Rishi Sunak vows to bring back National Service

[englishoak]

58 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Doomed, doomed, we’re all doomed. 

 

Not yet but Labour isnt saving anything let alone going to change the direction of innovation or tech nor slow things down  now is it ? 

 

The entire political class is way behind the curve and the civil service who really run the country decade in decade out dosnt care about anything but its own pay cheques & is only reactive not proactive which is badly needed. ie  its not fit for purpose.

 

   Only thing to do is pay attention and adapt as best possible. Trade skills and people who can fix things & practical is an option, for now. Social science degrees and skills in moaning not so much. 

[mikecha]

Great idea .

Drill Pig  asking what is your number son  and shouting big time 

reply was two four double shovel eight knife fork and spoon SIR 

drill pig  said is that the new army Number son  

 

recruit replied yes sir  

 

for the next 354 days  he did running rounds around the drill square  national service finished .

[newbee2022]

19 hours ago, CharlieH said:

 

Prime Minister reveals radical plan to force all 18-year-olds to serve in the military for 12 months 

 

If the Conservatives win the upcoming General Election, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak plans to introduce compulsory National Service for all 18-year-olds. He announced this surprising proposal in an article for The Mail on Sunday.

Under this plan, school-leavers would have to spend a year either in a full-time role with the Armed Forces or volunteering with organisations like the police or the NHS. This idea is based on similar systems already used in some European countries.

This bold move is expected to create mixed reactions but will certainly stir up the first full week of the election campaign.

Mr. Sunak explained that the 'reinvented' scheme would offer 'life-changing opportunities for our young people.' He also said, "As a father, I look forward to my own two daughters doing their National Service; I think they will find it a rewarding experience."

He added, "Being British is about more than just the queue you join at passport control."

 

The idea of making school-leavers join the scheme is expected to be the most controversial part. However, No. 10 says that only about 10 percent of 18-year-olds are likely to choose a full military commitment for the whole 12 months, while most would work just one weekend a month.

If the Conservatives win, a Royal Commission will be set up to finalize the details, and the scheme could start as soon as September next year.

 

Secretly Planned National Service

The plan for bringing back National Service was developed in secret, with only Mr. Sunak’s close advisers, including former Tory leader William Hague, being informed about it.

In their private 40-page plan, the advisers argued that the growing threats from countries like Russia and China need to be addressed by strengthening the Armed Forces. They also pointed out the ongoing issue of many young adults feeling aimless, with nearly 750,000 people aged 18 to 24 currently out of work and a high percentage involved in the criminal justice system.

The civic roles could include assisting with flood defenses and community aid during natural disasters, providing support roles in the NHS, working in fire safety, or joining the RNLI or mountain search and rescue teams.

 

As reported by Mail Online

 

2024-05-26

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Perfect decision. Let these lazy youngsters serve one year far away from her Mom's 

[Hardcastle P]

Its to hoped he though it through better than his prorogial   speech in the rain 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, englishoak said:

 

You have your head in the proverbial sand. I dont like it either  but im not fool enough to pretend its just another industrial revolution, its way past that already. You cant retrain farmers to be AI engineers or warehouse staff to robotic maintenance crews.  Whats coming  ISNT like Marx envisioned at all no, this will be much much more disruptive.Think automation on ever increasing steroids regarding mental tasks as well as physical & creative and its global, starting in the most developed countries. 

 

Why do you think theres  push for military conscription ? de globalisation is already well underway.  Taxes largely come from working people & govs take whats happening in the private sector already very  seriously.  UBI is in pilot stages in many countries  & not everyone is going to be happy about it so control will be needed, human for now.   

 

 AI is already widely used and will drastically effect everyone over the next 10 years. Within 15 every industry will have  reduced its workforce and costs significantly . You dont attend industry meetings and trade shows maybe but I do. There is a huge push and investment interest for automation & AI prospects, literally hundreds of billions  is being invested.. from AI Art to music, sales to warehouse, from farming to IT, from Media to Law, Medical to Real estate, Management to Security. Education to Research etc etc its already happening .  Big corps will continue to push things as fast as they are able seeking more profits & Jobs are going to be done increasingly faster, better, cheaper,  more efficiently and reliably with the continuing development of AI. Possibly soon, true  AGI will happen then automation possibilities will increase at an astonishing pace most are unprepared for and there will be ofc  increasing  civil unrest .... mark my words.

