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TroubleandGrumpy · October 10

43 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Ohh you are talking about the battery, not the vehicle.

Do wall mount battery storage for solar spontaneous combust often ?

you seem to think it is an issue so I assume you have some data you could share.

thanks.

Thanks for taking my advice - if/when you remove the EV battery please follow the official manufacturer guidelines (maybe get a specialist company to do it?) and then make sure you connect it up (to solar) and store it safely and appropriately. Youtube is your friend - plenty of good advice there (and EV battery fires) - find a few covering the brand/model you intend to remove.

KhunLA · October 10

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thus: what you describe in your EV has been in cars for years already.

Not - my next car is going to be an EV (thats certain) so I'm not against EV's in anyway - I'm just against some of the silly arguments being used for and against the EV.

I guess you were speed reading or didn't finish, as I stated, our ICE (MG ZS) did the same, I think.

23 hours ago, KhunLA said:

All I need to steer, with NO NEED EVER to take my eyes off the road. I'm pretty sure none of my ICEVs were that convenient to drive. OK, the MG ZS was. Definitely not the new Toyotas or Maxda that I owned in TH.

You guys are a trip ... what else can you think of ...

I guess you were speed reading or didn't finish, as I stated, our ICE (MG ZS) did the same, I think.

richard_smith237 · October 10

12 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thus: what you describe in your EV has been in cars for years already.

Not - my next car is going to be an EV (thats certain) so I'm not against EV's in anyway - I'm just against some of the silly arguments being used for and against the EV.

I guess you were speed reading or didn't finish, as I stated, our ICE (MG ZS) did the same, I think.

Your post (comment in bold below) was made with the implication that ICE's do not have the same tech as the advanced driver aids on modern EV's... You even mentioned Mazda.

I'm highliting the error in your comments with first hand information that an ICE car I own from 2018 has all those drive aids you mentioned.

23 hours ago, KhunLA said:

All I need to steer, with NO NEED EVER to take my eyes off the road. I'm pretty sure none of my ICEVs were that convenient to drive. OK, the MG ZS was. Definitely not the new Toyotas or Maxda that I owned in TH.

KhunLA · October 10

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Your post (comment in bold below) was made with the implication that ICE's do not have the same tech as the advanced driver aids on modern EV's... You even mentioned Mazda.

I'm highliting the error in your comments with first hand information that an ICE car I own from 2018 has all those drive aids you mentioned.

I commented my 2020 ZS ICE also had. But, my previous ICEVs did not, but also pre 2013. I didn't state ICEVs don't have, just mine didn't.

People like to project what they think I implied, instead of what I stated. You'd have to be living in a cave or under that rock not to know the advances built into autos, that last 10 years.

Guess that explains the ignorance of some posters thoughts & misinformation of EVs.

Ralf001 · October 10

41 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Thanks for taking my advice

Sorry, what advice did you offer ?

richard_smith237 · October 10

34 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I commented my 2020 ZS ICE also had. But, my previous ICEVs did not, but also pre 2013. I didn't state ICEVs don't have, just mine didn't.

People like to project what they think I implied, instead of what I stated. You'd have to be living in a cave or under that rock not to know the advances built into autos, that last 10 years.

Guess that explains the ignorance of some posters thoughts & misinformation of EVs.

You made a comparison and highlighted that the ICE's you had did not have such 'safety features' and were not as convenient to drive.. (you named the brand Mazda)...

Your comment showed unfair bias and I corrected it.

You have highlighted how others are posting minsinformation - but the information / comments you post seem to deliberately miss out a truth due to your bias.

And... Yes, of course people will 'read into' your comment and understand a simple implication - what else did you mean by "I'm pretty sure none of my ICEVs were that convenient to drive" ??

The implication is clear - you state EV's are better to drive than ICE's (in your opinion) because the 'safety and driver assist features' didn't exist in 'your' ICE's... you deliberately omit that these features do exists in plenty of other ICE's....

Edited October 10 by richard_smith237

KhunLA · October 10

44 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

. you deliberately omit that these features do exists in plenty of other ICE's....

I didn't think I had to state the obvious, being 2024. Didn't do anything deliberate, just stated my opinion of my driving experiences. Y'all seem to add so much more to my thoughts than I post.

Final thought, BEVs at the same price point ARE BETTER, if just for performance alone. Read into all the rest that you want. My MGs 2020 onward (at their price points), were better and or safer & more convenient 'for me' to drive.

