How to avoid an unwanted ladyboy encounter?

[Alpha84]

I found this forum after many posts came up while searching online for information about transsexuals in Thailand.
 

I'm straight, not married and I'm half East Asian, half Caucasian. So I have some understanding of Asian culture from my upbringing. I'm now living in Dublin where I have been based for 4 years. I like the place here very much, better than Singapore where I was based for 12 years prior, and now I'm planning a first trip to Thailand for a 2 week jaunt next month. 

I'm excited about exploring SE Asian culture in Thailand and reconnecting with some of my own Asian roots. I am also interested in meeting some local women if that's at all possible. However, I've heard that it can sometimes be challenging to distinguish between Thai ladyboys and real Thai women. 

I want to ensure that I don't accidentally end up in a situation where I mistake a ladyboy for a real woman, that is if I am going to attempt to engage with the opposite gender over there at all. 

I guess I have several questions on the subject before I decide if I am going to venture out socially or not and would appreciate any advice or tips from the community on how to avoid making such a grave miscalculation. 

Are there any specific physical characteristics that can help me to differentiate a ladyboy from a cisgender woman? I don't mean the obvious differences in genitalia. For example, should I look for differences in certain features like lips, eyes, hands, feet, or something particular about body structure? Can the tone or pitch of someone's voice also be a reliable indicator of a Thai transgender versus a real Thai female? Are there particular ladyboy speech patterns, behavioral nuances or personality characteristics that I should start to become familiar with?

What about body language and mannerisms? Are there certain gestures or behaviors that are more typical of ladyboys? Are there differences in how ladyboys and cisgender women dress or apply their makeup in Thailand? Are there specific clothing styles or trends of Thai ladyboy fashion that I should become familiar with?

If I'm in a situation where I meet someone and I'm a bit uncertain, is it socially acceptable for me to ask them directly about their gender? Also, is it possible to approach this question respectfully and without causing offense? 

Are Thai ladyboys generally open and forthcoming about their male gender if questioned about or do they often try to avoid disclosing or revealing that they aren't a real cisgender woman?

In the context of bars, clubs, and other nightlife venues, are there specific places I should avoid where ladyboys are more likely to be present or congregating? How can I also navigate these locations to ensure I avoid getting involved with a ladyboy unexpectedly?

If I were ever to use a Thai dating app, are there particular signs or information in user profiles that can help identify whether someone is a ladyboy or a cisgender woman? Are there any common misconceptions or pitfalls that new visitors encounter when trying to avoid Thai ladyboys and meet a Thai woman through a dating app? 

I tried to cover everything, but is there anything else about Thai ladyboys that I didn't mention, but that I should be particularly cautious or aware of?

If I were to accidentally engage with a ladyboy, and only realize my mistake during say a possible sexual encounter, then what would be the best remedy in that moment to safely remove myself from the situation, avoid possible danger or aggression against me from the ladyboy and to end the situation as quickly and amicably as possible?

Is it helpful to ask any locals for advice or guidance on this matter when I arrive? If so, how can I approach this topic with them without seeming disrespectful to the local people and their culture?

I realize I am posing a lot of queries, but I always want to be seen as being respectful and considerate if I do try to navigate through this aspect of gender culture in Thailand. I have nothing at all against transgender people. I fully respect them and the personal choices that they make for themselves, but I just don't want to accidentally find myself engaging with one romantically and/or sexually. Thus, your insights and advice on how to avoid making the mistake of inadvertently choosing beef when what I really want is some soft tender fish (sorry for my poor euphemism), would be greatly appreciated  

Thank you in advance for any of my many queries that you are able to help answer. 

[Tropicalevo]

First check list is

Big hands

Big feet

Larger calves

Adams apple

 

None of these are definite, just a hint.

 

Main one that I recommend - a very sexy walk.

The guys practice that one. Most girls do not.

 

Other signs are the effeminate waving of hands (Italian style) and limp wrists.

 

Enjoy your holiday.

[2baht]

Forget it Alpha.....take a walk on the wild side!

[HappyExpat57]

Just ask them. They don't mind. They'd rather it be up front.

[scubascuba3]

The second from last resort is the voice, usually a give away so get them talking. Some you can't tell by looks alone, except penis or ify vagina but then it's too late

[spidermike007]

In 95% of the cases, if you ask them, they will be honest with you. In the event you do end up with one who is not honest, use your instincts. Does their face have an equine quality about it? This is very common. Are they overly aggressive? Also common? Do they have exceptionally and firm nice legs? Uncommon with Thai women. How about their voice? The tell tale signs are usually substantial.

 

 

[Thingamabob]

If you're so worried about it perhaps you should be going somewhere else.

[ignore it]

Walk them past a mirror.

 

Primping is an irrestible ladyboy instinct.