 

As for 18s being conscripted, yup its be both sexes and Labour will do the same in the near future because they will have no choice but to  as things unravel for the vast majority and their prospects.. 

 

 

  

 

 

Excellent post and I agree with "head in the sand" 100 %

 

It's coming whether we like it or not. The benefits to industry leaders and the 1% are too great to believe otherwise. The problem will come when billions are unemployed and without prospects. No wonder militarized police forces are being created.

 

Given that the unemployed will not be buying anything, they must have a different business plan in mind, as simple profits will vanish.

 

I'm actually quite happy not to be here when it kicks off, and very happy I didn't have children to suffer.

[shackleton]

He can say what he likes to introduce not going to happen 

The Conservatives will not be in power 😱

Maybe Labour could introduce National Service get a few people off the dole 🥳

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, shackleton said:

He can say what he likes to introduce not going to happen 

The Conservatives will not be in power 😱

Maybe Labour could introduce National Service get a few people off the dole 🥳

A few unemployed former Tory MPs

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, englishoak said:

 

Not yet but Labour isnt saving anything let alone going to change the direction of innovation or tech nor slow things down  now is it ? 

 

The entire political class is way behind the curve and the civil service who really run the country decade in decade out dosnt care about anything but its own pay cheques & is only reactive not proactive which is badly needed. ie  its not fit for purpose.

 

   Only thing to do is pay attention and adapt as best possible. Trade skills and people who can fix things & practical is an option, for now. Social science degrees and skills in moaning not so much. 

Oddly, IMO, the jobs least likely to vanish soon will be service jobs like hairdressers and waiters etc. It's going to take some time to accustom the surviving populace to having a robot waiter or hairdresser.

Trades will vanish. Cars already diagnose themselves and humans merely change parts, easily replicated by a machine. Fruit picking- machine, Movies- AI replicates any actor perfectly, already. Doctors- humans make mistakes- an AI/ robot doctor will not. Surgery can be done by computer controlled machine already. Cars- self drive already on the way. Etc etc etc.

 

BTW, we went along with it. There were no demonstrations when machines replaced humans in banks, supermarkets, cinemas and parking buildings etc. Want to blame anyone- look in the mirror.

[shackleton]

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A few unemployed former Tory MPs

 

Never a truer word spoken in Jest 🥳

[transam]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

A few unemployed former Tory MPs

 

Oh, the Tory basher has turned up..........🙄

 

But, I bet you are looking forward to Angela Rayner at the despatch box, trying to control her pub chat lingo............😂

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh, the Tory basher has turned up..........🙄

 

But, I bet you are looking forward to Angela Rayner at the despatch box, trying to control her pub chat lingo............😂

If you go to the top of the thread and read the OP  you’ll find it’s a Tory PM Sunak topic.

[transam]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you go to the top of the thread and read the OP  you’ll find it’s a Tory PM Sunak topic.

I know, I was responding to your post..........🙄

[siftasam]

Seriously now.....

 

One of the saddest things I've ever heard in my very long life was in a BBC TV report from inside a British tank being heavily fired upon in one of the Middle Eastern wars.

 

A young British soldier, naturally very fearful, said to the camera : "When I joined the Army, nobody ever told me that I'd be shot at."

[englishoak]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oddly, IMO, the jobs least likely to vanish soon will be service jobs like hairdressers and waiters etc. It's going to take some time to accustom the surviving populace to having a robot waiter or hairdresser.

Trades will vanish. Cars already diagnose themselves and humans merely change parts, easily replicated by a machine. Fruit picking- machine, Movies- AI replicates any actor perfectly, already. Doctors- humans make mistakes- an AI/ robot doctor will not. Surgery can be done by computer controlled machine already. Cars- self drive already on the way. Etc etc etc.

 

BTW, we went along with it. There were no demonstrations when machines replaced humans in banks, supermarkets, cinemas and parking buildings etc. Want to blame anyone- look in the mirror.

