The debate thread.

[riclag]

36 minutes ago, FriscoKid said:

That's how every Trump supporter always reacts to any truths told about Trump. It's always labeled as media bias or a lie.
 

It's like when people defend Trump as having "done nothing wrong". But yet he's a convicted criminal. It's always facts versus Trump supporter lies who always say that things are actually in reverse of the truth and facts.
 

So what you really have is media facts versus Trump supporter bias and lies. 

 

Again, furthest from the truth. In the words of Lindsey Graham right after the debate: “Disaster.” Trump was unprepared, and his debate team should be fired, Graham told Tim Miller, host of The Bulwark Podcast.

…“The most important point tonight was that President Trump called out Vice President Harris for all talk and no action”. Graham 
 

Ultimately it comes down to…
 

They both are trying desperately to win over the undecided,Swing state voters

The Independent voters who have no allegiance to either party, dem or gop.

Trump is  fighting against a heavily entrenched machine ,the Washington Establishment .

As a supporter i dont like wars and paying for them , millions upon millions of illegals crossing the border.

We dont like the high cost of food & energy. I dont want my government using my tax dollars paying for illegal migration and other countries wars.

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

 

Imop

Edited September 11 by riclag

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Never thought I'd be posting from the Trump-favorite New York Post... But today is an auspicious day!

 

If this is what the NYP is saying, they you know just how really bad it was for Trump.

 

Harris campaign calls for second debate less than an hour after Trump’s performance is panned by critics

 

https://nypost.com/2024/09/10/us-news/harris-campaign-calls-for-second-debate-after-trumps-performance-is-panned-by-critics/

 

 

Trump debate performance panned as well-prepped Harris gets help from ABC moderators: ‘3 on 1’

 

https://nypost.com/

 

Perhaps that's because, as CNN has already reported in posts previously posted here, their count had Trump putting toward more than 30 falsehoods during the debate, compared to just a handful of disputed claims by Harris.

 

It sounds merely like the debate moderators challenged Trump to respond on his torrent of lies.

 

 

Edited September 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[novacova]

8 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

The debate is about to start share your observations here.

Did look at it given that there would be absolutely no new information or anything worth while wasting time on a “show”

[herfiehandbag]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

'destroy the institutions' was the lie

 

as if she wrote that herself.

 

do you really think she would endorse Trump even if she did prefer him? her career would be over, the media would turn on her and she's be gone within a month. look at how they smear anyone that speaks out of line. 

 

there is no stepping out of line with the radical leftist cult!

I see no reason to believe that she did not write it herself. She is, after all, an intelligent and articulate young lady, who is in particular known for encouraging young people to register and vote.

 

I am sure that the Democrat campaign were aware of what she was posting, but there are no grounds to start a conspiracy theory!

 

Incidentally it is significantly more credible than the buffoonery suggesting that she was endorsing Trump.

 

Certainly it will enrage many within the "Trumpeters", I doubt somehow that she cares!

[Hanaguma]

When did it become the debate moderators job to "fact check" the debaters?  That should be left to the other debater.  Makes it far too easy for the mods to insert themselves into the action,  when they really need to keep out of the spotlight. 

[marin]

1 hour ago, tilaceer said:

Gee, that's an intelligent response Frank.
Does your credibility a world of good........not.

 

1 hour ago, Inderpland said:

But all this is just noise. The subject is the debate and Trump got absolutely smoked. It was lovely to behold.

Since the end of the first debate, which ended in Joe Biden pulling out and endorsing Harris we Harris supporters have heard one thing.  "He will smoke her in the debates, she can only smile, she has no thoughts, he is a master debater." Well Trump fans you can deny all you want but he got smoked and exposed to millions of undecided voters, including, young people, women, people of color and even the middle class white male. You can deny it happened as he does, or you can accept the fact he damn well did lose this debate better attend the next that Kamala Harris has proposed.  

 

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

When did it become the debate moderators job to "fact check" the debaters?  That should be left to the other debater.  Makes it far too easy for the mods to insert themselves into the action,  when they really need to keep out of the spotlight. 

