Visa on Arrival refused - what is the best way to re-enter Thailand?

[ChaiyaTH]

CM used to be the easier but I noticed on my last arrival a lot people were being hassled and that the ''all ladies employment'' is also active there. Those catching the few queues with a guy were always processed without issues and much faster too.

 

Have to say this is the first time ever I heard of someone being refused and send back there. Not surprised at all, CM is going down hill day by day more. Try to even fly from there except Bangkok, it's 4-5K up anywhere.

Edited Tuesday at 04:15 PM by ChaiyaTH

[ukrules]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:07 AM, Cameroni said:

That's what I thought, but they were like jackal circling me in a pack. All with only one goal in mind, refuse entry. One guy even screamed at me in an agitated way. 

 

Escorted in a cell like a criminal flanked by armed security. Quite surreal. I was held from 9 am to 14.30 and not given food or water. 

 

Yes, what you saw here is a rare glimpse of what they really think - they let the mask fall, only momentarily but this is the truth all the same.

They hate us.

[cdnvic]

Removed off topic posts and one commenting on moderation. As always, complaints, suggestions and enthusiastic praise about moderation can be forwarded to suppot-at-aseannow.com

 

Please refrain from public debate on it.

[Pattaya57]

22 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Yes, what you saw here is a rare glimpse of what they really think - they let the mask fall, only momentarily but this is the truth all the same.

They hate us.

No, immigration did their job like they do in every country and found someone using tourist entries when they have actually lived in Thailand for a long time. 

[Dan O]

On 11/17/2024 at 9:23 PM, Cameroni said:

I arrived in March 2023 and after the initial visa waiver got an ED visa for one year. I was going to renew it but since Thailand changed the rules on visa waivers I decided to use these as long as possible. I did two visa waiver runs to Laos and flew to Germany once and again got a visa waiver. As the extension expired on the 15th I flew to Malaysia for 2 days. But after arrival in Chiang Mai a young lady from immigration called her boss over. As I'd stayed in Thailand 1 year and 7 months they said I'm not a tourist so he's refusing the visa waiver. Bizarrely he said I should fly back to Malaysia and apply for a tourist visa. I refused to sign the expulsion order but of course it made no difference. 

 

What is my best option here, apply for a tourist visa, go back in and then apply for the DTV? Can an EU national apply for a tourist visa in Malaysia? And if I get it could Chiang Mai immigration then not make the same argument that due to living there 19 months I'm not real tourist and deny entry despite a valid tourist visa? 

Yes you can still be denied by Imm at arrival depending on how quickly you come back even with a visa. A Visa is not a guarantee of admittance only authorization to travel to Thailand. As has been mention they are on to the fact you are not a tourist so pick your visa wisely 

[freedomnow]

Wow CNX was always seen as the sure thing for "perpetual gaming exempt and paid visa touristas".

[raz0r21]

OP until you get your things in order, there are many "safe entry" services available at all the big airports in Thailand - for a fee of course. A quick search in this forum will give you the results you need.  

[Caldera]

10 hours ago, freedomnow said:

Wow CNX was always seen as the sure thing for "perpetual gaming exempt and paid visa touristas".

 

I've noticed that agents that offer the "safe entry" service at airports have added CNX to their list. Now, would anyone pay for this if they continued to fail to hassle people? Therein might lie the answer...

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 11/18/2024 at 10:20 AM, DrJack54 said:

The DTV is all the rage and seems attractive. 

It does have requirements.

 

Jack, what's the logistics these days of a DTV application:

 

Specifically:

 

--do you have to be physically present in your home country in order to apply, or can apply from anywhere outside Thailand where there's a participating Thai consulate?

 

--Once issued, does it involve the issuing consulate physically stamping one's passport (meaning you have to physically give them your passport), or it's all digital and you get some visa document via email or similar?

 

TIA

 

[DrJack54]

14 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

do you have to be physically present in your home country in order to apply, or can apply from anywhere outside Thailand where there's a participating Thai consulate?

You can apply outside of Thailand at some Thai consulates/embassies.

I posted in another thread of chat with young UK guy who obtained for DTV eVisa while in UK 

Took only 3 days (amazing) 

Easy for him as he actually does have a UK employer and his work is entirely online..

