Surprised no reaction from BYD owners on this forum

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

You do realise that a dealer price is more than you will get when you trade it in or sell it privately?

 

An 8+ yr old car sold in Thailand will get you very little ICE or EV. Everyone going on about depreciation of EVs fails to look at ICE car depreciation.

 

EV cars are getting cheaper, that's a good thing in my mind, cheaper to buy new or used, it gets more people into EVs and destroys the barrier to entry "EVs are too expensive" 

The main difference between EV and ICE depreciation is the huge price reductions on EV's

We have seen nearly 50% price reduction on MG ZS EV and B340,000 now when a brand reduces prices in such manner it increases the standard depreciation that occurs due to age and mileage

And majority of EV brands are now offering huge price reductions

mainly due to oversupply and lack of demand and unable to export due to not meeting the 40% local content requirement for ASEAN FTA

We are not seeing the same oversupply in the ICE market as while the domestic is currently depressed they are selling exporting overseas

In August 2024, 86,066 finished cars were exported

Pickup trucks 48,201 units, accounting for 56% of total exports, down 14.07% from 2023. 

ICE passenger cars 22,677 units, accounting for 26.35% of total exports, an increase of   16.11% from 2023. 

HEV passenger cars 3,516 units, accounting for 4.09% of total exports, an increase of   351.93% from 2023. 

11,672 PPVs accounted for 13.56% of total exports, down 4.66% from 2023.

The last known huge price reductions on ICE vehicles that I am aware of  was in 2020 when Chevrolet decided to exit Thailand and sold their remaining stock with price reductions of 50%

https://www.mreport.co.th/news/statistic-and-ranking/555-thailand-automotive-export-2024-august

[wimpy]

1 hour ago, brfsa2 said:

I have a 5kW solar system without battery, because they are way overpriced here. so, what I do, I use my car as the battery!

I basically charge every day during the day at low speed, using a portable 2kWh charger to make sure most of my production goes to the car battery, when the car is not home, it goes back to the grid at 2.2THB.

my card battery stays most of the time between 30% and 80%. 

 

Can the car power your house during a power outage?

[KhunLA]

16 minutes ago, wimpy said:

 

Can the car power your house during a power outage?

Actually it can, along with heat up your water kettle for a cuppa ... when you feel like chilling in Nakhon Nowhere ... 

 

Provide AC all night, while you snooze in it, without the worry of carbon monoxide poisoning. @7:20 of 2nd vid

 

 

 

Edited October 9 by KhunLA

[JeffersLos]

Thai salespeople for Chinese companies can absolutely be trusted. 

[Bandersnatch]

9 minutes ago, wimpy said:

 

Can the car power your house during a power outage?

 

 

This is my setup 

 

 

Edited October 9 by Bandersnatch

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

Thai salespeople for Chinese companies can absolutely be trusted. 

I guess you don't buy any cars in TH, as there aren't many Thai auto makers here.  There's the low spec'd Thai BEV truck maker .... oh crap 

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

This is my setup 

 

https://youtu.be/Sgzc7jD-R9c?si=gOKrkdsH10QOCJ37

Since having only 1 inverter system, I really should prep for the worst.  Or it gives me a reason to go O&A, and just have our installer sort it out. 

 

House key is under that rock, sorry, no beer in house.  I got plenty of extension cords 

[Srikcir]

On 10/8/2024 at 2:18 PM, retarius said:

Ever think why the tax on imported vehicles is so high?

"Time to Rebalance the Wheels in Thailand’s Green," Automotive Policy Published 26 Jul 2024. 

• Thailand has offered tariff-free preferences to Chinese EV makers since January 2012 under ACFTA. In contrast, the tariffs of EVs imposed on Japan and South Korea are much higher at 20 and 40 per cent, respectively. 
• Chinese EV makers are thriving in Thailand due to the country’s tariffs and incentives, but industry incumbents are struggling (Japan, South Korea, EU).

 

[wimpy]

41 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

This is my setup 

 

That is very cool.

[brfsa2]

14 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

 

This is my setup 

 

 

 

WOW, Thank you so much for the video! I have been wondering how to use the V2L for a house. 

