Judge: Trump Could Be Partially Responsible for Jan. 6 Riot Despite Lack of Direct Order

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

WOW, There's ample evidence he knew there was a violent riot going on and people were being hurt and ne knew there was raged comments about hanging the VP and more.

 

But he sat in the oval office watching all of this on TV and did nothing even though many senior staff begged him to act.

 

He's complicit, as sure as Saturday follows Friday. 

 

You don't know this. There is actually very little evidence of what was going on after the Secret Service moved Trump away to the WH, only hearsay, like the testimonial "evidence" that the J6 committee tried to use which was later shown up to be false. Other evidence offered by the Capitol Police and FBI was not heard at all.  

 

 

[proton]

Dems getting desperate, what next another assassination attempt? They know voters are seeing through Kamala, every time she speaks she loses votes. 

Edited October 18 by proton

[Thingamabob]

'Could be partially responsible....no explicit order'. In other words, not guilty.

[candide]

44 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

You don't know this. There is actually very little evidence of what was going on after the Secret Service moved Trump away to the WH, only hearsay, like the testimonial "evidence" that the J6 committee tried to use which was later shown up to be false. Other evidence offered by the Capitol Police and FBI was not heard at all.  

 

 

Lol! There were several converging testimonies showing that Trump watched TV and did nothing to stop the assault.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/point-7-evidence-during-attack-trump-ignored-requests-speak-out-and-failed-act-quickly

[thesetat2013]

2 hours ago, Lopburikid said:

Couldn't the Judge be partly responsible for some of the crimes that were committed after she acquitted or ve too light a sentence to criminals who then go on to  reoffend???? 

Not so  sure about that.. Maybe the prison system itself should be responsible since they allow gangs and drugs and crimes to be done while you are incarcerated... haha..

[mushroomdave]

[Yellowtail]

Well, at least it's down to being a riot and not an "armed insurrection" 

[animalmagic]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

You don't know this. There is actually very little evidence of what was going on after the Secret Service moved Trump away to the WH, only hearsay, like the testimonial "evidence" that the J6 committee tried to use which was later shown up to be false. Other evidence offered by the Capitol Police and FBI was not heard at all.  

 

 

The words of an accused person are NOT hearsay and any individual who personally heard those words can testify to that fact. Hearsay covers when A tries to testify on the basis that B told A what the accused said. 

[dinsdale]

9 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

You seem to be staggeringly naive.....

 

A U.S. judge can use the term “could” when considering a ruling. Judges often consider hypothetical outcomes or possibilities when analyzing a case. For example, when reviewing evidence or legal arguments, a judge might use “could” to refer to potential interpretations, consequences, or outcomes:

 

• In legal reasoning: A judge might say, “This evidence could support a finding of guilt” or “The law could be interpreted in this way.” Here, “could” signals that there is a possibility without definitively making a conclusion.

• In hypothetical reasoning: A judge might use “could” to discuss what might happen under certain conditions, such as “This ruling could set a precedent” or “The defendant’s actions could have led to harm.”

 

 

But it's not evidential i.e. lacking any evidence/proof. Apart from this it's a district court. Probably one of the junior partners or someone lower in the chain of the legal firm dealing with this.

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

There is no question for you... Because that is what you choose to think or feel. but facts choose responsibilities. The facts do not support what you choose to think. 

And you can only believe and embrace that nonsense due the hypnotic spell of the Shaman huckster. Truth does not support lies. 

[Skeptic7]

He's 💯 % responsible for inciting that mob to action, violence, destruction injury and death. He planned and coordinated it for weeks. Anyone who denies this is an orange kool-aide-aholic...and a liar🤥

[candide]

Transcript of moment Trump was handed a Diet Coke to watch Capitol riot on TV is released 😃

"And then we walked back to the back. I'm taking off his outer coat that he's wearing right now, and I get the TV, like, ready for him, and hand him over the remote, and he starts watching it. And I stepped out to get him a Diet Coke, come back in, and that's pretty much it for me as he's watching it and, like, seeing it for himself."