As always ... YMMV

Edited October 10 by KhunLA

richard_smith237 · October 10

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Final thought, BEVs at the same price point ARE BETTER, if just for performance alone. Read into all the rest that you want. My MGs 2020 onward (at their price points), were better and or safer & more convenient 'for me' to drive.

"Read into that all I want"... OK - here goes.. I read more false bias from you.

Even when using your favourite brand; MG, the EV version of the same car is approximately between 169,000 and 300,000 baht more expensive.

So, No... an EV is not a better price point at all.

But some how all the facts are different for you - which is where you loose credibility, this is a shame because you also present good and useful information on EV's .... but again, your bias overtakes fact and makes a lot of what you write questionable (from a factual perspective).

MG ICE's

NEW MG ZS model D 599,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS model X 649,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS model V 689,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS MODEL 100 TH Anniversary Special Edition 659,900 Baht

MG EV's

NEW MG ZS model D 829,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS model X 899,000 Baht

https://www.mgcars.com/en/mg-models/new-mg-zs/price

https://www.mgcars.com/en/mg-models/new-mg-zs-ev/price

Edited October 10 by richard_smith237

KhunLA · October 10

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

"Read into that all I want"... OK - here goes.. More bias information...

Even when using your favourite brand; MG, the EV version of the same car is approximately between 169,000 and 300,000 baht more expensive - so no - its not an EV is not a better price point at all.

But some how all the facts are different for you - which is where you loose credibility, which is a shame because you also present good information.... but again, your bias overtakes fact.

MG ICE's

NEW MG ZS model D 599,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS model X 649,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS model V 689,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS MODEL 100 TH Anniversary Special Edition 659,900 Baht

MG EV's

NEW MG ZS model D 829,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS model X 899,000 Baht

https://www.mgcars.com/en/mg-models/new-mg-zs/price

https://www.mgcars.com/en/mg-models/new-mg-zs-ev/price

With the exception of the MG, as always a better value than JP badged autos at same price point.

Do note the highlighted (quote) below .... 'performance'

ZS ICE ... 0-100 kph ... ~12.2 sec

ZS BEV ... 0-100 kph ... ~8.4 secs

Good luck finding an ICEV that performs as good as the ZS BEV @ 829K

Price the Toyota Crosses & specs.

... Corolla Cross starts (not HEV) @ 999k :cheesy:

... Yaris Cross HEV starts @ 789k ... 10.65 secs

They needs petrol to operate :cheesy:

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Final thought, BEVs at the same price point ARE BETTER, if just for performance alone. Read into all the rest that you want. My MGs 2020 onward (at their price points), were better and or safer & more convenient 'for me' to drive.

As always ... YMMV

vinny41 · October 10

54 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

"Read into that all I want"... OK - here goes.. I read more false bias from you.

Even when using your favourite brand; MG, the EV version of the same car is approximately between 169,000 and 300,000 baht more expensive.

So, No... an EV is not a better price point at all.

But some how all the facts are different for you - which is where you loose credibility, this is a shame because you also present good and useful information on EV's .... but again, your bias overtakes fact and makes a lot of what you write questionable (from a factual perspective).

MG ICE's

NEW MG ZS model D 599,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS model X 649,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS model V 689,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS MODEL 100 TH Anniversary Special Edition 659,900 Baht

MG EV's

NEW MG ZS model D 829,000 Baht

NEW MG ZS model X 899,000 Baht

https://www.mgcars.com/en/mg-models/new-mg-zs/price

https://www.mgcars.com/en/mg-models/new-mg-zs-ev/price

MG doesn't always update their website since end of August they have reduced the price of the MG ZS EV as new model coming later this year or early next year

Clearance Sale, up to 350,000 baht discount for MG ZS EV, 100% electric car, remaining 599,000 - 699,000 baht, some colors, some sub-models and some dealers only. * Special price MG ZS EV

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-discount-mg-zs-ev-july2024/

richard_smith237 · October 10

20 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

With the exception of the MG, as always a better value than JP badged autos at same price point.

Do note the highlighted (quote) below .... 'performance'

ZS ICE ... 0-100 kph ... ~12.2 sec

ZS BEV ... 0-100 kph ... ~8.4 secs

Good luck finding an ICEV that performs as good as the ZS BEV @ 829K

Price the Toyota Crosses & specs.

... Corolla Cross starts (not HEV) @ 999k

... Yaris Cross HEV starts @ 789k ... 10.65 secs

They needs petrol to operate

I completely agree - the instant torque makes EV's faster off the mark than ICE's ( thats one of the reasons I like EV's)...