You have really cool setup of over there!

 

How do you ensure no power is sent to the car via the V2L? is that handled by your Inverter or by the switch? 

 

I never have major power outage in Bangkok, the MEA have recently upgraded all the power lines with those new super tall steel poles. my Voltage is always 233-236V even at high load.

 

But in my country side home, power outages are very regular! planing for a setup like yours in the future with some batteries, ability to use V2L. 

 

Because I have a Huawei setup, I don't think I can attach any battery, would have to be the very expensive huawei ones. they are going for 140K THB for just 7kWh, and the 14kWh is 250K THB !!!! that's insane. 

 

Did you do all that setup yourself or you hired some of it?

[brfsa2]

41 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

"Time to Rebalance the Wheels in Thailand’s Green," Automotive Policy Published 26 Jul 2024. 

• Thailand has offered tariff-free preferences to Chinese EV makers since January 2012 under ACFTA. In contrast, the tariffs of EVs imposed on Japan and South Korea are much higher at 20 and 40 per cent, respectively. 
• Chinese EV makers are thriving in Thailand due to the country’s tariffs and incentives, but industry incumbents are struggling (Japan, South Korea, EU).

 

Yep, most EVs from Korea are still expensive here. They are really good thou... I really love The Hyundai IONIQ 5, that would be my next car. I just love cars that the driver can enter from either side and doesn't have that bulky center consoles blocking my long legs 🤣 

no money for the IONIQ 5 N, but that car is a serious beast ! 

 

[Bandersnatch]

3 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

How do you ensure no power is sent to the car via the V2L? is that handled by your Inverter or by the switch? 

 

 

There are 2 different connectors. The car is powered by plugging in the wall charger.

 

Once the V2L is connected power can only go one way and that is out of the car into the "grid connection" on my off- grid inverters.

[josephbloggs]

26 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

Yep, most EVs from Korea are still expensive here. They are really good thou... I really love The Hyundai IONIQ 5, that would be my next car. I just love cars that the driver can enter from either side and doesn't have that bulky center consoles blocking my long legs 🤣 

no money for the IONIQ 5 N, but that car is a serious beast ! 

 

I really like the Ioniq 5 too - such a great looking car. Seen a handful on the roads.

I wonder how much the "N" version will cost when/if they release it here. For sure will be way more than any performance BYD. But it is very very cool.

Edited October 9 by josephbloggs
typo

[Bandersnatch]

23 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

wonder how much the "N" version will cost when/if they release it here. For sure will be way more than any performance BYD. But it is very very cool.

 

Think I'll stick to my BYD Seal Performance even if it is 0.4 seconds slower than the N 

 

[josephbloggs]

1 minute ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Think I'll stick to my BYD Seal Performance even if it is 0.4 seconds slower than the N 

 

Woah, 3.8m!!!!!

Wow. They have no chance of selling any at that price.

Seal is the way forward. Shame as I prefer the looks of the Ioniq over the Seal although I think the Seal is a very good looking car. But that is crazy pricing.

[brfsa2]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Woah, 3.8m!!!!!

Wow. They have no chance of selling any at that price.

Seal is the way forward. Shame as I prefer the looks of the Ioniq over the Seal although I think the Seal is a very good looking car. But that is crazy pricing.

The seal is definitely the best you can get for that money here in Thailand, if 0-100 is all that matters.

Of course the Ioniq is too expensive...

The Ioniq N is a track oriented car, the suspension setup, brakes, launch control and the whole car structure overall is what makes the ioniq exclusive and soo expensive. 

 

The updated Tesla model 3 performance is also really good, much cheaper too and still faster than the Ioniq 3;  that is, 0-100 km/h is 3.1 seconds, Top Speed 262 km/h. the new Tesla motors are insanely good.

 

[josephbloggs]

28 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

The seal is definitely the best you can get for that money here in Thailand, if 0-100 is all that matters.

Of course the Ioniq is too expensive...

The Ioniq N is a track oriented car, the suspension setup, brakes, launch control and the whole car structure overall is what makes the ioniq exclusive and soo expensive. 

