ins so that those who are appalled by the Gaza War can learn the historical background, etc." Speaking of historical revisionism, the whole Zionist trope was "A land without people for a people without land." In fact, the people of Palestine were there for millennia. 

 

A significant point is that the British and French divided up this part of the Middle East, and that the British made promises to the Arabs on site and to Jews in the UK regarding the destiny of Palestine. During the 30s a certain Christian Zionist in the Palestine administration helped train Jewish militias that later did ethnic cleansing when the British left. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orde_Wingate

10 minutes ago, Goat said:

So basically give them a bit like Gaza. But without the bombing of kids, women and all their stuff.

Are you an Israeli?

 

Of course he is .

15 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

Really ?

There is no other conflict like this one .

Or do you think this is just another war ?

No , it is not .

Anyway , trigger happy Israel is losing it , despite the 34000 dead palestinians and the total destruction of Gaza .

Israels reputation is now that of a fascist regime that has no regards for the life of of non-jewish humans .

Gaza will not be forgotten and Israels reputation in the rest of the world is ruined and will be compared to the Nazi holocaust .

A little empathy towards the many dead kids and women could have prevented this .

But that was asked to much .

They bulldozed all they could and , later , will try to find the normal excuses that we are already used to ...

It is their way of thinking ...

Ok , Hamas attacked after years of suppression by the Israelis .

They should not have done this . There was only senseless violence towards innocent individuals ( the festival goers )

But Nethanjahus response was out of proportion and amounts in it's essence to a crime against humanity .

Every action in this life provokes a re-action , the israelis knew that , but still did it .

Now , live with the consequences .

 

All completely wrong and irrelevant.

 

This particular confilct has "the jooos", and a convenient Marxist settler/colonial narrative built in for those of low intelligence to exploit.  Kind of a 'twofer' for the bigoted and uninformed. They can be anti-Jewish while claiming to be for 'justice' for the oppressed. This narrative doesn't fit as nicely into other conflicts, even though the other conflicts are far more terrible in human terms.

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I agree 100%, as do most sensible people.  Protest away, as long as you don't damage property or infringe on the rights of other people to go about their lives, work, study, etc. At that point, you lose your legitimacy and drift into criminality.

 

As an aside, it is strange to me that all these 'protesters' would probably consider themselves staunch environmentalists too. Yet they leave behind the most disgusting messes when they lose interest in their 'cause' or are expelled. 

100% in agreement in totality of comment !

27 minutes ago, placnx said:

This you said in response to @pegman: "

 

You can read numerous reports about Apartheid in Israel here: https://www.amnesty.org/en/search/apartheid in israel/

Attached is Amnesty's 277 page report (pdf) can be accessed at this link: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/

Human Rights Watch also has a report: https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution

 

Leftist biased propaganda is not evidence. 18 % of Israeli residents are Arabs with full equal rights, more than in many Muslim countries, especially for woman and gays. Israel is NOT an apartheid state the very suggestion is laughable.

35 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

Here :

 

Al-Nassr was not satisfied with these comments alone, as he went on in his speech to commend the “Flood of Al-Aqsa operation” (Hamas’s name for the October 7th massacre), claiming that this was only a “prelude to the annihilation of the corruption of the ‘second Zionist entity’ upon eath.”  

He then referred to a presumably Godly promise for the ingathering of Jews in the land of Palestine as preparation for the ‘battle of the next generation,’ which according to Al-Nassr, would bring an end to the Jewish state.

 

 

 

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/qatari-official-jews-are-murderers-of-prophets-october-7th-is-only-a-prelude-798358

 

 

 

 

Israel said that they were going to ban al-Jazeera. The J Post diatribe against Qatar is predicated on a person who doesn't represent Qatar. Would anyone take this seriously? Yes, the J Post for its own motivations.

4 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Leftist biased propaganda is not evidence. 18 % of Israeli residents are Arabs with full equal rights, more than in many Muslim countries, especially for woman and gays. Israel is NOT an apartheid state the very suggestion is laughable.

That's what Israel would have us believe.

Now to get back on track,

chuck in some tear gas & close off the building. No one in, no one out.

 

59 minutes ago, Presto said:

For your reading pleasure:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/31/israeli-minister-reiterates-calls-for-palestinians-to-leave-gaza

Yea ok, Al Jazeera, one of Hamas's favorite employers. Pure pro Hamas propaganda

4 minutes ago, placnx said:

Israel said that they were going to ban al-Jazeera. The J Post diatribe against Qatar is predicated on a person who doesn't represent Qatar. Would anyone take this seriously? Yes, the J Post for its own motivations.

 

    The Qatari person who said it was : Essa Al-Nassr, member of the Gulf state’s legislative body and a brigadier general at the Emiri Guard , he DOES represent Qatar and that is 
Qatars stance against Jewish Israelis and Qatar supports Hamas and Al=Jazeera .

   They are very biased towards Hamas , 100 % biased 

Like most of these young “not very radical imo” protesters around the globe, only a minority of them have a freakin clue about what they’re actually protesting about ….

7 minutes ago, placnx said:

That's what Israel would have us believe.

 

  
Those are facts , you seem to be the only person in the World disputing those facts 

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea ok, Al Jazeera, one of Hamas's favorite employers. Pure pro Hamas propaganda

Do you have a hearing problem? Which part of this article, including the video, is Hamas propaganda?

Just now, Presto said:

Do you have a hearing problem? Which part of this article, including the video, is Hamas propaganda?

I can hear perfectly well, was there an audio you wanted me to listen to?