The debate thread.

[Captain Monday]

1 hour ago, Gecko123 said:

Donnie, show me on the doll where Kamala hurt you. 

 

Raw News and Politics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyNLcWyLRdU

 

 

Donnie got pwwned

He really should resign from the campaign

[Danderman123]

Trump looks like a sure loser.

 

Our Trumper friends here are shifting from predicting a Trump win to whining about the election being unfair.

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Trump looks like a sure loser.

 

Our Trumper friends here are shifting from predicting a Trump win to whining about the election being unfair.

I think Trump was terrible, but I also think the moderators were unfair, do you agree?

 

 

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I think Trump was terrible, but I also think the moderators were unfair, do you agree?

 

 

In November, you won't care about moderators. You will be whimpering about unfair election officials.

 

BTW, if you don't want moderators to fact check you, don't lie.

 

Haitians eating pets in Ohio? That's the hill you want to die on?

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

In November, you won't care about moderators. You will be whimpering about unfair election officials.

 

BTW, if you don't want moderators to fact check you, don't lie.

 

Haitians eating pets in Ohio? That's the hill you want to die on?

Do you think the moderators were fair?

[mogandave]

I think the dog eating story will ultimately be good for Trump. 

 

 

[Danderman123]

16 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Do you think the moderators were fair?

Not really. They gave Trump a lot more time to talk, and he was so bad, he killed his campaign talking about Haitians eating cats in Springfield, and admitting he still doesn't have a healthcare plan.

[Danderman123]

15 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I think the dog eating story will ultimately be good for Trump. 

 

 

Okay dokey, live by the pet eating story, die by the pet eating story.

 

When you are that deep in the Cult of Trump, you can't admit Trump made a mistake.

[mogandave]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Okay dokey, live by the pet eating story, die by the pet eating story.

 

When you are that deep in the Cult of Trump, you can't admit Trump made a mistake.

Why do you always have to lie? I said I tjoght Trump was terrible. 

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Not really. They gave Trump a lot more time to talk, and he was so bad, he killed his campaign talking about Haitians eating cats in Springfield, and admitting he still doesn't have a healthcare plan.

So we agree the moderator’s were not fair. 

[bannork]

'Barack's brother endorsed me ' 

Donald showing his senility.

 

[gamb00ler]

On 9/11/2024 at 9:54 AM, simple1 said:

Do American citizens believe the government has much influence of their day to day lives?

I hope that was rhetorical....

Government has a huge impact on day to day lives of the middle class and below.  Do I really need to list the areas of their lives that are highly impacted by governmental policy?

 

Why don't you put together a list of the areas where governmental policy has little or no impact on the lives of middle class Americans?

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Why do you always have to lie? I said I tjoght Trump was terrible. 

I said Trump made a mistake with his Haitians eating pets story.

 

Do you disagree?

[Danderman123]

49 minutes ago, bannork said:

'Barack's brother endorsed me ' 

Donald showing his senility.

 

Trump seems to be losing it.

 

Do any Trumpers here believe that the Vice President's brother endorsed Trump? If not, is Trump lying or is he confused?

[Gecko123]

6 hours ago, mogandave said:

Do you think the moderators were fair?

 

I absolutely disagree with the complaint that the moderators ganged up on Trump. Trump's supporters seem to have forgotten that a journalist has a duty to deliver factually accurate information. The two biggest fact checks were the question about Haitians eating pet dogs and the legality of post delivery "abortions." The misinformation that Trump was spreading about Haitians did serious damage to the reputation of the Haitian-American community, and the misinformation about post delivery "abortions" grossly distorted what current abortion law in some US states was, in front of not only a national but international viewing audience. These fact checks were warranted due to the reputational damage to Haitians and reputational damage to the US (about abortion law.

They went well beyond one candidate misrepresenting the other's policy or taking his/her opponent's record out of context, and the idea that if the moderators didn't fact check Harris an equal number of times, this automatically made them "unfair" is a ludicrous assertion.

 

Edited September 13 by Gecko123

[earlinclaifornia]

8 hours ago, bannork said:

'Barack's brother endorsed me ' 

Donald showing his senility.

 

How do those MAGA spin this off? Dead man walking or senile old fool DonLies

[simple1]

9 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

I hope that was rhetorical....

Government has a huge impact on day to day lives of the middle class and below.  Do I really need to list the areas of their lives that are highly impacted by governmental policy?

 

Why don't you put together a list of the areas where governmental policy has little or no impact on the lives of middle class Americans?

I asked the question as so many MAGA supports seem to be anti government. I was curious what their gripes are as so far as I know trump has done very little (nothing?) for the less well off by way of legislation, so why are they voting for him. I assume migrants are a concern, but so far I know little impact as one is informed low paid jobs are usually not taken up by the general population. I assume due to racism / stereotyping and of course US citizen employers  not paying reasonable wages. How many US citizens are prosecuted for "wage theft" - none?

[bannork]

This could knock Taylor Swift off first place in the charts.

 

[earlinclaifornia]

 

[mogandave]

19 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

I said Trump made a mistake with his Haitians eating pets story.

 

Do you disagree?

I agree that you said Trump made a mistake, and I agree with you that the moderators were biased. 

 

But why do you insist on lying about what I say? I don’t lie about what you say. 

[still kicking]

On 9/13/2024 at 10:22 PM, Danderman123 said:

Okay dokey, live by the pet eating story, die by the pet eating story.

 

When you are that deep in the Cult of Trump, you can't admit Trump made a mistake.

Trump to the rescue

 

 

[mogandave]

[earlinclaifornia]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

'It just exploded': Springfield woman claims she never meant to spark false rumors about Haitians

[cdemundo]

On 9/11/2024 at 9:13 PM, maesariang said:

Nobody after the debate can name one policy of Harris in any detail. It was a flop.

Irelevant.

Voter motivations are very vague at times.

"Policy shmallicy. I get a warm fuzzy feeling from candidate x".

 

No one (no one knowledgeable) expected the debate to change the minds of the candidates supporters or even change the minds of anyone who follows politics.

It's the undecided low info voters who can be swayed.

They will decide the election.

[earlinclaifornia]

3 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Irelevant.

Voter motivations are very vague at times.

"Policy shmallicy. I get a warm fuzzy feeling from candidate x".

 

No one (no one knowledgeable) expected the debate to change the minds of the candidates supporters or even change the minds of anyone who follows politics.

It's the undecided low info voters who can be swayed.

They will decide the election.

I agree.

To susan though. The one Trump policy I know of is to give tax breaks to billionaires and let them trickle thier savings down to the rest,

[earlinclaifornia]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-poll-shows-harris-surging-in-state-thought-to-be-safe-for-trump/ar-AA1qCtZ4?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=3c252df84b3b4fef837e25da57c482d2&ei=16

The poll represents a shocking reversal from where Trump stood in the state in spring, when the Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll showed Trump leading President Biden by 18 points in Iowa, 50% to 32%.

"I wouldn’t say 4 points is comfortable" for Trump, pollster J. Ann Selzer, president of Selzer & Co., told the Des Moines Register in reaction to the poll, the first Des Moines Register/Mediacom Iowa Poll to be released since Harris became the Democratic nominee. "The race has tightened significantly."