.... meanwhile driver assistance systems, aids, safety (airbags), assistive braking etc... all that stuff remains the same.... and the EV is more expensive than its equivalent 'same manufacturer' counterparts.

richard_smith237 · October 10

11 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

MG doesn't always update their website since end of August they have reduced the price of the MG ZS EV as new model coming later this year or early next year

Clearance Sale, up to 350,000 baht discount for MG ZS EV, 100% electric car, remaining 599,000 - 699,000 baht, some colors, some sub-models and some dealers only. * Special price MG ZS EV

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-discount-mg-zs-ev-july2024/

Thats great info - for anyone who'd consider buying an MG.....

Strange that MG can't be bothered to update their webpage though, thats terrible marketing.

That said, the page you link to also suggest the 'pre-discount price' is around the 1 Million Baht mark for the MG ZS EV which we know isn't true... (as shown in another comment above).

richard_smith237 · October 10

On a separate note - anyone know if the KIA EV3 is coming to Thailand ???

Also Xiaomi are reported to be releasing a car in 2025 - that will be interesting.

KhunLA · October 10

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I completely agree - the instant torque makes EV's faster off the mark than ICE's ( thats one of the reasons I like EV's)...

.... meanwhile driver assistance systems, aids, safety (airbags), assistive braking etc... all that stuff remains the same.... and the EV is more expensive than its equivalent 'same manufacturer' counterparts.

See, we can agree :cheesy:

I'm a keep till it dies, or shall I say, getting back to it. Now that I know one should last a long time. Of course, have solar, makes the BEV a no brainer, while it's running, or craps out. Then turns into more ESS :coffee1:

KhunLA · October 10

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thats great info - for anyone who'd consider buying an MG.....

Strange that MG can't be bothered to update their webpage though, thats terrible marketing.

That said, the page you link to also suggest the 'pre-discount price' is around the 1 Million Baht mark for the MG ZS EV which we know isn't true... (as shown in another comment above).

I'm still waiting to hear about someone finding one of those 599k bargains, and this month, not when first announced.

As I stated a few times, that's bargain of the year IMHO, if needing, wanting B-class SUV. After 2 yrs/35k kms, I still give it 👍👍

Edited October 10 by KhunLA

vinny41 · October 10

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thats great info - for anyone who'd consider buying an MG.....

Strange that MG can't be bothered to update their webpage though, thats terrible marketing.

That said, the page you link to also suggest the 'pre-discount price' is around the 1 Million Baht mark for the MG ZS EV which we know isn't true... (as shown in another comment above).

When Byd recently announce B340,000 that brought them attention from the Office of the Consumer Protection Board maybe MG thinking if we don't announce the price reductions on the website we wouldn't receive the same attention

When the MG ZS EV was launched in March 2022 before any susbsidies

Price of MG ZS EV D was 1,189,000 baht

Price of MG ZS EV X was 1,269,000 baht

vinny41 · October 10

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

On a separate note - anyone know if the KIA EV3 is coming to Thailand ???

Also Xiaomi are reported to be releasing a car in 2025 - that will be interesting.

Depending on suggested retail price KIA will be subjected to either 40% import tax if price is below B2M or 60% import tax if retail price is above B2M

vinny41 · October 10

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I'm still waiting to hear about someone finding one of those 599k bargains, and this month, not when first announced.

As I stated a few times, that's bargain of the year IMHO, if needing, wanting B-class SUV. After 2 yrs/35k kms, I still give it 👍👍

Still available on Facebook but numbers for the D model are limited now

this was posted today

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2572340166118367/permalink/9041843759167943

richard_smith237 · October 10

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

See, we can agree

I'm a keep till it dies, or shall I say, getting back to it. Now that I know one should last a long time. Of course, have solar, makes the BEV a no brainer, while it's running, or craps out. Then turns into more ESS

The best info for me was a Grab Driving in an EV - he said he used to spend about 10,000 baht on petrol, now he spends 2000 baht per month extra on his house electricity.

richard_smith237 · October 10

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

On a separate note - anyone know if the KIA EV3 is coming to Thailand ???

Also Xiaomi are reported to be releasing a car in 2025 - that will be interesting.

Depending on suggested retail price KIA will be subjected to either 40% import tax if price is below B2M or 60% import tax if retail price is above B2M

The EV5 is priced at 1.3 to 1.8 MB - highly competitive with its 'class competitors' Honda CRV, Mazda CX-5 etc.

I'd expect an EV3 to be priced in a similar fashion with its competitors (if it does come to Thailand in 2025).

