gender fluidity: Someone who is fluid -- also called gender fluid -- is a person whose gender identity (the gender they identify with most) is not fixed. It can change over time or from day-to-day.

 

i just love watching this guy argue with people trying to defend all the crap of gender fluidity. i respect homosexuality and bisexuality, but i dont respect this new trend of having your own pronouns and i dont respect doctors encouraging teens to change their genders before they have gone through puberty.

 

anyways this guy has an interesting take on things... whether you agree or disagree he has good arguments. i watched his movie "what is a woman" and found that he brings light in theee dark times.  i forgive him for being a right wing activist

 

https://www.youtube.com/@MattWalsh

 

 

They should be in a mental institution. 

I saw that documentary some time ago.

The funny thing is that Matt Walsh asks harmless questions and let them all hang themselves.

It would be funny if it wouldn't be sad how many supposedly educated people are just nuts.

 

Apart them that I am not a fan of Matt Walsh. He is just too one sided in his thinking - like most of the rest on the Daily Wire. 

12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I saw that documentary some time ago.

The funny thing is that Matt Walsh asks harmless questions and let them all hang themselves.

It would be funny if it wouldn't be sad how many supposedly educated people are just nuts.

 

Apart them that I am not a fan of Matt Walsh. He is just too one sided in his thinking - like most of the rest on the Daily Wire. 

 

that is why i 'forgive' him for being right wing

 

but overall his interviews are generally funny to watch

8 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

that is why i 'forgive' him for being right wing

 

but overall his interviews are generally funny to watch

 

I don't consider myself right-wing. But truth to be told, they are sometimes right = correct.

 

I like that Matt Walsh and others expose some idiotic left-wing idiots. They should be exposed. 

The big "mistake" which they make is pretending that because there are too many left-wing idiots people should vote right-wing.

The big problem with that is that there are lots of idiots on the left and lots of different idiots on the right.

It would be nice if some of those people could talk to each other and promote the center - without the extremes to the left and right.

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I don't consider myself right-wing. But truth to be told, they are sometimes right = correct.

 

I like that Matt Walsh and others expose some idiotic left-wing idiots. They should be exposed. 

The big "mistake" which they make is pretending that because there are too many left-wing idiots people should vote right-wing.

The big problem with that is that there are lots of idiots on the left and lots of different idiots on the right.

It would be nice if some of those people could talk to each other and promote the center - without the extremes to the left and right.

 

 i am not left wing, but i believe in social rights like basic education, health care, old age care and equal rights. i am more in the middle and for once, 555, i totally agree with you that the left wing nutters should be exposed. however, i do not support the right wing nutters bible thumping activists. balance is so very hard to find now

Live and let live.

If a person is gender fluid how is that a problem for you?

2 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

having your own pronouns and i dont respect doctors encouraging teens to change their genders before they have gone through puberty.

I don't have the link handy, but just came across a prominent female doctor who was denouncing the medical establishment for encouraging sex change operations.

 

 

27 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Live and let live.

If a person is gender fluid how is that a problem for you?

 

it doesn't affect me where i live here but in canada you can  get in trouble for not respecting someone's pronouns. in the US:

What happens if you refuse to use someone's pronouns?

Intentional refusal to use someone's correct pronouns is equivalent to harassment and a violation of one's civil rights. The Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 expressly prohibits workplace discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, and national origin.

i dont have to agree with gender fluidity or the pronoun thing it. isnt that part of live and let live. i know you are gay, and i respect that. maybe you understand things about this that i dont. but honestly, this whole thing is getting out of hand imho. watch 'what is a woman' by this guy i mention then explain to me what is a woman? if people were born gender fluid then that would be a recognised sex, which it isnt.

 

 

2 hours ago, Pouatchee said:

 

it doesn't affect me where i live here but in canada you can  get in trouble for not respecting someone's pronouns. in the US:

What happens if you refuse to use someone's pronouns?

Intentional refusal to use someone's correct pronouns is equivalent to harassment and a violation of one's civil rights. The Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 expressly prohibits workplace discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, and national origin.

i dont have to agree with gender fluidity or the pronoun thing it. isnt that part of live and let live. i know you are gay, and i respect that. maybe you understand things about this that i dont. but honestly, this whole thing is getting out of hand imho. watch 'what is a woman' by this guy i mention then explain to me what is a woman? if people were born gender fluid then that would be a recognised sex, which it isnt.

