Abortion - the last electoral dance

[theblether]

First - I'm comfortable with UK abortion law. I'd prefer that contraception would just do the heavy lifting but if a woman wants to terminate; okay. 

 

Iowa six week limit seems to be causing a potential problem for the GOP. Women are angry. But the answer lies at state level and it's up to women, with male allies, to elect a legislature that will extend the limit. 

 

And that's why I suggest this is the last dance for abortion as a national issue. Many states now have laws in place which resonate with women. By 2028 more states will join that roster.

 

All politics are local. And if local laws suit you, you will walk off the battlefield. 

 

But is Iowa the canary in the coal mine for Trump? For many there will be a delicious irony in his "greatest achievement" of having three Supreme Court justices appointed blowing back with electoral defeat as women avenge Roe v Wade. 

[Jingthing]

If Trump wins, this will be the last dance for real elections -- PERIOD.

But you don't care.

[theblether]

I agree with this - American pro-choice  women will win at state level 

 

 

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7 hours ago, theblether said:

I agree with this - American pro-choice  women will win at state level 

 

 

False. Trump would have it in his power to restrict the use of mifepristone which is one of the 2 drugs used to chemically induce an abortion along with misoprostol It can be done with misoprostol alone but it's more effective when both are used. Of course, the FDA can also take steps to make it more difficult to acquire misoprostol.

In addition to which a Harris Presidency could result in the reversal of the Dobbs decision if conservative justices leave the court to be replaced by progressive ones.

 

[KhunLA]

If abortion is 'the issue' for someone, then Megan Kelly gives good advice ....

 

... USA is a democratic Republic 

 

Don't like the laws of life in you state or country, then MOVE.  It's easy, I did, so anyone can 😎

 

 

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1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

If abortion is 'the issue' for someone, then Megan Kelly gives good advice ....

 

... USA is a democratic Republic 

 

Don't like the laws of life in you state or country, then MOVE.  It's easy, I did, so anyone can 😎

 

 

Sure. Because everyone has millions and millions of dollars.

[Lacessit]

One of the great ironies of this kerfuffle is the fact Muslim laws on abortion are far more liberal than right-wing Christian nationalists.

 

A pregnancy can be terminated up to four months, when the fetus is considered to acquire a soul.

 

Perhaps that's a ridiculous belief, but IMO no more addle-pated than the concept male clerics, politicians and lawmakers have any right to tell women what to do with their bodies.

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

One of the great ironies of this kerfuffle is the fact Muslim laws on abortion are far more liberal than right-wing Christian nationalists.

 

A pregnancy can be terminated up to four months, when the fetus is considered to acquire a soul.

 

Perhaps that's a ridiculous belief, but IMO no more addle-pated than the concept male clerics, politicians and lawmakers have any right to tell women what to do with their bodies.

More liberal or more brutal ?  Not much of a surprise, as they seem to have no value or respect for life.  

 

Not sure what Muslim / Sharia law has to do with USA politics and state laws.  

 

Edit: seems most (allowing abortions) do allow abortions in 3rd trimester.  That's quite the surprise.  May be restricted for health reasons, as didn't read the particulars, since I don't care.

 

Kind of makes you wonder what people are crying about.  With few state exceptions, you can kill your baby in most states up to about 20 week or 4 or 5 months.  Not much of a political issue, with or without Roe vs Wade.

 

... DISTRACTION ...

 

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49 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

More liberal or more brutal ?  Not much of a surprise, as they seem to have no value or respect for life.  

 

Not sure what Muslim / Sharia law has to do with USA politics and state laws.  

 

Edit: seems most (allowing abortions) do allow abortions in 3rd trimester.  That's quite the surprise.  May be restricted for health reasons, as didn't read the particulars, since I don't care.

 

Kind of makes you wonder what people are crying about.  With few state exceptions, you can kill your baby in most states up to about 20 week or 4 or 5 months.  Not much of a political issue, with or without Roe vs Wade.

 

... DISTRACTION ...

 

Thanks for not sharing a link to what you posted. That lack should greatly bolster everyone's confidence in it.

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for not sharing a link to what you posted. That lack should greatly bolster everyone's confidence in it.

I guess I give people a bit more credit than you do.  Is it really that hard to Google ... "us state law abortion allowed 3rd trimester"

 

I think the screenshot gives more info than needed.  Unless of course you think I actually created the screenshot, typed all that on a black background.   Is that what you're really implying ... no source, must be fake 

 

You guys are a crack up ... source or link.

 

Instead of just admitting, Muslim / Sharia Law isn't more liberal than some, most states, possibly.

 

I guess I should have asked for a link or source for that post 

 

.... AH ... FAKE NEWS ... 

[riclag]

4 hours ago, KhunLA said:

If abortion is 'the issue' for someone, then Megan Kelly gives good advice ....

 

... USA is a democratic Republic 

 

Don't like the laws of life in you state or country, then MOVE.  It's easy, I did, so anyone can 😎

 

 

Its one of the reasons I moved here!

