Expats and Retirees Excluded in Thailand's Citizenship Grants

[Aussie999]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

Thailand needs a willing workforce, instead of chasing illegals, turn them into citizens and tax them.

This is about revenue, not human rights.

Um, most would be like most thais, below the taxation level.

[fondue zoo]

The right thing to do, and they do need the extra people down the road.

[Luuk Chaai]

??  I wonder ..  IF ..  they count the endless number of children associated with single moms ?

[bradiston]

3 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

For males the pathway is very restrictive, for females, married ti a Thai, much much easier

Your sources? The accounts I've read were from western males. I know 2 western women married to Thai men, both with several kids. I don't think they've considered applying for Thai nationality. It doesn't seem to be an issue. I was married to a Thai woman decades ago. I would never have matched the requirements to apply for Thai citizenship. I'm ok with being a perpetual foreigner. It doesn't impact on my happiness. She has UK citizenship now. She remarried after we divorced. She's lived in the UK for almost 30 years. She prefers it there to her home country, but that could change. Our daughter has dual nationality.

[itsari]

11 minutes ago, bradiston said:

There is a crowd of ignorant fools in this thread who are conflating stateless persons and refugees who have been living in Thailand for decades, mostly, and foreigners who choose to retire here at their leisure, and can pack up and leave any time they want. They have nothing in common with stateless people and refugees. And of course there are the usual numbskulls dragging in the UK, the NHS and "illegal" immigrants there.

Thailand does not officially recognise refugee status. 

Recently there has been an influx of displaced people from Myanmar that Thailand considers them irregular migrants under Thai law and may be detained.

Many western migrants are married raising children . Not so easy for them to pack up and leave and of course they can not be compared to the stateless people living in Thailand.

However they are contributing to the Thai economy with very little hope of becoming a Thai citizen.

 

[YaiJung]

One look at the comments on this website should be enough to keep the Thais from ever giving westerners citizenship.  I for one am glad my fellow countrymen are not allowed full rights here. 

[Aussie999]

3 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Your sources? The accounts I've read were from western males. I know 2 western women married to Thai men, both with several kids. I don't think they've considered applying for Thai nationality. It doesn't seem to be an issue. I was married to a Thai woman decades ago. I would never have matched the requirements to apply for Thai citizenship. I'm ok with being a perpetual foreigner. It doesn't impact on my happiness. She has UK citizenship now. She remarried after we divorced. She's lived in the UK for almost 30 years. She prefers it there to her home country, but that could change. Our daughter has dual nationality.

Um, try something very hard, google thai citzenship... do you know how to google.

[Aviatorhi]

1 hour ago, itsari said:

It is a country showing there discrimination towards western foreigners.

Mass deportation program of the above mentioned is always on the cards.

 

Nice IQ you got there - if it was a temperature it would fit will into my beer cooler.

[bradiston]

7 minutes ago, itsari said:

Thailand does not officially recognise refugee status. 

Recently there has been an influx of displaced people from Myanmar that Thailand considers them irregular migrants under Thai law and may be detained.

Many western migrants are married raising children . Not so easy for them to pack up and leave and of course they can not be compared to the stateless people living in Thailand.

However they are contributing to the Thai economy with very little hope of becoming a Thai citizen.

 

The recent influx of migrants from Myanmar are not the people this act refers to. The people in question have mostly been here for decades. Those foreigners with families and jobs can apply for Thai citizenship. But there are requirements, naturally.

[jwest10]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

To be honest this doesn't bother me one bit..

I don't want Thai citizenship, I'm happy staying as a Brit

Yes can see all angles but quite frankly most of us are ashamed to call ourselves British and they way all colours of Government "treat"  their own British-born and bred Citizens yes we have enough illegals and so-called Stateless refugees and many of us have wonderful Thai families to support.
However, like many other countries, the ones who contribute zilch get all the benefits.

Yes agreed we know we will never be Thai but we certainly look after our wonderful families and these Stateless people how much salary would they bring in and yes in many other countries get all the benefits going, Just saying!!!
 

[bradiston]

3 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

Yes can see all angles but quite frankly most of us are ashamed to call ourselves British and they way all colours of Government "treat"  their own British-born and bred Citizens yes we have enough illegals and so-called Stateless refugees and many of us have wonderful Thai families to support.
However, like many other countries, the ones who contribute zilch get all the benefits.

Yes agreed we know we will never be Thai but we certainly look after our wonderful families and these Stateless people how much salary would they bring in and yes in many other countries get all the benefits going, Just saying!!!
 

I'm a Brit. I'm not ashamed. I'm proud of it. I'm proud of my homeland. I'm proud of Europe. I'm proud of my multicultiral heritage. I love my country. I won't go back there though. I love Thailand also. Since the moment I first arrived 40 years ago. It felt strangely like home. I found the Thai language easy to understand. I'm in no way fluent nor anywhere near it. It's my only regret. I find Thais tolerant and easy to get along with. Thailand has changed immensely since the 80s. Back then it blew my tiny mind living in a Thai village, no phone, 1 TV in the village, very little electric, no running water, kwai for nocturnal company. It's all changed now, and I live alone in studio condo in Pratamnak. But I still love it. Please don't knock it.

