When you get the cancer will stay here or go back?

[Chris Daley]

When you get the cancer will stay here or go back?

 

I think I will go back.

[BigStar]

I'm happy right where I am. Thailand forever!

[mogandave]

Not enough data.

[gt162]

If you have good health insurance at good hospital, stay and get treated.

 

But if your have no health insurance and/or little money, better to go back to faranagland for treatment and get well and come back. 

 

Thailand is not a welfare country and cancer treatment costs are very expensive.

 

 

[CharlieH]

Travel the others sideof the world to a country that no longer exists as I knew it.To be there all alone, amongst strangers ? No thanks I'll stay here amongst family and as long as I am not in pain, what will be, will be.

[SAFETY FIRST]

4 hours ago, Chris Daley said:

When you get the cancer will stay here or go back?

Crikey, keep it positive, it's not doom and gloom for some of us here.

 

The heading should be changed. 

 

'if YOU get the cancer will stay here or go back?' 

 

 

Edited July 6 by SAFETY FIRST

[scubascuba3]

It depends including age, I'm not sure I trust them here, that youtuber had oesophagus cancer blew 1-2m on treatment here and had to go back to UK anyway and died, may have wasted time being treated here.

 

Maybe an option is to go to India, don't laugh, much cheaper plus only 2 hour flights, because treatment can take many hospital visits over a long time as i know from a friend who has stage 4 bowel cancer

[JensenZ]

54 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

It depends including age, I'm not sure I trust them here, that youtuber had oesophagus cancer blew 1-2m on treatment here and had to go back to UK anyway and died, may have wasted time being treated here.

 

Maybe an option is to go to India, don't laugh, much cheaper plus only 2 hour flights, because treatment can take many hospital visits over a long time as i know from a friend who has stage 4 bowel cancer

There are over 200 types of cancer, and many are aggressive. They can kill you quickly with or without treatment. You might need to come up with some more options specific to the type of cancer you might develop and of course, how advanced your cancer is when it is first diagnosed.

 

Your age, your chances of survival, and your quality of life if you survive will be important considerations.

 

Even the richest people with unlimited budgets often can't fight it and surgical removal of various body parts can be a fate worse than death for many.

 

 

Edited July 6 by JensenZ

[2baht]

I've got it and I'm staying right here! 2 years of chemo externally but that has gone as far as it can! Now I manage the pain!

[JimHuaHin]

When you get cancer?  Not, if you get cancer?

 

If I get cancer, I shall be staying here, until I die, irrespective of the type of cancer and the stage of the cancer at diagnosis.

 

In addition, if it is Stage 3+ cancer I shall most likely decline treatment, after I have done adequate research of the contemporary oncology literature on the specific type of cancer which I may have.

[BobBKK]

"when"?   If I got cancer, I'll stay - why go back? Unless you have no savings or insurance?

[mania]

8 hours ago, CharlieH said:

as long as I am not in pain,

That is kind of a big one isn't it?

 

I have seen folks die with cancer treated (pain killers etc) & untreated

I would not wish the untreated pain on anyone

 

So as long as things like morphine are purchasable then yes staying is likely option

If not I can imagine why some joined the flying clubs

[Lorry]

I go back. 

Treatment and care much better,  especially everything that's not done by/in a hospital: aftercare, physical therapy,  "accessories" and simple things like a wheelchair or wheelchair-accessibility. I dont have the money to pave all the pavements in the neighborhood in order to make them wheelchair accessible. 

Things like that,  there are many, many more.

[Lorry]

8 minutes ago, mania said:

So as long as things like morphine are purchasable then yes staying is likely option

They are not purchasable in Thailand. 

Zero chance to get decent pain management outside a few hospitals. 

Some common pain killers are not marketed in Thailand,  and even tramadol has become hard to get.

Outside the hospital,  cancer patients in Thailand usually get paracetamol (there were threads about this in the past).

They are in terrible pain. 

Edited July 7 by Lorry

[Tropicalevo]

Terminal cancer.

My son died of cancer in the UK. They prolonged his 'life' as long as possible. It was very sad to watch.