 

Defo the service industry is v keen on automation. Wages and pensions costs make it a no brainier. Largest online only supermarket and leading retail  tech group here moved to its new updated & automated warehouse a few months ago, cut its warehouse positions by 1200 then cut half its head office support depts by 25%.  Only dept that grew was delivery drivers. Large retail brands from Banks to all high street names  are closing their doors and or cutting locations. It'll only continue.. The gig economy is also on borrowed time, copywriters, artists, travel agents & translators defunct & gone v soon. Translators  will very soon even cope with Issan, Bronx & Scouse slang no problem . 

 

Pretty sure trades and jobs that require specific critical thinking and adaptive skills such as Plumbing, Decorating, General Builders, Handyman & Landscaping/Gardeners will be ok for some time due to the complexity &  variety. Auto Mechanics & most shop/ office staff wont fare well I agree and so many others. From highly paid executives to the cashier   Anyone in accounting/payroll & half of office depts will vanish as will much of the middle management and executives along with them.  Many highly paid professional sectors especially services consulting  will have to retrain in something they dont understand or likely enjoy or be unemployed. About 50% of over 40s will not or cannot make that change that late in their career/life. 

 

Teachers/tutors will be replaced by a personal AI tutor able to both relate and never ridicule or lose patience with the child, or adult. Each to their own ability and pace and at the same time being a mentor will also become their confidant and therapist. Possibly their  personal doctor too.  AI is already increasingly used in diagnosing conditions and can spot things on xrays & tests the best doctors cannot. All of it on an app or program you can take with you anywhere, on any platform and will write its own migration software to do so. Theres already some mind blowing tech and start ups out there using AI to create agents to self improve and specialise and they arnt going to get anything but better.. 

 

And yes people have not made enough noise early enough and responsible for allowing it but then most everyone has no clue of its scope and influence already, being far too wrapped up in life, paying the bills, dealing with the usual stuff and on the wheel to pay much attention other than happily accept any convenience thrown at them... .. alas most would rather tap and go etc until they cant on what they want only what they are sanctioned to buy, where an when, just as Thailand's proposed digital handout will be.  

 

The only thing I can see that will slow things down would  be a  crash in the global power grids from something like a solar storm frying a large % of everything electrical  which ofc would cause instant chaos riots & mayhem in turn. Or more likely as economies attempt to transition use anything to distract the populous such as regional wars etc.

 

Be well m8 im glad im not 18 today thats for sure. 

Edited May 27 by englishoak

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, englishoak said:

 

Defo the service industry is v keen on automation. Wages and pensions costs make it a no brainier. Largest online only supermarket and leading retail  tech group here moved to its new updated & automated warehouse a few months ago, cut its warehouse positions by 1200 then cut half its head office support depts by 25%.  Only dept that grew was delivery drivers. Large retail brands from Banks to all high street names  are closing their doors and or cutting locations. It'll only continue.. The gig economy is also on borrowed time, copywriters, artists, travel agents & translators defunct & gone v soon. Translators  will very soon even cope with Issan, Bronx & Scouse slang no problem . 

 

Pretty sure trades and jobs that require specific critical thinking and adaptive skills such as Plumbing, Decorating, General Builders, Handyman & Landscaping/Gardeners will be ok for some time due to the complexity &  variety. Auto Mechanics & most shop/ office staff wont fare well I agree and so many others. From highly paid executives to the cashier   Anyone in accounting/payroll & half of office depts will vanish as will much of the middle management and executives along with them.  Many highly paid professional sectors especially services consulting  will have to retrain in something they dont understand or likely enjoy or be unemployed. About 50% of over 40s will not or cannot make that change that late in their career/life. 

 

Teachers/tutors will be replaced by a personal AI tutor able to both relate and never ridicule or lose patience with the child, or adult. Each to their own ability and pace and at the same time being a mentor will also become their confidant and therapist. Possibly their  personal doctor too.  AI is already increasingly used in diagnosing conditions and can spot things on xrays & tests the best doctors cannot. All of it on an app or program you can take with you anywhere, on any platform and will write its own migration software to do so. Theres already some mind blowing tech and start ups out there using AI to create agents to self improve and specialise and they arnt going to get anything but better.. 

 

And yes people have not made enough noise early enough and responsible for allowing it but then most everyone has no clue of its scope and influence already, being far too wrapped up in life, paying the bills, dealing with the usual stuff and on the wheel to pay much attention other than happily accept any convenience thrown at them... .. alas most would rather tap and go etc until they cant on what they want only what they are sanctioned to buy, where an when, just as Thailand's proposed digital handout will be.  