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/18/politics/donald-trump-special-counsel-evidence-documents-release/index.html

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Transcript of moment Trump was handed a Diet Coke to watch Capitol riot on TV is released 😃

"And then we walked back to the back. I'm taking off his outer coat that he's wearing right now, and I get the TV, like, ready for him, and hand him over the remote, and he starts watching it. And I stepped out to get him a Diet Coke, come back in, and that's pretty much it for me as he's watching it and, like, seeing it for himself."

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/18/politics/donald-trump-special-counsel-evidence-documents-release/index.html

And? 

[scorecard]

19 hours ago, proton said:

Dems getting desperate, what next another assassination attempt? They know voters are seeing through Kamala, every time she speaks she loses votes. 

You're getting desperate, trying to talk up another assassination attempt. 

 

Trump is losing votes in very big numbers, he can't get a big crown and resorts to playing music for 30+ minutes. 

[nauseus]

19 hours ago, candide said:

Lol! There were several converging testimonies showing that Trump watched TV and did nothing to stop the assault.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/point-7-evidence-during-attack-trump-ignored-requests-speak-out-and-failed-act-quickly

 

Converging out of control so that they crashed? The main reference within your link concerns the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson, who's "evidence" has long been refuted by the Secret Service. A lot of hearsay with no actual evidence but with connivance from Cheyney. See below.

 

From this link:

https://cha.house.gov/2024/10/new-texts-reveal-liz-cheney-communicated-with-cassidy-hutchinson-about-her-select-committee-testimony-without-hutchinson-s-attorney-s-knowledge-despite-cheney-knowing-it-was-unethical

 

Background:

During the Select Committee’s sensationalized prime-time hearings, Hutchinson was their surprise, "star witness". Hutchinson testified under oath that she heard that Trump had lunged at the steering wheel of the presidential SUV and engaged in a physical altercation with his lead Secret Service agent after being told they were not going to the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

Our Subcommittee's "Initial Findings Report" released in March shows that other White House employees did not corroborate Hutchinson’s dramatic account, and instead directly refuted it. The Select Committee was in possession of these accounts but chose to hide them, and instead promoted Hutchinson’s scandalous narrative.

[nauseus]

20 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

You don't know this. There is actually very little evidence of what was going on after the Secret Service moved Trump away to the WH, only hearsay, like the testimonial "evidence" that the J6 committee tried to use which was later shown up to be false. Other evidence offered by the Capitol Police and FBI was not heard at all.  

 

 

 

OK then. At least three of you are amused that this so-called "hearing" declined to "hear" some of the most critical evidence from professional law enforcement officers. Says a lot.

[candide]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Transcript of moment Trump was handed a Diet Coke to watch Capitol riot on TV is released 😃

"And then we walked back to the back. I'm taking off his outer coat that he's wearing right now, and I get the TV, like, ready for him, and hand him over the remote, and he starts watching it. And I stepped out to get him a Diet Coke, come back in, and that's pretty much it for me as he's watching it and, like, seeing it for himself."

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/10/18/politics/donald-trump-special-counsel-evidence-documents-release/index.html

 

31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Converging out of control so that they crashed? The main reference within your link concerns the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson, who's "evidence" has long been refuted by the Secret Service. A lot of hearsay with no actual evidence but with connivance from Cheyney. See below.

 

From this link:

https://cha.house.gov/2024/10/new-texts-reveal-liz-cheney-communicated-with-cassidy-hutchinson-about-her-select-committee-testimony-without-hutchinson-s-attorney-s-knowledge-despite-cheney-knowing-it-was-unethical

 

Background:

During the Select Committee’s sensationalized prime-time hearings, Hutchinson was their surprise, "star witness". Hutchinson testified under oath that she heard that Trump had lunged at the steering wheel of the presidential SUV and engaged in a physical altercation with his lead Secret Service agent after being told they were not going to the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

Our Subcommittee's "Initial Findings Report" released in March shows that other White House employees did not corroborate Hutchinson’s dramatic account, and instead directly refuted it. The Select Committee was in possession of these accounts but chose to hide them, and instead promoted Hutchinson’s scandalous narrative.

