Trump Pledges to Cut Federal Funding for Schools with Vaccine Mandates

[RobU]

1 hour ago, thesetat said:

I am confused alot by you logic. IF an unvaccinated kid sits next to a vaccinated kid. Does this mean the vaccinated kid will get so sick and die or worse? If so, then what is the point of being vaccinated for anything. My kids had the measles vaccines but still caught measles in the school classroom. Even the COVID vaccine does not prevent you from getting COVID. So why should you force another child to do and believe what you want when there is nothing for prevention in that vaccine.  Whow has the right to tell me what i should or should not inject into my kid.. If you choose it for your kid and believe they are protected in some way. Then the kid next to them in class getting sick will not affect your child. 

 

A vaccination strengthens the immune system to assist the body's natural defences. A vaccinated child can still carry the virus it means that the vaccinated child will be better able to fight the virus and will not have any symptoms worse than a common cold and mostly no symptoms at all.   But the unvaccinated child will suffer the full effect of the virus, thus it is the unvaccinated child who would sicken and perhaps die. 

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, paul1804 said:

His vaccine mandate is the Covid Vaccine, not other essential vaccines that are proven safe unlike the MRNA shots thats effecting the healthy lives of many. 

Did he tell you this?
The christians would prefer it to apply to all vaccinations. Trump is pandering to their votes, so I'm far from sure your reasoning is correct.

[RobU]

Anti Vaxers really need to read up on how vaccines work. Vaccines do not replace the body's natural defences. Vaccines support the body defences by causing the body to produce antibodies against the virus without catching the virus.  Normally the body only produces antibodies to fight a virus once the individual has actually caught the virus, which is too late for the body to mitigate the the deleterious effects of the virus since the virus overwhelms the immune system. Vaccinated people can still catch the virus but it will have little or no effect because their immune system is prepared to fight it. Unvaccinated people can catch the virus from vaccinated people, who don't even know they have it, and because they are not vaccinated they will suffer severe symptoms and possibly die or be severely incapacitated, sometimes,  as with polio, for the rest of their lives. Parents who stop their child from being vaccinated should be charged with child neglect. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, thesetat said:

I am confused alot by you logic. IF an unvaccinated kid sits next to a vaccinated kid. Does this mean the vaccinated kid will get so sick and die or worse? If so, then what is the point of being vaccinated for anything. My kids had the measles vaccines but still caught measles in the school classroom. Even the COVID vaccine does not prevent you from getting COVID. So why should you force another child to do and believe what you want when there is nothing for prevention in that vaccine.  Whow has the right to tell me what i should or should not inject into my kid.. If you choose it for your kid and believe they are protected in some way. Then the kid next to them in class getting sick will not affect your child. 

 

1. No vaccine provides 100% protection, but the measles vaccine comes close:

 

"The MMR vaccine is very safe and effective. Two doses of MMR vaccine are about 97% effective at preventing measles; one dose is about 93% effective."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/measles/index.html

 

2. The reasons for the measles vaccine mandates at the state level -- where generally there are also exemptions made available for religious and medical reasons -- is that measles is a highly infectious and potentially deadly disease.

 

"In 2021, there were an estimated 9 million cases and 128,000 deaths from measles worldwide. Twenty-two countries experienced large and disruptive outbreaks. Declines in vaccine coverage, weakened measles surveillance, and continued interruptions and delays in immunization activities due to COVID-19, as well as persistent large outbreaks in 2022, mean that measles is an imminent threat in every region of the world."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/p1123-measles-threat.html

 

3. The reason for the measles vaccine mandate is when societies get to the 95% vaccination rate -- which the U.S. and the U.K. currently have fallen short of, and thus have been experiencing measles outbreaks -- measles will no longer spread and even those who are unvaccinated should be protected.

 

"Measles, for example, spreads so easily that an estimated 95% of a population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. In turn, the remaining 5% have protection because, at 95% coverage, measles will no longer spread. For polio, the threshold is about 80%. 

 

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/herd-immunity

 

 

[candide]

3 hours ago, cncltd1973 said:

I never agree with Trump, but I think Covid was a huge overreaction that largely affected the obese, elderly and sick. forcing the entire population to vax is a mistake. the US lost 1/3 of 1% of the weak and frail, that's natural, survival of the fittest. if you want to live than try putting some effort into health and longevity instead of making everyone vax. I'm for polio and measles vax but covid doesn't belong in those ranks.