I now have a living will.

F-I-L was diagnosed with cancer when visiting us in Australia.

When asked if he wanted to 'go home' he said 'Why? There the weather will be cxxp and I will be surrounded by miserable people'.

He stayed in Oz.

The hospice/palliative care was excellent.

We made sure that his last couple of weeks were a good as possible.

Whisky next to his bed in hospital. (Nurse said not allowed. His answer was 'well, it's not going to kill me'. Doc said it was OK.)

The hospice even helped us to organise 'outings' so that he could go to Bondi beach (a long time dream of his).

He had a morphine drip that he could adjust (for the pain).

Strange that he died on the one night when we did not visit him.

So - a bottle of whisky and morphine for me.

[Robert Paulson]

Maybe don’t get cancer. It’s not difficult you know? 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

8 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

Terminal cancer.

My son died of cancer in the UK. They prolonged his 'life' as long as possible. It was very sad to watch.

I now have a living will.

F-I-L was diagnosed with cancer when visiting us in Australia.

When asked if he wanted to 'go home' he said 'Why? There the weather will be cxxp and I will be surrounded by miserable people'.

He stayed in Oz.

The hospice/palliative care was excellent.

We made sure that his last couple of weeks were a good as possible.

Whisky next to his bed in hospital. (Nurse said not allowed. His answer was 'well, it's not going to kill me'. Doc said it was OK.)

The hospice even helped us to organise 'outings' so that he could go to Bondi beach (a long time dream of his).

He had a morphine drip that he could adjust (for the pain).

Strange that he died on the one night when we did not visit him.

So - a bottle of whisky and morphine for me.

 

So sad, very sorry to hear; sounds like he showed great courage and stoicism …. wishing you strength to carry on

 

 

[mokwit]

18 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

Maybe don’t get cancer. It’s not difficult you know? 

Perhaps you tell us how it is done then.

[mokwit]

I plan to go back to the UK for end of life care but stay here while I am ambulatory.

 

Reasons: I live alone whereas in UK I have some family. Access to painkillers e.g Fentanyl/palliative care expertise. Living costs in UK are higher but here medical care costs are open ended and I don't know how long I would be incapacitated for.

 

In UK there should be a district nurse coming round and oxygen bottles if needed will likely be delivered. I have thought about hiring a live in nurse here, but feel as I am without a strong spouse who can sort things out, i would be better in UK.

Edited July 7 by mokwit

[BigStar]

3 hours ago, JimHuaHin said:

If I get cancer, I shall be staying here, until I die, irrespective of the type of cancer and the stage of the cancer at diagnosis.

 

Agree, as I said earlier.

 

One thing to do in advance, for all you preparers, is to look around for a Wat where you can get very own funerary stupa, like this:

 

 

How cool is that?

 

Specify your best photo as a young person, maybe photoshop in your wife/gf in a romantic pose to get her on board. Thais tend to use the latest photos of you old, decrepit, and decayed. They'll blow them up at your ceremony, so everybody has to look at it and remember you as a near corpse.

 

These stupas can be decorated somewhat, so you could scatter in a few fave logos, such as:

 

 

 

If you can't find such a Wat conveniently located, then Plan B would be to find one with a sort of wall columbarium with a niche for your urn, like this:

 

 

Your beneficiaries will appreciate the savings. Quite tasteful, not so ostentatious as the stupa.

 

Otherwise, you can't do better than just Pattaya Bay, near the girls and go-gos. I know a few people (former people) out there feeding the fishes.

 

 

 

 

[jaideedave]

1 hour ago, Tropicalevo said:

Terminal cancer.

My son died of cancer in the UK. They prolonged his 'life' as long as possible. It was very sad to watch.

I now have a living will.

F-I-L was diagnosed with cancer when visiting us in Australia.

When asked if he wanted to 'go home' he said 'Why? There the weather will be cxxp and I will be surrounded by miserable people'.

He stayed in Oz.

The hospice/palliative care was excellent.

We made sure that his last couple of weeks were a good as possible.

Whisky next to his bed in hospital. (Nurse said not allowed. His answer was 'well, it's not going to kill me'. Doc said it was OK.)