[john donson]

4 hours ago, Aviatorhi said:

Look at that - a country doing something right instead of trying to start a mass deportation program.

 

it is not that you get benefits like FREE HOTEL, FREE TRAVEL, FREE FOOD, POCKET MONEY, FREE HEALTHCARE over here as illegal, compared to EUROPE and the now cry baby USA

[jwest10]

6 minutes ago, bradiston said:

I'm a Brit. I'm not ashamed. I'm proud of it. I'm proud of my homeland. I'm proud of Europe. I'm proud of my multicultiral heritage. I love my country. I won't go back there though. I love Thailand also. Since the moment I first arrived 40 years ago. It felt strangely like home. I found the Thai language easy to understand. I'm in no way fluent nor anywhere near it. It's my only regret. I find Thais tolerant and easy to get along with. Thailand has changed immensely since the 80s. Back then it blew my tiny mind living in a Thai village, no phone, 1 TV in the village, very little electric, no running water, kwai for nocturnal company. It's all changed now, and I live alone in studio condo in Pratamnak. But I still love it. Please don't knock it.

Far from knocking it ok 20 years here and just stating facts ok and have a wonderful Thai family ok

[bradiston]

8 minutes ago, john donson said:

 

it is not that you get benefits like FREE HOTEL, FREE TRAVEL, FREE FOOD, POCKET MONEY, FREE HEALTHCARE over here as illegal, compared to EUROPE and the now cry baby USA

Please, take this outside. I'll meet you on the beach, anytime, anywhere.

[Aviatorhi]

9 minutes ago, john donson said:

 

it is not that you get benefits like FREE HOTEL, FREE TRAVEL, FREE FOOD, POCKET MONEY, FREE HEALTHCARE over here as illegal, compared to EUROPE and the now cry baby USA

Bud, nobody cares what your kind thinks - the sooner you're off the earth the better. Now piss off snowflake.

[hotchilli]

50 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Um, most would be like most thais, below the taxation level.

The government have yet to find that out... most Thais pay foreigners minimum wages.

[Classic Ray]

I’m not interested in Thai citizenship but permanent residency without all the annual visa extension hoops to jump through would be nice.

 

But this would remove all the visa fees and agent kickbacks from the revenue stream, as well as removing the need for half the IOs so will never happen.

 

Making the stateless citizens will at least remove some of the Immigration workload, and possibly the queues.

[hotchilli]

25 minutes ago, jwest10 said:

Yes can see all angles but quite frankly most of us are ashamed to call ourselves British and they way all colours of Government "treat"  their own British-born and bred Citizens yes we have enough illegals and so-called Stateless refugees and many of us have wonderful Thai families to support.
However, like many other countries, the ones who contribute zilch get all the benefits.

Yes agreed we know we will never be Thai but we certainly look after our wonderful families and these Stateless people how much salary would they bring in and yes in many other countries get all the benefits going, Just saying!!!
 

My sentiments exactly

[StraightTalk]

1 minute ago, Classic Ray said:

I’m not interested in Thai citizenship

I’m not either. However, it would be great if the Thai government considered easing the requirements for those who have resided here continuously—say, for five years—are of advanced age, such as 65 and older, and hold an appropriate visa with a suitable extension. Adjusting the immigration requirements to renew every five years instead of annually, with residency notification once a year instead of every 90 days, would be a meaningful change.

[WDSmart]

This is disappointing. As a US citizen, I thought I might be able to use this if Trump were re-elected president.

[Cabradelmar]

Stateless is someone who is not recognized as a citizen by any country. Expats don't fit the definition. 

[connda]

Like I said, in the Thai government's opinion men married to Thai women for 15+ years can go to Hell. 

[mdr224]

3 minutes ago, connda said:

Like I said, in the Thai government's opinion men married to Thai women for 15+ years can go to Hell. 

You should see japan. Mixed children there are viewed as some sort of cancer, and thats not just government thats all of them

[sambum]

2 hours ago, bradiston said:

They do.

 

I have lived here for 20 years and have been married to a Thai wife for 6 of those, so do I qualify for citizenship, how do I apply, how much would it cost me, and would I then qualify for free medical care and be allowed to vote? Also how would it affect my pension from the UK as I would no longer be a British citizen?

[baansgr]

Thai citizenship is relatively easy for those that qualify. Don't moan if you don't qualify, and if you do you should have applied already

[baansgr]

8 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

I have lived here for 20 years and have been married to a Thai wife for 6 of those, so do I qualify for citizenship, how do I apply, how much would it cost me, and would I then qualify for free medical care and be allowed to vote? Also how would it affect my pension from the UK as I would no longer be a British citizen?

Of course you don't, have you contributed any tax or social security payments to the Thai system?

[baansgr]

21 minutes ago, connda said:

Like I said, in the Thai government's opinion men married to Thai women for 15+ years can go to Hell. 

They actually give men married to Thai women 5 years off the application process

[black tabby12345]

Expats & retirees excluded from Citizenship deal.

 

So what?

Any problems with that?

Nice to be here as an expat.

That is enough.

 

[gamb00ler]

faux pas

[Aussie999]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

The government have yet to find that out... most Thais pay foreigners minimum wages.

Minimum, if lucky, most Laos, Cambodian s etc are underpaid.