 

Have seen reports of obtaining at Vientiane.

Agents in Thailand are offering packages (expensive) to assist with obtaining DTV mainly at Savannakhet.

Those include the whole deal. Transport, hotel etc. Takes about 5 days. 

 

[BrandonJT]

7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

--do you have to be physically present in your home country in order to apply, or can apply from anywhere outside Thailand where there's a participating Thai consulate?

 

--Once issued, does it involve the issuing consulate physically stamping one's passport (meaning you have to physically give them your passport), or it's all digital and you get some visa document via email or similar?

 

The embassies in SE Asia allow non-residents to apply. Many others do, but some don't. And even more confusingly some that specifically say they don't, like Tapei, allow non-residents to apply for the DTV there.

 

How you receive your DTV depends on where you are applying.  If you are applying at a Thai embassy that has not adopted e-visa, you will be giving them your passport with your application and your visa will be inside the passport.

If you apply at a Thai embassy that has adopted e-visa, it will all be done online and you will receive your visa as a PDF document e-mailed to you.

[Rob Browder]

On 11/19/2024 at 8:24 PM, Pattaya57 said:

Every thread you post the same "immigration is corrupt" rubbish that has nothing to do with the thread topic. 

 

OP admits that he's been living in Thailand continuously for a long time so not surprising he got told he's not a tourist eligible for visa exempt. He's 53, get a non-imm O like most other 50+ people that live in Thailand

No where in Immigration law is there a reason to deny-entry for staying in Thailand "too much." 

I would also recommend he get a Non-O, but he can use the service I linked above to stay in Thailand indefinitely on Visa-Exempts, to Immigration's delight.  That service availability and "how immigration really works" vs actual laws is 100% on-topic.

[Rob Browder]

On 11/19/2024 at 8:39 PM, DrJack54 said:

As per usual taking a post out of context and revert to Mel Gibson conspiracy theory.

The OP has good alternative that being non O retirement+ extensions.

 

As usual, pretending the obvious answer is "a conspiracy theory" - implying immigration don't take payoffs via agents (why do such services exist?) - and that payoff money would not motivate their actions. 

 

I agree that, as an over-50, he could live easier by just paying 12.5K Baht to an agent (25K if on a tourist-entry) and be done with it, but if he wants to pay "by the entry" for some reason, that is do-able, also.

[DrJack54]

14 minutes ago, Rob Browder said:

I agree that, as an over-50, he could live easier by just paying 12.5K Baht to an agent (25K if on a tourist-entry) and be done with it, but if he wants to pay "by the entry" for some reason, that is do-able, also.

Yes I posted days ago .,.

"If DVD difficult for the OP then a non O with ongoing extensions is an option.

If insufficient funds then use an agent" 

 

A non O with or without agent good option..

[GypsyT]

1 hour ago, Rob Browder said:

I agree that, as an over-50, he could live easier by just paying 12.5K Baht to an agent (25K if on a tourist-entry) and be done with it, but if he wants to pay "by the entry" for some reason, that is do-able, also.

 

NEW BIG sign at 30-day counter: "NO DONATIONS ACCEPTED"

- What is this country coming to....

 

PS. Walked by today 2pm. The place was buzzing. Long lines.

 

 

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, GypsyT said:

NEW BIG sign at 30-day counter: "NO DONATIONS ACCEPTED"

- What is this country coming to....

 

PS. Walked by today 2pm. The place was buzzing. Long lines.

Post advising OP in what way.

The thread has clear advice for options. 

OP @Cameroni despite being in forum recently has not contributed to own thread

[freedomnow]

On 11/20/2024 at 5:41 AM, Caldera said:

 

I've noticed that agents that offer the "safe entry" service at airports have added CNX to their list. Now, would anyone pay for this if they continued to fail to hassle people? Therein might lie the answer...

Haha, is there such a service..what does that cost !?

[BrandonJT]

3 hours ago, freedomnow said:

Haha, is there such a service..what does that cost !?

Depends on your history in Thailand, the longer and more sketchy, the higher the price.  I think it starts around 1500-2000?  After that the sky is the limit until the agent tells you they can't help you.