[mfd101]

In my extremely limited experience - walking down near Nana, my b/f close by - it's hard to see how any 'straight' male could be mistaken. The ladyboys I passed by at 1100 in the morning were dressed in what appeared to be ball gowns and were about 6' tall ... We gave them a wide berth.

[patman30]

look at them from behind
if you can picture them bent over holding a shovel, it is a bloke
the lats don't lie

[klauskunkel]

Dundee test

[UKJASE]

if they are pushy and beautiful and tall, good chance they are a lady boy

but as stated already, ask them.... they will normally tell you the truth, and then if you do make a mistake, it's not on you 😄 

[norfolkandchance]

Check em out in the back of a taxi on the way to the Hotel.

[Celsius]

Do you have a 🐓 usually works for me

[Srikcir]

Rather than wonder the streets for a female connection,  you might try (even ahead of your trip) some Thai dating sites such as thaifriendly.com

Maybe some OP's can comment.

[Sandboxer]

3 hours ago, Alpha84 said:

Are there any specific physical characteristics that can help me to differentiate a ladyboy from a cisgender woman

The fact that you use the term "cisgender" instead of simply "woman" or "girl" makes me want to move up my planned vasectomy date.

 

You probably call these freaks by their unscientific "gender pronouns" too.....

 

 

 

  

Edited June 13 by Sandboxer

[G_Money]

OP, lots of “experts” have already posted.

 

Just remember if it happens only once, you won’t be labeled a tranny chaser for life.

[brewsterbudgen]

Surely it's one of the formative Thai experiences?  If you're tempted by what you see, just go with it!

[cowellandrew]

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

The second from last resort is the voice, usually a give away so get them talking. Some you can't tell by looks alone, except penis or ify vagina but then it's too late

What's a ify vagina?

Edited June 13 by cowellandrew

[Kinok Farang]

Hahaha,who is guy trying to kid.He will be stuck up a LB before he even puts his cases down.

[Kinok Farang]

1 hour ago, mfd101 said:

In my extremely limited experience - walking down near Nana, my b/f close by - it's hard to see how any 'straight' male could be mistaken. The ladyboys I passed by at 1100 in the morning were dressed in what appeared to be ball gowns and were about 6' tall ... We gave them a wide berth.

How very novel,a lady member.Welcome.

[HappyExpat57]

Ask them to fart. If it sounds like a duck quacking or a mouse squeaking, it's a real girl. If it sounds like a wind tunnel, walk away.

[Callmeishmael]

As others have said, just ask them.  If the lady is a ladyboy, she will tell you.  On the other hand, if she is really a lady, she may feel a bit insulted that you couldn't tell!

[scubascuba3]

16 minutes ago, cowellandrew said:

What's a ify vagina?

One that's been made a pig's ear of it

[Dan O]

Just avoid Pattaya and Patong and Nana Plaza. If you wear a gold necklace then you'll find out real quick. If they're too pretty or want to walk up and give you a hug then walk away. You could also just ask them if they are a girl and they will generally tell you the truth. 

[mancub]

4 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

As others have said, just ask them.  If the lady is a ladyboy, she will tell you.  On the other hand, if she is really a lady, she may feel a bit insulted that you couldn't tell!

If the person is a ladyboy. he will tell you .😁......but not always !

[chuang]

Bring one back to your room and you can have all the experience first hand...

[ChrisKC]

There are definite signs that others have mentioned.

 

My suggestion is simple - don't go to places where they are! That is Pattaya, Phuket and places well known to most in Bangkok- especially in Bars.

 

As a general point, it is unlikely you will find a suitable woman for a meaningful relationship in bars.

 

Even though I have no relevant experience in mistaking ladyboys for "real" women, I feel confident that some reasonable conversation would surely reveal some matters that didn't "add up"

 

Good luck in not ending up (UP) there!

 

 

[khunPer]

5 hours ago, Alpha84 said:

I'm excited about exploring SE Asian culture in Thailand and reconnecting with some of my own Asian roots. I am also interested in meeting some local women if that's at all possible. However, I've heard that it can sometimes be challenging to distinguish between Thai ladyboys and real Thai women. 

I want to ensure that I don't accidentally end up in a situation where I mistake a ladyboy for a real woman, that is if I am going to attempt to engage with the opposite gender over there at all.

Reasonable question; and yes, some katoys (ladyboys) can be so well made that it's difficult to see if a real woman or not.

 

My friend that initially introduced me to Thailand's night life said: "First, always look at their feet, if too large: don't! Secondly, if she appears to be too perfect and too much lady: don't!"

 

Most of the times it's however quite clear to see when it's a not real lady; often both the voice and the appearance. Perhaps also being sober might help; I see quite a number of non sober foreign men walking hand in hand with a ladyboy, and I'm not sure if the knows it – however, it might also be that I'm not aware of what amazing experience I might be missing, by being a boring straight...

[Toby1947]

Grab them by the nuts, and tell them to <deleted> Off 🤣😂👍