Cost !

My pension , old age social security and savings go a long way as opposed to living in the States.

Before we built a house , i was paying 3000 bht pm for a apt in Sakon.

 

[KhunLA]

28 minutes ago, riclag said:

Its one of the reasons I moved here!

Cost !

My pension , old age social security and savings go a long way as opposed to living in the States.

Before we built a house , i was paying 3000 bht pm for a apt in Sakon.

 

Yea, I was paying shy of $4k a year in RE Taxes for a house I already owned, and 25+ yrs ago.  Most of, school taxes for 20 years, and I never had kids   I guess that paid for my free public school education.

 

That alone, US RE taxes (฿10k a month), is half my comfy living expense budget here now.  If not all bought in, that ฿10k a month would pay for a nice rental, out of a metro area.   ฿15k and can have a 3 bdrm townhouse surfside here, or there was one for rent a while back, but didn't take dogs.

 

BEVs are way more expensive in US, and my solar system, would cost 3X what it cost here.  Our house would have cost at least 5X as much in the US, since only 4 kms from the surf.   That sh!t starts to add up fast.  Buddha forbid if you need to see a doc or have health issues.

 

On topic ... though not entirely endorsed, but abortions are accessible & inexpensive in TH, or so I'm told.

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1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

I guess I give people a bit more credit than you do.  Is it really that hard to Google ... "us state law abortion allowed 3rd trimester"

 

I think the screenshot gives more info than needed.  Unless of course you think I actually created the screenshot, typed all that on a black background.   Is that what you're really implying ... no source, must be fake 

 

You guys are a crack up ... source or link.

 

Instead of just admitting, Muslim / Sharia Law isn't more liberal than some, most states, possibly.

 

I guess I should have asked for a link or source for that post 

 

.... AH ... FAKE NEWS ... 

I don't think you created it, But how do we know how up to date it is? For all we know it could be 10 years old.

There's a reason the rules require us to include links. It's about the quality of evidence. Although, I don't think that's much of a consideration for you.

And I could care less about the Sharia Law aspect of it.

[KhunLA]

49 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I don't think you created it, But how do we know how up to date it is? For all we know it could be 10 years old.

There's a reason the rules require us to include links. It's about the quality of evidence. Although, I don't think that's much of a consideration for you.

And I could care less about the Sharia Law aspect of it.

I usually do link things, especially if a subject that interests me, as if not, the snowflakes, or person losing the argument, will have it deleted.

 

Or I'll do a screenshot, with the url in it, and my usual with screenshot use.  That was AI generated info, and first time I ever did a screenshot of that, I think.  Just peeked, and actually no link available, although the 'info' had a bunch of links verifying what was stated, I guess.

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18 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I usually do link things, especially if a subject that interests me, as if not, the snowflakes, or person losing the argument, will have it deleted.

 

Another self-proclaimed winner.

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35 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I usually do link things, especially if a subject that interests me, as if not, the snowflakes, or person losing the argument, will have it deleted.

 

Or I'll do a screenshot, with the url in it, and my usual with screenshot use.  That was AI generated info, and first time I ever did a screenshot of that, I think.  Just peeked, and actually no link available, although the 'info' had a bunch of links verifying what was stated, I guess.

Now that you've taken your victory lap, maybe you should ask AI about women who were denied abortions when their fetus miscarried due to the imprecise language of those laws and the reluctance of doctors to risk fines and imprisonment.

A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban

Exclusive analysis finds the rate of maternal deaths in Texas increased 56% from 2019 to 2022, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same time period.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/texas-abortion-ban-deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631

 

But, it's understandable why doctors are reluctant:

When pregnancy becomes an emergency

In the 13 U.S. states that ban abortion and in the others that severely restrict it, such cases unfold amid physicians’ fear of punishment and confusion over exemptions like those to save a patient’s life. In Texas, for example, a doctor deemed to have performed an illegal abortion faces up to 99 years in prison.

“ED staff sometimes are afraid to perform any sort of procedure, such as those for miscarriage management, that could be interpreted as ending a pregnancy, even though these are not elective abortions,” says Atsuko Koyama, MD, an emergency medicine (EM) physician in Arizona.

https://www.aamc.org/news/emergency-doctors-grapple-abortion-bans

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Now that you've taken your victory lap, maybe you should ask AI about women who were denied abortions when their fetus miscarried due to the imprecise language of those laws and the reluctance of doctors to risk fines and imprisonment.

A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban

Exclusive analysis finds the rate of maternal deaths in Texas increased 56% from 2019 to 2022, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same time period.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/texas-abortion-ban-deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631

 

But, it's understandable why doctors are reluctant:

When pregnancy becomes an emergency

In the 13 U.S. states that ban abortion and in the others that severely restrict it, such cases unfold amid physicians’ fear of punishment and confusion over exemptions like those to save a patient’s life. In Texas, for example, a doctor deemed to have performed an illegal abortion faces up to 99 years in prison.