The obese, elderly, the sick...and the dumb. You forgot the dumb! 😆

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2022/06/06/people-living-in-pro-trump-counties-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-study-finds/

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study

Edited May 13 by candide

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To the poster that gave me a confused emoji, do you think I should be forced to get something injected into my body that I do not want?

Do you support dictatorship?

Do you believe propaganda?

But what about some professional help to protect society as a whole?

[cdemundo]

The personal pet theories of autocrats have been tested in the USSR under Stalin and in the PRC under Mao. They resulted in famines and millions of deaths.

Now the possibility of similar insane mandates in the USA looms.

Heaven help the USA.

[EVENKEEL]

I wouldn't give my kid the covid vaxx. What's wrong with you people.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Regarding state measles vaccine mandates for children, this 2015 journal article provides some background on the various opt-out options that are typically available. The state tally numbers probably have changed some over the years, but the opt-out category options remain.

 

"Opt-outs from these school-entry vaccination requirements do exist, though. All 50 states allow children to be exempted for medical contraindications to vaccines, 48 states (all but West Virginia and Mississippi) allow religious exemptions, and 19 states allow personal belief or philosophical exemptions. These philosophical exemptions primarily exist to reduce infringement on individual choice and enhance the sustainability and acceptability of compulsory vaccination."

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4388794/

 

FWIW, with Republicans taking over control of a lot of state Legislatures in recent years in the mid-West and South, the above exception listings probably have expanded now to more states than was the case back in 2015.

 

The point of the historic policy in the U.S. has been to make childhood vaccinations the default option,  and then allow individual exceptions as warranted.

 

 

Edited May 13 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I wouldn't give my kid the covid vaxx. What's wrong with you people.

 

COVID-19 Vaccination and Incidence of Pediatric SARS-CoV-2 Infection and Hospitalization

"We provide evidence that California’s pediatric COVID-19 immunization program averted 376 085 (95% PI, 348 355-417 328) reported cases and 273 (95% PI, 77-605) hospitalizations among children aged 6 months to 15 years during the 4 to 7 months following vaccine availability. This represents a reduction of 26.3% of the number of cases that would have been seen in this population absent the vaccine."

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2817868

 

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

COVID-19 Vaccination and Incidence of Pediatric SARS-CoV-2 Infection and Hospitalization

"We provide evidence that California’s pediatric COVID-19 immunization program averted 376 085 (95% PI, 348 355-417 328) reported cases and 273 (95% PI, 77-605) hospitalizations among children aged 6 months to 15 years during the 4 to 7 months following vaccine availability. This represents a reduction of 26.3% of the number of cases that would have been seen in this population absent the vaccine."

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2817868

 

No deaths. Kids get sick. Carry on.

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, thesetat said:

I am confused alot by you logic. IF an unvaccinated kid sits next to a vaccinated kid. Does this mean the vaccinated kid will get so sick and die or worse? If so, then what is the point of being vaccinated for anything. My kids had the measles vaccines but still caught measles in the school classroom. Even the COVID vaccine does not prevent you from getting COVID. So why should you force another child to do and believe what you want when there is nothing for prevention in that vaccine.  

When you say "there is nothing for prevention in that vaccine" you are wrong.

 

Moreover, you have fallen into the fallacy that unless something provides 100% prevention, it's worthless. 

 

Seatbelts are a great example. They don't provide 100% security, but they are good enough that you wear one when you are in a car.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

No deaths. Kids get sick. Carry on.

 

More than 1,800 juvenile COVID deaths in the U.S. up thru mid-2023, leaving out all the hospitalizations.

 

Provisional COVID-19 deaths by age group, by sex: United States

 

 

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b-4pzv

 

And globally through 2023:

 

"Of the over 17,400 deaths reported in those under 20 years of age, 53 per cent occurred among adolescents ages 10–19, and 47 per cent among children ages 0–9.
 

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

 

Edited May 13 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Danderman123]

7 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

No deaths. Kids get sick. Carry on.

And when the kids are infected, other family members get sick and some die.

 

Carry on.

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

When you say "there is nothing for prevention in that vaccine" you are wrong.

 

Moreover, you have fallen into the fallacy that unless something provides 100% prevention, it's worthless. 

 

Seatbelts are a great example. They don't provide 100% security, but they are good enough that you wear one when you are in a car.

I wear the seat belt to stop the annoying alarm.

[Danderman123]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

More than 1,800 juvenile COVID deaths in the U.S. up thru mid-2023, leaving out all the hospitalizations.

 

 

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b-4pzv

 

And globally through 2023:

 

"Of the over 17,400 deaths reported in those under 20 years of age, 53 per cent occurred among adolescents ages 10–19, and 47 per cent among children ages 0–9.
 