 

The only thing I can see that will slow things down would  be a  crash in the global power grids from something like a solar storm frying a large % of everything electrical  which ofc would cause instant chaos riots & mayhem in turn. Or more likely as economies attempt to transition use anything to distract the populous such as regional wars etc.

 

Be well m8 im glad im not 18 today thats for sure. 

 I’ll make three predictions.

 

AI will strip more wealth from ordinary working people and funnel it to the already hyper wealthy.

 

Any proposals to address this and particularly proposals around taxation and regulation will be opposed by many amongst those who are themselves and/or their children are losing out to AI.

 

AI will not replace cap doffers and forelock tuggers.

 

 

 

Edited May 27 by Chomper Higgot

[youreavinalaff]

7 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Very clearly, you know nothing at all about the matter we are discussing. Rather like, perhaps, it's original political proposers. You seem to have painted yourself into a corner and are now, to coin a phrase " having a laugh"!

 

It would be interesting to know the service chiefs views on these proposals. We never will, they cannot comment on political proposals, and I doubt if they were ever consulted.

 

It does seem that a number of people are following our discussion. Many of them will understand if I declare "Endex"!

Once again, I've never professed to know how it will work.

 

You have but have not cleared up my question.

 

The difference here is you fail to accept that you don't now how it will work either. 

 

As an example, you mentioned 300 000 recruits. The proposed figure is 30 000. Only out 10 fold. 🤣🤣🤣

Edited May 27 by youreavinalaff

[youreavinalaff]

5 hours ago, john donson said:

if you believe some sources,   use the illegals, enlist them and promise them a legal way to become citizen

 

now they get it for free doing nothing but cause trouble and costs ANYWAY

 

people who are blind that illegal immigration is a good thing , wait a generation or two...

What do illegals get free?

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

20 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

And make the prospect of a career in the armed forces desirable and without restriction or limit depending upon status. Little Lord Fauntleroy shouldn't be guaranteed a commission because his father is a Wykehamist while a more capable and creative comprehensive lad has to tug the forelock for all his days in service.

 

 

20 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Do you not wish for your children's and grandchildren talents and abilities to be recognised without prejudice? Why do you think that they should have to be treated as lesser because you (presumably) aren't aristocracy?

I really don't want to pee on your bonfire, but when I was at the idiot factory (RMA Sandhurst) out of my platoon of 24 three were binned, all were from Public Schools, one (rather a nice chap actually) was an Etonian. A further half dozen were back termed, sent back to repeat a term. About half the platoon were from public schools.

 

That was in 1976, I very much doubt it has gone in the direction which you envisage over the last 50 years.

 

Grammar school Oik was I.

Edited May 27 by herfiehandbag

[PETERTHEEATER]

On 5/26/2024 at 7:43 AM, CharlieH said:

Prime Minister reveals radical plan to force all 18-year-olds to serve in the military for 12 months 

Totally inaccurate. Find and read the Conservative's explanation of what their 'National Service' entails.

 

 

 

[englishoak]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 I’ll make three predictions.

 

AI will strip more wealth from ordinary working people and funnel it to the already hyper wealthy.

 

Any proposals to address this and particularly proposals around taxation and regulation will be opposed by many amongst those who are themselves and/or their children are losing out to AI.

 

AI will not replace cap doffers and forelock tuggers.

 

 

 

 

 100% agree but its a bit worse for 1 & 2

 

1. Its going to devastate the lazy ass  generational  inheritors  who dont work  & much of their assets too. 

 

2  Those in charge already sold everyone out including their own by inaction and corruption.  Its too late to put the genie back in the bottle.. takes years for the average Gov to act.. AI & robotics isnt waiting and will  present as the obvious  answer to much and be welcomed first. Think Skynet ( already a real company btw )

 

3 Cap doffers and forelock tuggers will be dead in a few decades & indeed be replaced by patient polite caring AI companions which will be welcomed by the afore mentioned whose arthritis will be getting too bad to raise an arm.