 

The updated Tesla model 3 performance is also really good, much cheaper too and still faster than the Ioniq 3;  that is, 0-100 km/h is 3.1 seconds, Top Speed 262 km/h. the new Tesla motors are insanely good.

 

Agree with everything. The Ioniq N is so much more than a "fast in a straight line" EV, it drifts, it is track focused, and (supposedly) it is immense fun. The fake gears, fake rev limiters, and fake noise sounds like it should be horrendous but anyone who has actually reviewed it says it is brilliant - just a ton of fun.

I'm not spending 3.8m baht on one for sure, but it does sound like an absolute riot.
 

 

[HighPriority]

18 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

So, according to you, if someone does not own an EV, that means that someone can't possibly be informed about EVs.

Interesting.

But then, I don't expect much logic from people who buy such cars.

 

 

 

Have you ever heard of “weighing” evidence ?

 

If I am thinking of buying a computer should I ask questions of people who are knowledgeable of computers or should I ask about them with the lost tribe who just walked out of the Amazon ?

 

How do you feel when you’re helping someone with some tech issue and they argue against your best advice ?

 

The ev owners here don’t have anything to gain from sharing their experiences yet opinionated blockheads keep telling and arguing against their experiences… 

[HighPriority]

18 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Incorrect. ICE's will be around for another 30 years, minimum.

 

My Vios is close to 20 years old. My mechanic claims it has another 5-10 years left.

 

That means any reliable ICE sold today will still be around at the 30 year mark, and AFAIK the ICE market has not collapsed overnight. It is still 86% of market share in Thailand.

 

Anyone who buys a secondhand ICE with 50,000 km on the odometer knows they can expect another 200,000 km before any major maintenance. With EV's, the track record is far less

 

established.

Where will you buy petrol in 2054 ?

[Bandersnatch]

22 hours ago, john donson said:

early adopters always pay a price to be first to show off to others...

 

Back in 2018 I attended the BKK motor show looking to buy an EV.

 

I only saw 2 for sale, the Fomm 1  - a micro car and a 40kWh Nissan Leaf for ฿2m.

 

If I wanted to show off I would have bought the Leaf, but it was clearly overpriced for a 40kWh EV with CHAdeMO charging.

 

Do you really think that the need to show off is the main reason people buy EVs? If this was true then we would all be queuing up to buy the new Ioniq 5N for ฿3.8m but you can see the reaction to the price in this discussion.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, HighPriority said:

Have you ever heard of “weighing” evidence ?

 

If I am thinking of buying a computer should I ask questions of people who are knowledgeable of computers or should I ask about them with the lost tribe who just walked out of the Amazon ?

 

How do you feel when you’re helping someone with some tech issue and they argue against your best advice ?

 

The ev owners here don’t have anything to gain from sharing their experiences yet opinionated blockheads keep telling and arguing against their experiences… 

 

In a way you are right, and in a way not.

Obviously, it is good to listen to people with experience. 

But not every user/driver is experienced. And things like battery fires don't happen so often that normal users would have experienced them. I am sure there are EV owners out there who don't even know that there is a fire risk. The sales guy didn't mention that part when they bought it.

 

And then there is the personal confirmation habit. I did this and I made a good decision. I don't want to listen to anybody who might make me rethink of what I did. That is just normal human behavior for anything we bought. And the more expensive the item we bought the more do we like to confirm ourselves that we made a good decision.

 

That doesn't mean all EV users lie when they say how happy they are. Probably many of them are happy. But how many of them sold already an EV? And how many experienced an EV fire? Few. 

[motdaeng]

11 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

In a way you are right, and in a way not.

Obviously, it is good to listen to people with experience. 

But not every user/driver is experienced. And things like battery car fires don't happen so often with ICE  that normal users would have experienced them. I am sure there are EV  ICE owners out there who don't even know that there is a fire risk. The sales guy didn't mention that part when they bought it.

 

And then there is the personal confirmation habit. I did this (buying an ICE and not buying an ev) and I made a good decision (not go for an bev). I don't want to listen to anybody who might make me rethink of what I did. That is just normal human behavior for anything we bought. And the more expensive (ICE car) the item we bought the more do we like to confirm ourselves that we made a good decision.

