Popular Post ujayujay Posted May 15 Popular Post Share Posted May 15 19 hours ago, Gottfrid said: Of course, RIP. However, one must wonder what goes on in the head of these people? Do they not understand that the government nor hospitals are to blame for this. The choice to hunger strike, is only a thing that is going to hurt one self. There are probably better ways. Disgusting, inhumane attitude! How can one be so ignorant and applaud a state power that simply lets someone who does not follow the general state doctrine die like that??🤮 1 1 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Undies Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 The exact circumstances leading to her sudden heart failure have not been disclosed, keeping onlookers and concerned parties on tentacles On tentacles... maybe an octopus bit her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gottfrid Posted May 15 Popular Post Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, ujayujay said: Disgusting, inhumane attitude! How can one be so ignorant and applaud a state power that simply lets someone who does not follow the general state doctrine die like that??🤮 Hey, where did I applaud anything? Sure, it´s a tragic outcome, but there is no way you can blame either government nor hospital or doctors. She was the one refusing treatment. She was the one refusing to eat. That´s the core facts that has led to the result. What is disgusting and totally wrong is that when everything else fail, people see it as the last way out by making a martyr of themselves. I see that as lack of intelligence to find another way to try and deal with as well as fight the problem. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottfrid Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, ikke1959 said: She believed in amending section 112 and died for it and the ones who refuse or hide behind the law should think twice now There is many people who believe in amending of that section. However, they not go kill themselves for it. I rather respect human intelligence than suicide. I totally agree with you, that the people who are hiding behind the law should think twice, but why do you think they will do that? Just because 1 girl committed suicide for what she believed in? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroubleandGrumpy Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 18 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said: Maybe she should have eaten regularly, like most of us. Why should the prison care for people who don't eat and obviously want to die? There is far more to this story than is being provided - but best not to speak ill of the dead. Suffice to say that she has been a serial protestor for many years (not just this current issue). Take a look at who she left eveything to in her Will - that says something that IMO should not be said right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anchadian Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Thai Enquirer @ThaiEnquirer The Department of Corrections said activist Netiporn "Bung Thaluwang" Sanesangkhom was eating some food after she was sent back from Thammasat University Hospital, and it was Thammasat University Hospital's decision to send her back to the Department of Corrections Hospital in April. Sompop Sangkhutkaew, Chief Inspector General of the Department of Corrections, said the political activist had been incarcerated since January 26 and had been on a hunger strike since her admission. During the hunger strike, she had been in and out of the Department of Corrections Hospital and was detained there between February 29 and March 8 due to fatigue. On March 8, she was transferred to Thammasat University Hospital, where she was treated until April 4. The department stated that it was Thammasat University Hospital's decision to send Netiporn back to the Department of Corrections Hospital. Upon her return, she was reportedly eating some food and was being detained at the hospital in the same room as Tantawan "Tawan" Tuatulanon, another detained youth activist on hunger strike. https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1790604802164175324 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoop1130 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 Lawyer Questions Activist's Death Cause: Autopsy Results Awaited Prominent Thai political activist Nethiporn, affectionately known as Bung Talu Wang, found herself the subject of a ponderous autopsy today, following an abrupt and hotly disputed demise last week. Results from this potent process, conducted at the Forensic Medicine Department of Thammasat University Hospital, are slated for release later today. The delicate operation drew the focused attention of key figures, such as Lawyer Krisadang Nutcharas from the Thai Lawyers for Human Rights Centre and an anonymous sister of the late activist. The parents abstained, their incredible grief keeping them at bay. Krisadang, a formidable legal force, voiced critical doubts concerning two aspects of the Corrections Department's account, sparking the decision for today's crucial autopsy. The objective is not merely to confirm identity, as the May 14 autopsy had done, but to conclusively nail down the cause of Nethiporn's untimely passing. The Corrections Department’s heart failure verdict, which came under considerable scrutiny, necessitated a deeper investigative dive. Bothering to bridge speculation and truth, Krisadang demanded a comprehensive exploration of all potential causes for Nethiporn's heart failure. The agenda involved an all-encompassing scrutiny of physical injuries, toxicity, and possible heart issues. Additionally, Krisadang questioned the Corrections Department's initial medical response, laying bare the importance of accurate and timely treatment. While the lawyer predicted that the thorough toxicology reports might take weeks, he assured the eager public and grieving relatives that the religious rites for Nethiporn could proceed. The necessary evidence had been well-documented through meticulous photographs and video footage, he confirmed. The lawyer, ever vigilant, spotlighted inconsistencies in the Corrections Department's narrative. He underscored the importance of rigorously examining all leading events that ended in Nethiporn's hospitalisation and the subsequent medical response. Krisadang pressed, leaning into the clamouring doubts, requesting a wider probe into the quality of the healthcare provided at the Corrections Department's