 

They going NEED conscription & once the dam bursts for jobloss more than enough will welcome it as an opportunity for something to do. let alone some crusty's who think its a good idea or opposition, the young WILL demand and get UBI & go quietly because eventually that will be all most know and have for choice . Guessing 2028 - 30 things will become obvious to all 

 

Its not all bad ofc... IF we get past the transition stage in a couple of decades power will become dirt cheap if not free and then most everything elses value will collapse because of it...  for those left anyway. 

 

You will own nothing and be happy & they wernt kidding and guess what ?

 

Some good news and maybe bad as a cherry on top

 

Klaus Schwab, father of the World Economic Forum, is stepping down as head of the gathering of global elites after a hefty 53 years. Replacement top runner atm is .... Tony wmd Blair 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 27 by englishoak

[NickyLouie]

it will be all <deleted>'s and Indians, long lost are the glory days of Britain 

[The Old Bull]

On 5/25/2024 at 11:43 PM, CharlieH said:

 

Prime Minister reveals radical plan to force all 18-year-olds to serve in the military for 12 months 

 

If the Conservatives win the upcoming General Election, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak plans to introduce compulsory National Service for all 18-year-olds. He announced this surprising proposal in an article for The Mail on Sunday.

Under this plan, school-leavers would have to spend a year either in a full-time role with the Armed Forces or volunteering with organisations like the police or the NHS. This idea is based on similar systems already used in some European countries.

This bold move is expected to create mixed reactions but will certainly stir up the first full week of the election campaign.

Mr. Sunak explained that the 'reinvented' scheme would offer 'life-changing opportunities for our young people.' He also said, "As a father, I look forward to my own two daughters doing their National Service; I think they will find it a rewarding experience."

He added, "Being British is about more than just the queue you join at passport control."

 

The idea of making school-leavers join the scheme is expected to be the most controversial part. However, No. 10 says that only about 10 percent of 18-year-olds are likely to choose a full military commitment for the whole 12 months, while most would work just one weekend a month.

If the Conservatives win, a Royal Commission will be set up to finalize the details, and the scheme could start as soon as September next year.

 

Secretly Planned National Service

The plan for bringing back National Service was developed in secret, with only Mr. Sunak’s close advisers, including former Tory leader William Hague, being informed about it.

In their private 40-page plan, the advisers argued that the growing threats from countries like Russia and China need to be addressed by strengthening the Armed Forces. They also pointed out the ongoing issue of many young adults feeling aimless, with nearly 750,000 people aged 18 to 24 currently out of work and a high percentage involved in the criminal justice system.

The civic roles could include assisting with flood defenses and community aid during natural disasters, providing support roles in the NHS, working in fire safety, or joining the RNLI or mountain search and rescue teams.

 

As reported by Mail Online

 

2024-05-26

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It's getting more difficult for old men to con young men into fighting their wars. That's why the recruiting numbers are down. He should take lessons from the yanks, they are good at it. He should be talking about freedom and liberty and handing out lots of medals.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, englishoak said:

 

Defo the service industry is v keen on automation. Wages and pensions costs make it a no brainier. Largest online only supermarket and leading retail  tech group here moved to its new updated & automated warehouse a few months ago, cut its warehouse positions by 1200 then cut half its head office support depts by 25%.  Only dept that grew was delivery drivers. Large retail brands from Banks to all high street names  are closing their doors and or cutting locations. It'll only continue.. The gig economy is also on borrowed time, copywriters, artists, travel agents & translators defunct & gone v soon. Translators  will very soon even cope with Issan, Bronx & Scouse slang no problem . 

 

Pretty sure trades and jobs that require specific critical thinking and adaptive skills such as Plumbing, Decorating, General Builders, Handyman & Landscaping/Gardeners will be ok for some time due to the complexity &  variety. Auto Mechanics & most shop/ office staff wont fare well I agree and so many others. From highly paid executives to the cashier   Anyone in accounting/payroll & half of office depts will vanish as will much of the middle management and executives along with them.  Many highly paid professional sectors especially services consulting  will have to retrain in something they dont understand or likely enjoy or be unemployed. About 50% of over 40s will not or cannot make that change that late in their career/life. 