Moving target? The discussion was about Trump watching TV and doing nothing to stop the riot. Confirmed by one more testimony (see my quoted post).

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

 

Moving target? The discussion was about Trump watching TV and doing nothing to stop the riot. Confirmed by one more testimony (see my quoted post).

 

To which claim you added your link, which was more about Hutchinson's flawed hearsay than Trump watching TV.

 

Like the J6 sham committee, you ignore anything that doesn't suit your narrative. 

[candide]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

To which claim you added your link, which was more about Hutchinson's flawed hearsay than Trump watching TV.

 

Like the J6 sham committee, you ignore anything that doesn't suit your narrative. 

In other words, you have nothing.

 

The article was covering the whole day, including when Trump was watching TV.

Confirmed by the other more recent article I posted after that.

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, candide said:

In other words, you have nothing.

 

The article was covering the whole day, including when Trump was watching TV.

Confirmed by the other more recent article I posted after that.

Right

[G_Money]

On 10/18/2024 at 3:36 PM, Will B Good said:

 

In the news today....one of Trump's attorneys claims Trump has tried to throw more money at Stormy Daniels in the hope she shuts up.

 

Cost him a fortune not having sex with that woman.

And you believe it.  No wonder the country is in the state it is under the Democratic leadership.

[G_Money]

So “could “ and “partially responsible “ could be used to charge Pelosi, Waters and even Harris (bail out money) with death, destruction, mayhem and anarchy during the infamous “summer of love “.

 

 

[candide]

13 minutes ago, G_Money said:

So “could “ and “partially responsible “ could be used to charge Pelosi, Waters and even Harris (bail out money) with death, destruction, mayhem and anarchy during the infamous “summer of love “.

 

 

When "could" have them sent a mob to assault the Capitol and try to steal elections?

[G_Money]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

When "could" have them sent a mob to assault the Capitol and try to steal elections?

 
Another example of your post making no sense.

 

One of the best on the forum in that regard .   I give credit when credit is due.

[frank83628]

On 10/18/2024 at 3:31 PM, TheFishman1 said:

Trump makes himself look bad paid off one woman so she wouldn’t say that they were having sex while his wife is in the hospital having his child he lies and she steals he has no morals. He goes down as the worst president in American history.

only by the left

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, candide said:

In other words, you have nothing.

 

The article was covering the whole day, including when Trump was watching TV.

Confirmed by the other more recent article I posted after that.

 

More the other way round.

[candide]

3 hours ago, G_Money said:

 
Another example of your post making no sense.

 

One of the best on the forum in that regard .   I give credit when credit is due.

Absolutely not. I am far behind your your nonsensical false equivalence! 😃

Edited October 19 by candide

[bendejo]

On 10/18/2024 at 7:21 AM, animalmagic said:

The words of an accused person are NOT hearsay and any individual who personally heard those words can testify to that fact. Hearsay covers when A tries to testify on the basis that B told A what the accused said. 

Thanks for pointing that out.  Who in the US has not heard of Miranda rights: "anything you say can be used against you"?

I believe what Cassidy Hutchinson said about the steering wheel incident on 1/6, but it was hearsay.  I think what happened is one of the DT aids told her this, but that aid was told to say that by the guy with the comb-over.

 

[farangkinok]

This judge's hero and role model is Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria. 

[Tug]

7 hours ago, G_Money said:

And you believe it.  No wonder the country is in the state it is under the Democratic leadership.

Thank god….low unemployment stellar stockmarket inflation tamed excellent GDP meaningful legislation accomplished benefitting our people and the environment…now you were saying?