The hospice even helped us to organise 'outings' so that he could go to Bondi beach (a long time dream of his).

He had a morphine drip that he could adjust (for the pain).

Strange that he died on the one night when we did not visit him.

So - a bottle of whisky and morphine for me.

"T" I also have a DNR paper given to my Thai Dr and signed by my wife.

I've already survived a quad bypass 14 yrs ago and bowel "C" in 2018.

Who knows what the future can bring.I'm 73 so I'm in the happy hour of life anyways.

I'm no so sure I want my life in pallative care prolonged as long as possible though.

Sent to you from (heavens waiting room) 555

[Ralf001]

When I get cancer again... I will stay here, again.

[JensenZ]

3 hours ago, mania said:

That is kind of a big one isn't it?

 

I have seen folks die with cancer treated (pain killers etc) & untreated

I would not wish the untreated pain on anyone

 

So as long as things like morphine are purchasable then yes staying is likely option

If not I can imagine why some joined the flying clubs

It might upset a lot of diehard sticklers to the "I'll fight it at all costs" club, or the moderators. Still, I could be doing a lot of people a favour by gently suggesting they pick up a copy of "The Peaceful Pill Handbook", available in hard copy or as an ebook - written by a famous (or infamous depending on your point of view) Australian physician in 2006, who runs "Exit International" in the US. It's good to hear from doctors who are up close and personal with cancer sufferers daily and care about what they are often forced to endure. Many older people, while they are still healthy, consider this insurance against a bad death.

 

Edited July 7 by JensenZ

[lanng khao]

A doctor told me i had cancer and Alzheimer's,, i replied well at least i havnt got cancer .

[roo860]

3 minutes ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

of course they promise you the stupa when youre alive..but when your time come..how would you know....i think the monks just keep sangsom and porn hidden in there...

 

driving down doi shutep yest showing a turkish gal around and there is an abandoned crematorium up there....where they burn the bodies is a metal slab and still has a melange of old bones still scattered on it......wonder if they promises them a stupa???

Get your Turkish gal to make sure they do.

[Prubangboy]

3 hours ago, Lorry said:

 

Zero chance to get decent pain management outside a few hospitals. 

 

 

I know someone who gets a morphine shot daily here in Chiang Mai.

 

A bit dubious: he's been in the clear for bowel cancer for 7 years -and he has a medical visa.

 

 

[BigStar]

15 minutes ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

of course they promise you the stupa when youre alive..but when your time come..how would you know....i think the monks just keep sangsom and porn hidden in there...

 

Your Executor ensures they keep the agreement, of course. If you have no one you can trust to serve as Executor for such a reverent task, as seems likely in your case, perhaps you can at least pay some bargirl to dump you in Pattaya Bay.

 

Otherwise, some Thai gov't entity will dispose of you. Some of our members may have more specific details about this. Happened to an old friend of mine in Vietnam who'd turned into an obnoxious drunk. No friends, no relatives would admit knowing him. Police removed his body and that was that.

[Robert Paulson]

2 hours ago, mokwit said:

Perhaps you tell us how it is done then.

It’s easy. Don’t eat processed food. Fast occasionally. Do some research. Stop listening to government:corporations about diet. Oh and going outside doesn’t hurt. Active outdoors best. But it seems some of this should be common sense to me idk 

Edited July 7 by Robert Paulson

[scubascuba3]

21 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

I know someone who gets a morphine shot daily here in Chiang Mai.

 

A bit dubious: he's been in the clear for bowel cancer for 7 years -and he has a medical visa.

 

 

Is Laos still awash with Opium? maybe go there towards the end

[mokwit]

6 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

It’s easy. Don’t eat processed food. Fast occasionally. Do some research. Stop listening to government:corporations about diet

Yes I am aware that there is a view that processed food is a contributor, particularly with bowel cancer, but it is not a clear cut case that if you don't eat processed food you won't get cancer. You might reduce the risk according to statistics. I hadn't eaten processed food for 30 years and grew up on all natural fresh produce.

Edited July 7 by mokwit