 

Teachers/tutors will be replaced by a personal AI tutor able to both relate and never ridicule or lose patience with the child, or adult. Each to their own ability and pace and at the same time being a mentor will also become their confidant and therapist. Possibly their  personal doctor too.  AI is already increasingly used in diagnosing conditions and can spot things on xrays & tests the best doctors cannot. All of it on an app or program you can take with you anywhere, on any platform and will write its own migration software to do so. Theres already some mind blowing tech and start ups out there using AI to create agents to self improve and specialise and they arnt going to get anything but better.. 

 

And yes people have not made enough noise early enough and responsible for allowing it but then most everyone has no clue of its scope and influence already, being far too wrapped up in life, paying the bills, dealing with the usual stuff and on the wheel to pay much attention other than happily accept any convenience thrown at them... .. alas most would rather tap and go etc until they cant on what they want only what they are sanctioned to buy, where an when, just as Thailand's proposed digital handout will be.  

 

The only thing I can see that will slow things down would  be a  crash in the global power grids from something like a solar storm frying a large % of everything electrical  which ofc would cause instant chaos riots & mayhem in turn. Or more likely as economies attempt to transition use anything to distract the populous such as regional wars etc.

 

Be well m8 im glad im not 18 today thats for sure. 

I agree with most of that, but I don't count supermarkets as a "service". It's an industry. Service, IMO, is hairdressers, manicurists, pet care, etc, where face to face contact is important.

 

Humans have made themselves totally dependent on technology. How long will most city dwellers last if the power went off for a month? How much food can city dwellers grow themselves ( no fridges and no fossil fueled cookers for raw food ).

Let's remember that most people live in cities now, completely dependent on food trucked in from elsewhere. If diesel supply is blocked, no trucks, no food.

We live a precarious life, but most do not realise it.

[NickyLouie]

FYI : Sunak means dog in Thai language 

 

Just figured some would feel better about themselves knowing that.

[herfiehandbag]

12 hours ago, englishoak said:

Klaus Schwab, father of the World Economic Forum, is stepping down as head of the gathering of global elites after a hefty 53 years. Replacement top runner atm is .... Tony wmd Blair 

He is like a bloody vampire, keeps climbing out of his coffin to rampage around the planet. Going to need more than a mirror and a silver dagger for that one!

[herfiehandbag]

Continued from above: mind you, never been able to take him (Blair) entirely seriously since those photos emerged of him, clad in vaguely biblical white robes, standing on the banks of the River Jordan at the baptism for Rupert ( fuelled by viagra) Murdochs daughter.

 

I also have a sneaking suspicion that Wendi Deng, Murdochs then wife (a mere 37 years his junior) was setting Murdoch and Blair up for an almighty piss take! Allegedly she had reasons for wanting revenge!

Edited May 28 by herfiehandbag

[Neurath]

On 5/26/2024 at 7:13 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Is that the opportunity to bully people on social media, or live in mummy's basement and look at porn? You do realise that AI robotics is shortly going to remove most jobs from humans, don't you? It's already happening if one wishes to open one's eyes.

 

BTW, in my day we had unlimited opportunities in the jobs we had available- real jobs, not BS ones in "media". Jobs like carpenters, mechanics, electronics, telecommunications, plumbers, or farming. The dole was not an occupation, as it is now.

Yeah, probably including national service soldiers

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Neurath said:

Yeah, probably including national service soldiers

Agree. When killbots become a reality we won't need human cannon fodder any more.

[Chomper Higgot]

On 5/28/2024 at 10:43 AM, herfiehandbag said:

Continued from above: mind you, never been able to take him (Blair) entirely seriously since those photos emerged of him, clad in vaguely biblical white robes, standing on the banks of the River Jordan at the baptism for Rupert ( fuelled by viagra) Murdochs daughter.

 

I also have a sneaking suspicion that Wendi Deng, Murdochs then wife (a mere 37 years his junior) was setting Murdoch and Blair up for an almighty piss take! Allegedly she had reasons for wanting revenge!

What a conspiracy addled place all that came from?!

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What a conspiracy addled place all that came from?!

Not at all, it happened!

 

Goodness me, a comment, out of the blue, on a tongue in cheek 10 day old post, itself made in passing! You really must be digging down to find stuff to pick a fight!

 

Have you thought of a hobby - train spotting has many devotees, and may satisfy your obvious passion for recording and cross referencing things to make lists for future contemplation!