Can't hear the truth?

 

It does not matter who calls out the lies, what matters are the facts.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

…“The most important point tonight was that President Trump called out Vice President Harris for all talk and no action”. Graham 

 

Sounds like post debate damage control by Graham for this:

‘Disaster’: Lindsey Graham Leads Right-Wing Freak-Out Over Trump’s Debate

Right-wing politicians, pundits, and journalists agonize over Trump’s flailing performance, and attack ABC moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis for their rigorous fact-checking.

 

For Lindsey Graham, there was only one word for Donald Trump’s Tuesday night debate performance against Kamala Harris: “Disaster.” Trump was unprepared, and his debate team should be fired, Graham told Tim Miller, host of The Bulwark Podcast.

 

(more)

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/disaster-lindsey-graham-leads-right-wing-freak-out-over-trumps-debate

 

[connda]

The Left:  Kamala Harris Won!!!
The RIght: Donald Trump Won!!!

Me: The United States Public Lost

[Amethyst]

A post with unsourced and unsubstantiated claims has been removed.

 

[Captain Flack]

I have removed an off topic flame post. It is not against the rules to post facts supported with credible links.

[maesariang]

Harris was perving on Trump with creepy looks.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/harris-mocked-exaggerated-facial-expressions-trump-spoke-debate-comes-across-fake-weak

 

[maesariang]

7 minutes ago, connda said:

The Left:  Kamala Harris Won!!!
The RIght: Donald Trump Won!!!

Me: The United States Public Lost

It was awful. Best line was Trump telling Harris we go wake up Biden and go to WH and sign off on some orders.

[Inderpland]

4 minutes ago, maesariang said:

Harris was perving on Trump with creepy looks.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/harris-mocked-exaggerated-facial-expressions-trump-spoke-debate-comes-across-fake-weak

 

And even on that front she won. Thanks for pointing it out!😆

[Inderpland]

3 minutes ago, maesariang said:

It was awful. Best line was Trump telling Harris we go wake up Biden and go to WH and sign off on some orders.

Oh, I don't know. When the mods tried to get Trump to answer if he, after nine years of blabbering about it, finally could deliver on his promise to have a plan to replace Obamacare he said he had a concept of a plan!

🤣🤣🤣

What a total moron.

[cdemundo]

18 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

When did it become the debate moderators job to "fact check" the debaters?  That should be left to the other debater.  Makes it far too easy for the mods to insert themselves into the action,  when they really need to keep out of the spotlight. 

Just watched a clip of the Obama-Romney debate where realtime fact checking was done and Romney stepped in it,

so it isn;'t the first time.

 

It's a Trump strategy, let loose a poop storm of lies, impossible for opponent to counter them all.

 

That Democrats approve of infants being killed after birth.

That immigrants (Haitian by the way) are eating pets in Ohio.

That the Central Park Five pleaded guilty. (Common Trump theme?).

 

First 2 preposterous and false, third easily refutable as it is a matter of public record.

 

But if let stand you would see them repeated on this thread tomorrow.

(Might see them repeated anyway....).

[stoner]

6 hours ago, maesariang said:

I switched off every 10 mins. Harris waffle unbearable and Trump ranted.

 

Can we have Vivek vs Shapiro?

 

and to think america will be stuck with one of them for 4 years. what a disaster they were both brutal totally agree with you. 

[Inderpland]

39 minutes ago, riclag said:

…“The most important point tonight was that President Trump called out Vice President Harris for all talk and no action”. Graham 
 

Ultimately it comes down to…
 

They both are trying desperately to win over the undecided,Swing state voters

The Independent voters who have no allegiance to either party, dem or gop.

Trump is  fighting against a heavily entrenched machine ,the Washington Establishment .

As a supporter i dont like wars and paying for them , millions upon millions of illegals crossing the border.

We dont like the high cost of food & energy. I dont want my government using my tax dollars paying for illegal migration and other countries wars.