The Thai government has rolled out several incentives to make BEVs more competitive, with subsidies, reduced import taxes, and excise tax cuts. For instance, excise taxes for BEVs are as low as 2-8%, compared to 20-40% for ICE vehicles - so a KIA EV3 may well be something priced competitively and perhaps in line with the MG ZS EV pricing I'd imagine

motdaeng · October 10

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I also Xiaomi are reported to be releasing a car in 2025 - that will be interesting.

that would be interesting but would also surprise me, ... where did you read that? thanks 😊

vinny41 · October 10

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The EV5 is priced at 1.3 to 1.8 MB - highly competitive with its 'class competitors' Honda CRV, Mazda CX-5 etc.

I'd expect an EV3 to be priced in a similar fashion with its competitors (if it does come to Thailand in 2025).

The Thai government has rolled out several incentives to make BEVs more competitive, with subsidies, reduced import taxes, and excise tax cuts. For instance, excise taxes for BEVs are as low as 2-8%, compared to 20-40% for ICE vehicles - so a KIA EV3 may well be something priced competitively and perhaps in line with the MG ZS EV pricing I'd imagine

1.1 CBU BEVs with a battery size of over 10 kilowatt-hour (kWh) and suggested retail price (SRP) of less than 2 million THB:

For those not imported under an FTA, the import duty rate will be reduced from 80% to 40%.

1.2 CBU BEV with a battery size of over 30 kWh and an SRP of more than 2 million THB, but not exceeding 7 million THB:

For those not imported under an FTA, the import duty rate will be reduced from 80% to 60%

https://kpmg.com/th/en/home/insights/2022/05/th-tax-news-flash-issue-130.html#:~:text

KhunLA · October 10

24 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Still available on Facebook but numbers for the D model are limited now

this was posted today

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2572340166118367/permalink/9041843759167943

I see the adverts, but are they still there, or just trying to get you into the showroom. I think the latter.

When some posts here, that just picked one up, I might, might, believe they are available.

Edited October 10 by KhunLA

richard_smith237 · October 10

8 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

31 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I also Xiaomi are reported to be releasing a car in 2025 - that will be interesting.

that would be interesting but would also surprise me, ... where did you read that? thanks 😊

Release is expected to be around March '25.

It looks like it wants to take on the Porsche and Tesla S

https://autolifethailand.tv/xiaomi-su7-ev-bev-sedan/

https://www.autospinn.com/2024/01/xiaomi-su7-134638

Chat GPT info:

The Xiaomi SU7 electric vehicle (EV) is expected to debut in Thailand soon, with an estimated price starting at around 1.09 million THB for the base model. The higher-end Pro and Max models are priced at approximately 1.26 million THB and 1.51 million THB, respectively. The vehicle will likely be available in early 2024, following its release in other markets.

The SU7 offers impressive features, including different battery options with a maximum driving range of up to 810 kilometers. It also supports fast charging, with the Max model being able to charge 510 kilometers of range in just 15 minutes (mxphone) (Bangkok Post).

retarius · October 10

Get a Toyota Alphard. Great motor, most comfortable car I have ever had. I always sneered at vans, but would be great with kids and grandparents too, plus easy to get into and out of...lovely upholstery inside. All round great motor.

LosLobo · October 10

10 hours ago, retarius said:

Get a Toyota Alphard. Great motor, most comfortable car I have ever had. I always sneered at vans, but would be great with kids and grandparents too, plus easy to get into and out of...lovely upholstery inside. All round great motor.

Great price too!
From 4,129,000 baht new!

Surasak · October 11

On 10/8/2024 at 11:04 AM, Liverpool Lou said:

Cobblers.

Strange looking things in every fuel station I use then?

At least one, a few with two, and one I have visited had three.

KhunLA · October 11

25 minutes ago, Surasak said:

Strange looking things in every fuel station I use then?

At least one, a few with two, and one I have visited had three.

JBChiangRai · October 11

13 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Still available on Facebook but numbers for the D model are limited now

this was posted today

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2572340166118367/permalink/9041843759167943

I've replied to the new adverts, they don't have D model, they are just too lazy to update their graphics and want to bait and switch.

vinny41 · October 11

30 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I've replied to the new adverts, they don't have D model, they are just too lazy to update their graphics and want to bait and switch.

I know you were looking at Good Cat at one point

Amazing pictures here of good cat flooded for 3 days and battery does not need replacing

some comments state that Catl battery has very good waterproofing.

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1108386864190877&set=pcb.1108205944208969

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