When it comes to other people, I normally use “you”; an ambiguous tilt of the eyebrow is all that you need to add, even for the most controversial situation.

i wonder how the wokes and left gender fluidity supporters would react if i suddenly invented the movement for 'ethnic fluidity'. 

in the west, wouldnt they be going against my 'human rights' if they supported gender fluidity but not ethnic fluidity?

logically wouldnt it be the same argument as saying i'm a woman if i am born a man?

deep down, who can prove if in my ancestry tree i dont have asian descendants if i am clearly caucasian but claim to be asian?

but if i wake up tomorrow and say i am african american i will likely be sent to an asylum. 

My 2 cents.

In life there are those who are a bit curmudgeonly who think that anything different to their narrow view of the world is wrong and bad. Full stop.

Then there are those who take the opposite extreme and try and be too accommodating to anyone's whims and fancies and think those who don't are narrow minded and have prejudice.

But most are in the middle and say - whatever - if you think your a woman that's fine - maybe science one day will prove you in some sense right and maybe not - in the meantime happy for you to live your way.

The only issue then is those few examples where proposed rules clash with societal norms - sport, toilets, how you should address such people - if you are in the middle category of people you'll try and sort it out without getting too excited and thinking such people are bad or that righteous society is coming to an end. Nor will you consider options that do not accommodate such people as necessarily gender-ist and bad. 

8 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

i wonder how the wokes and left gender fluidity supporters would react if i suddenly invented the movement for 'ethnic fluidity'. 

in the west, wouldnt they be going against my 'human rights' if they supported gender fluidity but not ethnic fluidity?

logically wouldnt it be the same argument as saying i'm a woman if i am born a man?

deep down, who can prove if in my ancestry tree i dont have asian descendants if i am clearly caucasian but claim to be asian?

but if i wake up tomorrow and say i am african american i will likely be sent to an asylum. 

Black and white people use the same toilets, nowadays.  You can call yourself black, white, red, blue or tartan, regardless of what shade of pink you are, and people are obliged to treat you the same.

For countries that have affirmative action, I think that you generally need a government IDCard that says your race over-rides ability.

16 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

i wonder how the wokes and left gender fluidity supporters would react if i suddenly invented the movement for 'ethnic fluidity'. 

in the west, wouldnt they be going against my 'human rights' if they supported gender fluidity but not ethnic fluidity?

logically wouldnt it be the same argument as saying i'm a woman if i am born a man?

deep down, who can prove if in my ancestry tree i dont have asian descendants if i am clearly caucasian but claim to be asian?

but if i wake up tomorrow and say i am african american i will likely be sent to an asylum. 

I don't consider myself woke or a leftist but like gender fluidity I'm finding it hard to imagine a problem with other people feeling ethnic fluidity. Many people are indeed coming from multiple cultures and ethnicities, so what's the problem exactly?

I have my own personal experience with this.

I grew up in an area with very few Asian people yet I made friends with every Asian kid I could meet (only Chinese and Japanese and mixes). 

When my family took me to a real Chinese restaurant in our local Chinatown and I tried kung pao chicken for the first time, my head exploded in joy.

I felt an affinity for Asians that I couldn't explain and I didn't care about explaining. Part of it was about feeling ethnically non white myself so we had that in common. But did I feel I was Asian myself? Well, a tiny little bit kind of sort of, as I do recall wondering if I had some Mongolian blood because my ancestors came from an area where there had been a lot of Mongolian raping going on. This was before DNA testing and no I haven't bothered with it.

 

On the black white thing so important to Americans, yeah I've met black people that except for their skin color are basically white, and also white people who are basically black. Doesn't bother me at all. 

9 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

you generally need a government IDCard that says your race over-rides ability.

 

same thing with gender on those id cards, no?

4 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

 

same thing with gender on those id cards, no?

I’ve never been anywhere with affirmative action re gender.  For statistical purposes, I don’t know if most companies use ID Cards or self determination

20 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

I think that you generally need a government IDCard that says your race over-rides ability.

 

hmmm maybe i misread...but i read and reread... but still dont get it... can you explain this?

never heard of that... i thought you meant something else

Just now, Pouatchee said:

 

hmmm maybe i misread...but i read and reread... but still dont get it... can you explain this?

never heard of that... i thought you meant something else

In many places, you are not allowed to discriminate on the basis of race or sex.