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

 

The anti-vax types don't care if kids die, as long as they can own the libs.

 

Some don't care if *they* die, as long as they "win".

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

I wear the seat belt to stop the annoying alarm.

I would be happy to come over and turn off the alarm for you, if only to let Darwin have a win.

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

And when the kids are infected, other family members get sick and some die.

 

Carry on.

People die. A fact of life. Now take the masks off the kids.

[Scott Tracy]

7 hours ago, thesetat said:

It may damage the population in the future.

At least you will have a population in the future....

[EVENKEEL]

55 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I would be happy to come over and turn off the alarm for you, if only to let Darwin have a win.

Such drama. And I'd bet you have no young kids. But you love to judge.

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trolling comment removed

[frank83628]

7 hours ago, thesetat said:

I think that perhaps this is about the COVID mandate. Forcing kids to get a COVID vaccine. Not your normal vaccines that have been given and required for the last 80 or more years. 

I think the news service has twisted what he said once again to suit their agenda. 

As for requiring the COVID vaccine. That was just plain wrong to force kids to get it or not be allowed into schools. Noone knows yet what affect the vaccines will have on growing kids. Their bodies are constantly changing and that vaccine is relatively untested for these kids. It may damage the population in the future.

you would have been called an anti vax conspiracy theorist if you had sais that a year ago

 

[Eric Loh]

32 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I wouldn't give my kid the covid vaxx. What's wrong with you people.

What’s wrong with parents making the right decision to protect their kids. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/i-didnt-vaccinate-my-childand-i-regret-it

[Danderman123]

13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

People die. A fact of life. Now take the masks off the kids.

That's an excellent legal defense for a murderer.

 

"Your honor, yes, my client killed the victim, but what's the big deal? Everyone dies".

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

you would have been called an anti vax conspiracy theorist if you had sais that a year ago

 

He's an anti-vax conspiracy theorist now.

[Danderman123]

If we have a new, and more lethal pandemic in the future, the COVID Deniers are going to disappear quickly.

 

Conversely, the rest of us, having learned lessons from the last time, will do much better.

 

Let's hope that never comes to pass.

[frank83628]

6 hours ago, JCauto said:

 

It may damage the population in the future although despite hundreds of millions of vaccines being given to a very diverse set of populations there haven't been any evidence of such occurrence.

 

What IS known is that there were, in the USA, over one million excess deaths during the COVID-19 pandemic. This is not under dispute and the evidence is overwhelming. And it's likely grossly under-estimated as well.

 

https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2024/new-analysis-reveals-many-excess-deaths-attributed-to-natural-causes-are-actually-uncounted-covid-19-deaths/

 

What is also understood is that the poor leadership of President Trump with the disinformation, promotion of quackery and refusal to fund the mitigation efforts when needed, that there were likely 40% of those deaths that DIDN'T NEED TO OCCUR! That individual directly contributed to the deaths of approximately 500,000 Americans or more. That the same group of people who have no issues screaming in women's faces that "abortion is murder" also slavishly worship the man who directly caused the deaths of so many of their compatriots, but specifically among those, their fellow travelers, is something that future generations will look upon with astonishment. SAD!

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trumps-policy-failures-have-exacted-a-heavy-toll-on-public-health1/

 

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/25/1189939229/covid-deaths-democrats-republicans-gap-study

in the beginning when Trump wanted to ban travel from Chy-na, quite a few of the Dems were attacking him over it and claiming the covid was no worse than the flu. they soon turn around on that when they realise they could blame deaths on him!!

Trump had fauci and Brix as advisors, not sure what he didnt do. 

[Chomper Higgot]

Has the lesson not yet been learned?

 

Whenever Trump is in trouble or more to the point the news media are reporting on Trump’s troubles, he responds by putting out some outrageous statement to capture and divert the news narrative.

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

13 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

That's an excellent legal defense for a murderer.

 

"Your honor, yes, my client killed the victim, but what's the big deal? Everyone dies".

In your mind if a kid isn't vaccinated, they're murders? Take your meds and have mask handy, my unvaxxed kid is nearby.

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Has the lesson not yet been learned?

 

Whenever Trump is in trouble or more to the point the news media are reporting on Trump’s troubles, he responds by putting out some outrageous statement to capture and divert the news narrative.

 

 

You don't say? Politicians campaign. OMG

[frank83628]

7 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

He's an anti-vax conspiracy theorist now.

yeah, you would be one of those here i would imagine would be saying it.  a couple of others spring to mind too!