“ED staff sometimes are afraid to perform any sort of procedure, such as those for miscarriage management, that could be interpreted as ending a pregnancy, even though these are not elective abortions,” says Atsuko Koyama, MD, an emergency medicine (EM) physician in Arizona.

https://www.aamc.org/news/emergency-doctors-grapple-abortion-bans

Irrelevant to your post, but I really don't trust AI for info.  If a topic I cared about, I'd research and post more.

 

Only posted to counter the BS that I quoted, and possibly learned something in the process.  Abortions seem to be readily available, which I knew, as Roe vs Wade's reversal, really didn't change much, except for a minority of states.   I didn't know about their availability in late stages of pregnancy.  

 

Which I'm guessing those who only watch MSM, probably think abortions are banned in most states 🙄

 

The ignorance of the voters is truly staggering.  Abortion as an issue, is simply a DISTRACTION, IMHO

[SingAPorn]

7 hours ago, KhunLA said:

If abortion is 'the issue' for someone, then Megan Kelly gives good advice ....

 

... USA is a democratic Republic 

 

Don't like the laws of life in you state or country, then MOVE.  It's easy, I did, so anyone can 😎

 

 

Man she is one hell of a hottie...and has a nice pair of eyes.

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9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Irrelevant to your post, but I really don't trust AI for info.  If a topic I cared about, I'd research and post more.

 

Only posted to counter the BS that I quoted, and possibly learned something in the process.  Abortions seem to be readily available, which I knew, as Roe vs Wade's reversal, really didn't change much, except for a minority of states.   I didn't know about their availability in late stages of pregnancy.  

 

Which I'm guessing those who only watch MSM, probably think abortions are banned in most states 🙄

 

The ignorance of the voters is truly staggering.  Abortion as an issue, is simply a DISTRACTION, IMHO

Thanks for guessing about what those who watch MSM think.

If you ever tire of guessing or supposing, here's a link to a fact-based source:

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-abortion-bans#:~:text=shortly after birth.-,Highlights,bans based on gestational duration.

 

[KhunLA]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for guessing about what those who watch MSM think.

If you ever tire of guessing or supposing, here's a link to a fact-based source:

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-abortion-bans#:~:text=shortly after birth.-,Highlights,bans based on gestational duration.

 

Didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, or post earlier about.  Most states allow abortions, and some, even up to 20 months or more.  How anyone can justify killing a baby at that term, is mind boggling, and murder in my mind.  Unless circumstances dictate, of course.

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30 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, or post earlier about.  Most states allow abortions, and some, even up to 20 months or more.  How anyone can justify killing a baby at that term, is mind boggling, and murder in my mind.  Unless circumstances dictate, of course.

The 'killing" as you call it, can be allowed  even in the third trimester if  either the life or the health of the mother is in danger or the fetus isn't viable. At least in theory. But when you have states threatening doctors with fines and imprisonment if it disagrees with their judgement, claiming simply  that they allow abortions is either a function of ones ignorance or dishonesty.

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47 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, or post earlier about.  Most states allow abortions, and some, even up to 20 months or more.  How anyone can justify killing a baby at that term, is mind boggling, and murder in my mind.  Unless circumstances dictate, of course.

Apparently, the sharp rise in the death rate of pregnant women in Texas after it enacted harsh abortions laws didn't tell you anything either.

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, riclag said:

Its one of the reasons I moved here!

Cost !

My pension , old age social security and savings go a long way as opposed to living in the States.

Before we built a house , i was paying 3000 bht pm for a apt in Sakon.

 

If Trump is elected, Elon may cut your Social Security, and you will like it.

[Danderman123]

58 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, or post earlier about.  Most states allow abortions, and some, even up to 20 months or more.  How anyone can justify killing a baby at that term, is mind boggling, and murder in my mind.  Unless circumstances dictate, of course.

In the case of late abortions, it's because the mother's life is in danger and/or the baby isn't viable.

 

But there are states that require that the mother die in those circumstances, and many have.

 

Which seems to be the way you want it to be.

[G_Money]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

If Trump is elected, Elon may cut your Social Security, and you will like it.

Was this in project 2025?

 

If not,  you can personally type up a revised copy.

[Peabody]

18 hours ago, theblether said:

Many states now have laws in place which resonate with women.

This has zero resonance with the people who view women's bodily autonomy as a basic human right.

Should states be allowed to set their own agendas on human rights? Free speech? Interacial marriage? The right to own a home?

[Peabody]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Most states allow abortions,

You nailed the problem right there.

[Peabody]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

How anyone can justify killing a baby at that term

An embryo is not considered a baby until birth and no states allow murder.

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, Peabody said:

You nailed the problem right there.

I didn't make the post you quoted.

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, Peabody said:

An embryo is not considered a baby until birth and no states allow murder.

I didn't make the post you quoted.