In some places, you are required to discriminate based on race.  I those places, the assessment of someone’s race is not left to the employer / university (given that ‘race’ is a perceived rather than real property) so they have to follow the tag on the ID card.

I think this is quite an unusual situation, as I have never been asked to do so.

I can care less what others label themselves as, it’s really none of my business how others view themselves, though I do find it silly sometimes. It’s when they impose their beliefs on others, especially the vulnerable and that practice is accepted is what’s annoying and flat out wrong. Civilization will always be held back by the differentiating of beliefs, ethnicity race religion lifestyle and ideologies. And trying to change human nature by force is completely idiotic. It is what it is.

2 minutes ago, novacova said:

I can care less what others label themselves as, it’s really none of my business how others view themselves, though I do find it silly sometimes. It’s when they impose their beliefs on others, especially the vulnerable and that practice is accepted is what’s annoying and flat out wrong. Civilization will always be held back by the differentiating of beliefs, ethnicity race religion lifestyle and ideologies. And trying to change human nature by force is completely idiotic. It is what it is.

 

agree with all you said

Genderfluid.... Is that some type of lubricating gel? 

I had a close college friend who enjoyed playing around with what he called gender(F word). I guess that was like being gender fluid. One time I walked around Boston with him while he was in a genderF outfit. I felt like both of us were going be murdered as we were being constantly harassed so that was eye opening. We weren't each others types sexually but that highly intelligent guy who was working on becoming a psychiatrist and was the least promiscuous gay man I ever knew died very young because of a broken condom with his boyfriend. I found that ironic.

 

Why does defying gender presentation expectations trigger so many men to hatred and violence?

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Why does defying gender presentation expectations trigger so many men to hatred and violence?

 

i dont think it does. if people just lived their lives discreetly like the vast majority then everything would be fine. it is when people get 'in your face' about things that people tend to, as you say, 'hate'. as you said earlier... 'live and let live'. this way of thinking implies not being in other people's faces. but for some reason, GenZ now is vocal and in your face about anything they can find to challenge.

15 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

 

i dont think it does. if people just lived their lives discreetly like the vast majority then everything would be fine. it is when people get 'in your face' about things that people tend to, as you say, 'hate'. as you said earlier... 'live and let live'. this way of thinking implies not being in other people's faces. but for some reason, GenZ now is vocal and in your face about anything they can find to challenge.

So my friend and I were just walking down the street.

People reacted with extreme hostiliy to the way he was dressed, which admittedly was rather bizarre.

People assumed I was with him sexually and harassed me too.

I wasn't really comfortable with the situation as I'm totally cisgender but my friend showed up that way and a real friend supports their friends regardless. If I had said, I don't want to be involved in this, I would have been almost as bad as the bigots.

In what way were we in their faces?

Needless to say I think your POV is full of it. A total denial of reality.

BTW, this lovely guy influenced a major decision in my life in incredibly consequential ways. I will always cherish his memory GenderF clothes or not. 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

So my friend and I were just walking down the street.

People reacted with extreme hostiliy to the way he was dressed,

 

that is there stupidity. walking down the street with a mohawk used to get people going. it never bothered me. i always thought mohawks looked terrible but it is there choice. as long as they dont get in my face telling me i should have a mohawk. same with two men holding hands... i don't care

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

So my friend and I were just walking down the street.

People reacted with extreme hostiliy to the way he was dressed, which admittedly was rather bizarre.

People assumed I was with him sexually and harassed me too.

I wasn't really comfortable with the situation as I'm totally cisgender but my friend showed up that way and a real friend supports their friends regardless. If I had said, I don't want to be involved in this, I would have been almost as bad as the bigots.

In what way were we in their faces?

Needless to say I think your POV is full of it. A total denial of reality.

BTW, this lovely guy influenced a major decision in my life in incredibly consequential ways. I will always cherish his memory GenderF clothes or not. 

People used to react that way to guys with long hair and dressed like hippies, so nothing new about being harassed or causing hostility because you're different.

27 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

 

that is there stupidity. walking down the street with a mohawk used to get people going. it never bothered me. i always thought mohawks looked terrible but it is there choice. as long as they dont get in my face telling me i should have a mohawk. same with two men holding hands... i don't care

I'm telling you lots of people do care about different gender presentations and you come up with your personal opinion on Mohawks. Weak.