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

 

Imop

 

Disaster’: Lindsey Graham Leads Right-Wing Freak-Out Over Trump’s Debate

[Inderpland]

3 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

and to think america will be stuck with one of them for 4 years. what a disaster they were both brutal totally agree with you. 

We can understand why this debate was traumatic for you. Trump performance was a s*** show and Harris was killing it. Painful!

[stoner]

5 minutes ago, Inderpland said:

We can understand why this debate was traumatic for you. Trump performance was a s*** show and Harris was killing it. Painful!

 

Who are you replying to ?you're strange.

[ElwoodP]

Fake photo removed.

[maesariang]

10 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

and to think america will be stuck with one of them for 4 years. what a disaster they were both brutal totally agree with you. 

And to think the media will spin a story saying the debate was good. It was a train wreck. Harris is so empty and Trump just rants. China and Russia would be laughing.

[Inderpland]

Just now, maesariang said:

And to think the media will spin a story saying the debate was good. It was a train wreck. Harris is so empty and Trump just rants. China and Russia would be laughing.

Yes, it was a train wreck, for Trump. Even the MAGA news outlets agree with you.

[maesariang]

1 minute ago, Inderpland said:

Yes, it was a train wreck, for Trump. Even the MAGA news outlets agree with you.

Harris was awful. No substance and creepy faces.

[Inderpland]

4 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

Who are you replying to ?you're strange.

This guy. The fact that you don't understand that is....dare I say it....weird.

[diceman]

6 hours ago, frank83628 said:

did i say any of that?

 

the same kid gloves she gets treated with on left wing media? He faces hostility in every outlet he deals with, but he still does it. she doesn't, and can't do the same.

 

 

the Lefties always deny reality

[maesariang]

Undecided voters choose Trump

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/some-undecided-voters-not-convinced-by-harris-after-debate-with-trump-2024-09-11/

 

Harris too vague

[Inderpland]

1 minute ago, maesariang said:

Undecided voters choose Trump

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/some-undecided-voters-not-convinced-by-harris-after-debate-with-trump-2024-09-11/

 

Harris too vague

Yes, I'm sure trump won everyone over with the "I have a concept of a plan".

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 minutes ago, maesariang said:

Undecided voters choose Trump

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/some-undecided-voters-not-convinced-by-harris-after-debate-with-trump-2024-09-11/

 

Harris too vague

 

Per Forbes:

 

"While the betting markets believe the election remains fairly close, this is a strong consensus among bettors that Harris won the debate. Polymarket bookmakers believe Harris has a 98% chance of being judged the winner of Tuesday night’s debate in consolidated post-debate snap polls.

Big Number

2.7%. That is the size of Harris’ lead over Trump in national polls, according to FiveThirtyEight’s weighted average."

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/09/11/harris-surges-past-trump-in-election-betting-markets-after-presidential-debate/

 

Also, as reported and sourced previously in this thread, both the Washington Post and Fox News both did post debate focus groups with undecided voters, and in both cases, the majority said Harris won the debate.

 

As for your cited Reuters report:

 

"Reuters interviewed 10 people who were still unsure how they were going to vote in the Nov. 5 election before they watched the debate. Six said afterward they would now either vote for Trump or were leaning toward backing him. Three said they would now back Harris and one was still unsure how he would vote."

 

All of ten people...well, that certainly calls it!  🙂

 

 

Edited September 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[maesariang]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

"While the betting markets believe the election remains fairly close, this is a strong consensus among bettors that Harris won the debate. Polymarket bookmakers believe Harris has a 98% chance of being judged the winner of Tuesday night’s debate in consolidated post-debate snap polls.

Big Number

2.7%. That is the size of Harris’ lead over Trump in national polls, according to FiveThirtyEight’s weighted average."

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2024/09/11/harris-surges-past-trump-in-election-betting-markets-after-presidential-debate/

 

Also, as reported and sourced previously in this thread, both the Washington Post and Fox News both did post debate focus groups with undecided voters, and in both cases, the majority said Harris won the debate.

 

Nobody won. America lost. Awful debate.