facility. He posed an uncomfortable question: did budget constraints factor into Nethiporn's care? In a plea for justice, the lawyer urged Justice Minister Tawee Sodsong to guarantee evidence preservation and the facilitation of an impartial, unblemished inquiry. Nethiporn's funeral rites are set to commence at Wat Suthatthep Wararam in Lat Krabang from May 16. Meanwhile, her family has politely requested the press and public respect their need for privacy during this harrowing time. A cremation ceremony will follow the rites on May 19. As the autopsy unfolds, the deeply missed activist's wavering cause of death haunts a nation struggling for answers. Today's outcome hopes to bring some closure to Nethiporn's family, friends, and supporters. Photo courtesy of The Thaiger -- 2024-05-15 Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamnutsak Posted May 15 Popular Post Share Posted May 15 An interesting opinion piece... Opinion – The ‘Evil of Indifference’ in Bung’s death https://www.thaienquirer.com/52213/opinion-the-evil-of-indifference-in-bungs-death/ 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicalevo Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, snoop1130 said: but to conclusively nail down the cause of Nethiporn's untimely passing. Sadly, the truth will probably never be known for this poor lass and her family. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecyclist Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/14/2024 at 3:11 PM, bob smith said: she gave her life for what she believed in. That's more than can be said for any AN members. bob. You never know. There might be a hero or two among us. It isn't me though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazykopite Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/14/2024 at 2:52 PM, Gottfrid said: Of course, RIP. However, one must wonder what goes on in the head of these people? Do they not understand that the government nor hospitals are to blame for this. The choice to hunger strike, is only a thing that is going to hurt one self. There are probably better ways. Such as !!!! I remember the hunger strikes in Northern Ireland in particular Bobby Sands who today is regarded as a martyr for giving his life in protest . This lady I suspect will one day be treated in the same way I’m sure that her death will encourage more of the younger generation to demand change 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crazykopite Posted May 15 Popular Post Share Posted May 15 23 hours ago, hotchilli said: Thaksins bed is now free... Why was she not given the same treatment afforded to Thaksin it proves that if you have immense wealth you are treated much differently sadly the Thai justice system appears to favour the wealthy 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 On 5/15/2024 at 4:38 AM, anchadian said: You should be ashamed of yourself. American are you? On ignore for you. RIP Khun Bung I don't think he is American - German is my guess... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hotchilli Posted May 16 Popular Post Share Posted May 16 On 5/14/2024 at 2:50 PM, Purdey said: Expect Thaksin comparisons. There is no comparison, Thaksin is treated like a god... she was treated like a common criminal. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobodysfriend Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) 23 hours ago, Aussie999 said: UN Human Rights - Thailand. Just what do you do to justify your existence... do you not understand freedom of speech, go read UN article 19. Article 19 Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. ... seems to be in direct conflict with 112 ... Edited May 16 by nobodysfriend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 6 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said: Article 19 Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. ... seems to be in direct conflict with 112 ... The Thai constitution guarantees these rights, but with significant and broad, limitations... Section 34. A person shall enjoy the liberty to express opinions, make speeches, write, print, publicise and express by other means. The restriction of such liberty shall not be imposed, except by virtue of the provisions of law specifically enacted for the purpose of maintaining the security of the State, protecting the rights or liberties of other persons, maintaining public order or good morals, or protecting the health of the people. Academic freedom shall be protected. However, the exercise of such freedom shall not be contrary to the duties of the Thai people or good morals, and shall respect and not obstruct the different views of another person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobodysfriend Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 14 hours ago, bamnutsak said: An interesting opinion piece... Opinion – The ‘Evil of Indifference’ in Bung’s death https://www.thaienquirer.com/52213/opinion-the-evil-of-indifference-in-bungs-death/ ..." Her passing has ignited a storm of social media comments with the worst among us calling her death ‘deserved’ for her perceived slights towards the high institutions of the country. " ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobodysfriend Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 3 minutes ago, bamnutsak said: The restriction of such liberty shall not be imposed, except by virtue of the provisions of law specifically enacted for the purpose of maintaining the security of the State ... or maintaining public order or good morals ... She was deemed a threat to the security of the state ? Or to public order and good morals ? Shame shame shame ... RIP Nethiporn . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamnutsak Posted May 16 Popular Post Share Posted May 16 2 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said: She was deemed a threat to the security of the state ? Or to public order and good morals ? Well, I did say there were "broad" limitations that can be used to stifle political discourse. Raising three fingers, reading a book while eating a sandwich, and honking your horn can be deemed a threat to the security of the state. I'm sure they could make a case for complaining about the weather being seditious. The idea is to use these on just a few people and make an example of them (in this case by contributing to their death) thereby scaring the population into self-censorship and silence. Absolute power is useless unless it is trotted out occasionally to frighten the masses. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobodysfriend Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) 18 minutes ago, bamnutsak said: The idea is to use these on just a few people and make an example of them (in this case by contributing to their death) thereby scaring the population into self-censorship and silence. Absolute power is useless unless it is trotted out occasionally to frighten the masses. Intelligent post . You made it clear without directly saying it ... but this time , it led to the death of a young woman . Something needs to change here ... I hope they vote for it , next time ... again .. Edited May 16 by nobodysfriend 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaywalker2 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 5/14/2024 at 2:52 PM, Gottfrid said: Of course, RIP. However, one must wonder what goes on in the head of these people? Do they not understand that the government nor hospitals are to blame for this. The choice to hunger strike, is only a thing that is going to hurt one self. There are probably better ways. Yeah, what? The government just announced it's considering including lese majesty detainees in its political amnesty legislation, a direct consequence of her death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john donson Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 if you don't eat and drink, well that is expected but she was eating again? maybe refeeding syndrome that killed many auschwitz victims from eating too much after surviving years of famine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 8 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said: The government just announced it's considering including lese majesty detainees in its political amnesty legislation This was MFP MP Chaithawat Tulathon saying that this is a priority. Amnesty for 112 will NEVER, EVER be a thing. For a brief period in 2020... HM KING PUTS STOP ON USES OF ROYAL INSULT LAW: PM BANGKOK — PM Prayut Chan-o-cha on Monday said His Majesty the King has instructed the authorities to refrain from pressing royal defamation charges against members of the public. Gen. Prayut said King Vajiralongkorn has expressed his clemency and called for no further use of Article 112 of the Penal Codes, known as the lese majeste law, which carries a maximum penalty of 15 years in jail. However, the Prime Minister said Thais shouldn’t take the opportunity to insult the monarchy. “His Majesty the King has … instructed me personally over the past two to three years to refrain from the use of the Law,” Prayut said. https://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2020/06/15/hm-king-puts-stop-on-uses-of-royal-insult-law-pm/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post klauskunkel Posted May 16 Popular Post Share Posted May 16 20 hours ago, Gottfrid said: Sure, it´s a tragic outcome, but there is no way you can blame either government nor hospital or doctors. She was the one refusing treatment. She was the one refusing to eat. That´s the core facts that has led to the result. What is disgusting and totally wrong is that when everything else fail, people see it as the last way out by making a martyr of themselves. I see that as lack of intelligence to find another way to try and deal with as well as fight the problem. She put the international spotlight onto a law that is used for oppression, making those upholding and misusing it very uncomfortable. We are so used to Thai politicians changing their ideology and party for their own gain, she makes them look like spineless parasites. She died for her ideals. There are those AN posters who say she committed suicide, do you really think she made the conscious decision to end her life? She defended her political conviction with the only means available to her: hunger strike. What killed her were the attitudes of bureaucrats adhering to the system, and the phlegmatic public attitude about that law. 1 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felton Jarvis Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 5/14/2024 at 6:51 PM, bob smith said: what a truly awful statement. shocking level of understanding you have. bob. This forum is full of people with the same lack of compassion. Hardly unusual for Asean Now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On 5/14/2024 at 5:45 PM, Gottfrid said: waste of a life You for one shouldn't be talking about a waste of life. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bob smith Posted May 16 Popular Post Share Posted May 16 58 minutes ago, klauskunkel said: she makes them look like spineless parasites That's what most of them are! Most only got to where they are by having the luxury of coming from a wealthy family and using their networks to lobby themselves into the hot seat. They wouldn't last two seconds on a level playing field competing on merits alone. All they know is nepotism. bob. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottfrid Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, klauskunkel said: She put the international spotlight onto a law that is used for oppression, making those upholding and misusing it very uncomfortable. We are so used to Thai politicians changing their ideology and party for their own gain, she makes them look like spineless parasites. She died for her ideals. There are those AN posters who say she committed suicide, do you really think she made the conscious decision to end her life? She defended her political conviction with the only means available to her: hunger strike. What killed her were the attitudes of bureaucrats adhering to the system, and the phlegmatic public attitude about that law. Uncomfortable? So, you mean a change is coming? No, that´s what I thought. Yes, it seems that she deliberately took her own life, as there are other means and other ways then resorting to hunger strike. So, yes, she killed herself. Edited May 16 by Gottfrid 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottfrid Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 11 minutes ago, Srikcir said: You for one shouldn't be talking about a waste of life. Ops! Just found a good song for you. 😂 On, the other hand, you probably got rid of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 555... Human Rights, in Thailand, what a joke. If there was such a thing, this lady would not have been detained, along with so many others. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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