 

That doesn't mean all EV ICE users lie when they say how happy they are. Probably many of them are happy. But how many of them sold already an EV ICE? And how many experienced an EV ICE fire? Few. 

 

i did slightly modifying your text to show you that the same applies equally to ice cars (owner) as well ... 

[Bandersnatch]

The biggest problem getting accurate information about EVs, Alternative Energy or Climate Change is disinformation primarily funded by the fossil fuel industry. There are vast profits at stake and most people are easily manipulated.

 

How many times have seen these words posted on AN "of course the future of mass transportation is Hydrogen" Hydrogen produced by the fossil fuel industry from "natural gas" = Methane 

 

When I see that, I know I am looking at someone who has done no research to check his "facts" before posting. 

 

Are EVs perfect? Of course not.

 

Are batteries 100% immune to thermal runaway? No, but some like LFP battery chemistry are much, much safer.

 

I do a lot of fact checking and somethings I see posted stand up, like don't buy a cheap unbranded e-bike and charge it in your bedroom while you sleep.

[josephbloggs]

34 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

The biggest problem getting accurate information about EVs, Alternative Energy or Climate Change is disinformation primarily funded by the fossil fuel industry. There are vast profits at stake and most people are easily manipulated.

 

How many times have seen these words posted on AN "of course the future of mass transportation is Hydrogen" Hydrogen produced by the fossil fuel industry from "natural gas" = Methane 

 

When I see that, I know I am looking at someone who has done no research to check his "facts" before posting. 

 

Are EVs perfect? Of course not.

 

Are batteries 100% immune to thermal runaway? No, but some like LFP battery chemistry are much, much safer.

 

I do a lot of fact checking and somethings I see posted stand up, like don't buy a cheap unbranded e-bike and charge it in your bedroom while you sleep.

Something popped up in my news feed this morning. The headline is:

Toyota's portable hydrogen cartridges look like giant AA batteries – and could spell the end of lengthy EV charging

I don't even bother clicking on them any more.

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And then there is the personal confirmation habit. I did this and I made a good decision. I don't want to listen to anybody who might make me rethink of what I did. That is just normal human behavior for anything we bought. And the more expensive the item we bought the more do we like to confirm ourselves that we made a good decision.

I don't think people are that precious - I have seen all the EV owners on here post the downsides such as they are.

I spent close to 40k on an iPhone 14 ProMax about 18 months ago (I think). I still don't like it and wouldn't buy it again.

[Purdey]

I like my company diesel-powered Innova. Never goes wrong and easy to maintain. I doubt I shall buy an EV in the future. Too many negative stories.

[brfsa2]

it's better to ignore the ignorants. it's an uphill battle! they will be ignorant forever and no matter how much truth you given them, they're still going to stay ignorant and refuse the facts. 

 

putting that aside, EV cars are great for some, not so great for others.

I've saved so much money with mine that the car will be fully paid off in 12 years from savings. my in-laws even less than 8 years from savings as well. 

hybrids are also great if savings is important.

[vinny41]

Primearth EV Energy becomes Toyota Battery

Speaking at the event, Mr Okada confirmed his company “will contribute to Toyota’s multi-pathway strategy with batteries for HEVs (hybrid electric vehicles), PHEVs (plug-in hybrid electric vehicles) and BEVs (battery electric vehicles), as well as secondary batteries for fuel cell vehicles.

“In addition, we want to explore all possible ways of supporting Toyota’s commitment to developing hydrogen-engine vehicles, including the potential for batteries to extend the cruising range or reduce fuel tank size.”

https://www.just-auto.com/news/primearth-ev-energy-becomes-toyota-battery/

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

i did slightly modifying your text to show you that the same applies equally to ice cars (owner) as well ... 

It's not the same. 

And if you think it's the same then you are ignorant. I can't help you with that condition.

 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

I don't think people are that precious - I have seen all the EV owners on here post the downsides such as they are.

I spent close to 40k on an iPhone 14 ProMax about 18 months ago (I think). I still don't like it and wouldn't buy it again.

 

Then you are the exception of the rule.

 

Rory Sutherland explains it in a nice way.