Canada is Petrified

[blaze master]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Can you pick the next winning lottery numbers, and PM me?

 

No stop being naive. 

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

 

No stop being naive. 

I am deferring to your superior powers of prediction.

[blaze master]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

I am deferring to your superior powers of prediction.

 

Stop it you sound a little weird. 

 

[Lacessit]

9 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Stop it you sound a little weird. 

 

Sorry, I forgot Trump supporters can't understand sarcasm.

[uncletiger]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I did correct my post, 42% of cars in Canada are American - made.

 

Which does make me wonder what Trump would do for the auto industry if Canada slapped tit-for-tat tariffs on American cars, given the UAW endorsed the Biden/Harris ticket.

 

it's an interesting area for speculation.

 

The American auto industry is in crisis right now. I suspect what is planned is very high tariffs on imported cars, removal of all the nonsensical EV mandates that have bankrupted auto dealers, and a renewed concentration on producing American made cars for Americans. There is a massive, pent up demand for inexpensive cars and trucks that aren't outlawed due to arcane and destructive EPA fuel efficiency laws. It's absurd you have to make a truck weigh a minimum of 6000lbs. in the US just due to punitive environmental regulations in categories below that. My sister is appalled that my Ford Ranger here is rated for the same 1 ton carrying capacity that her huge F350 is in the USA. But you can't sell Ford Rangers rated for 1ton in the USA due to fuel economy regulations. The first American company that makes a clone of the Toyota Champ for the US market is going to make billions. Americans will be camping out overnight to have the chance to buy one.

 

I am guessing that with reforms by DOGE there is going to be such a significant rebuilding of the US auto industry selling American made cars to American consumers that the UAW members will be Trump's biggest fans. They may not have the capacity to continue exporting to Canada even if the Canadians want them.

[blaze master]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Sorry, I forgot Trump supporters can't understand sarcasm.

 

Why do you feel the need to constantly try to tell people how smart you are and how dumb they are. Considering how wrong you were about certain things maybe give it a second thought.

 

 

 

 

[kwonitoy]

As an Albertan where most of this oil and gas comes from, I'm not too concerned at all

 

Crude oil imports from Canada reached a record after pipeline expansion. U.S. imports of crude oil from Canada reached a record of 4.3 million barrels per day (b/d) in July 2024 following the expansion of Canada's Trans Mountain pipeline.Oct 30, 2024

[Patong2021]

10 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Be patriotic and simply 'buy USA' .. then no issue with any tariffs 

That is what people want, and why they voted the way they did  

Those against tariffs would be the folks buying imported goods, not caring about the America worker, production, jobs, stronger, more independent USA.

 

 

You obviously do not understand the US consumer. They want the cheap price. There is a reason why retailers like DollarTree and Walmart are popular. The majority of consumers put low cost over quality.

 

10 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

As a "born in Ontariariarioooo" guy, I have to say that I am petrified. Petrified that Trudeau will stuff things up with his empty leftist rhetoric and knee-jerk platitudes. He has had 9 years in power and managed to nearly impoverish the country. IF Canada were the 51st state, it would rank 50th in per capita GDP, just edging out Mississippi in the race to the bottom. So I actually think Trump woudn't want us.

 

It's nice that you want to use GDP per capita as an economic indicator, but you have intentionally left out a key factor:  The need for the income to be higher in the USA and the gap between the haves and the have nots. The cost of healthcare and of  basic necessities like home and auto insurance is much higher in the USA than in Canada.

Individual  GDP has to be higher in the USA because the total costs of living are higher.  Canadians benefit from a public health insurance option and have access to better social benefit options.  In the USA, wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few. In Canada, wealth is  more equitably distributed.  In plain language, the use of a per capita  value is misleading because the wealth in the USA is not held by many individuals and is  instead, held by a small number off people.

 

A more accurate data point is the national GDP.  The United States has the largest economy globally and Canada ranks 9th at US$2.015 trillion.   Only the State of California has a larger GDP than Canada. Texas used to, but  2024 is expected to see Canada  pass Texas based upon the strength of the  Canadian oil sector.

 

And for all the criticism of Trudeau, the Liberal government  managed the last  Trump tantrum and threat campaign very effectively. It was a national effort. All the provinces, the business community and the major political parties were all on the same team. It was a pan canadian effort. This time around, Pierre the Conservative party leader doesn't seem too interested in a Team Canada effort, and he is getting criticized  for it too.

 

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

4 hours ago, bunnydrops said:

And where does your patriotic self buy?

 

Now there's a good question.

As a born and bred USA American (now living in Thailand), I buy from China.

 

Ontario as a trading partner?

Hah!

 

I don't need a canoe or any fishing gear, but if I did I wouldn't order from Canada, even if I lived right on the other side of Lake Ontario.

I would buy direct from the factory, in China, via TikTok or AliExpress.

Talk about a major trading partner!

 

Many, many years ago -- when I retired, and before coming to live in Thailand -- I went to Western Canada (not Ontario) to look it over as a possible retirement location.

Canada was already in bad shape then -- beautiful scenery, yes, but leftist attitudes and Cultural Marxism polluting the air.

I can only imagine how much worse it is today.

Canada "Petrified" ??  -- wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

 

[blaze master]

1 hour ago, Old Curmudgeon said:

 

Now there's a good question.

As a born and bred USA American (now living in Thailand), I buy from China.

 

Ontario as a trading partner?

Hah!

 

I don't need a canoe or any fishing gear, but if I did I wouldn't order from Canada, even if I lived right on the other side of Lake Ontario.

I would buy direct from the factory, in China, via TikTok or AliExpress.

Talk about a major trading partner!

 

Many, many years ago -- when I retired, and before coming to live in Thailand -- I went to Western Canada (not Ontario) to look it over as a possible retirement location.

Canada was already in bad shape then -- beautiful scenery, yes, but leftist attitudes and Cultural Marxism polluting the air.

I can only imagine how much worse it is today.

Canada "Petrified" ??  -- wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

 

 

A born and bred USA American. So not just an American. Got.it. 

 

You obviously skipped over the trade numbers while you were out fishing and canoeing upstream with no paddle. 

[wombat]

Like the Queensland Premier Joh Bjelke Peterson (RIP) ,

Trump throws his chooks (reporters) corn (information) and watches them peck around the ground as the squable.

Trump and Joh ....masters in manipulation 

[Mark989]

12 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

They wont be implemented because the Canadian and Mexican leaders will wind their necks in and do what Trump tells them to.

Mexico already did, after the predictable bluster🤣

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/activists-mexican-authorities-broken-2-migrant-caravans-heading-116340685

 

Trudeau will fold like an origami swan and close the border like DJT told him to. How embarrassing to be so weak and spineless

 

BS

Mexico has been intervening and breaking up most caravans since the Biden administration and it negotiated a workable strategy. Either you are uninformed or spreading misinformation. That  you are an avid Fox fan both apply.

..."

MEXICO CITY, Nov 8 (Reuters) - Mexico will continue pursuing measures to stop migrants from reaching its northern border with the United States, its top diplomat said on Friday, days after Donald Trump won the U.S. presidential election vowing a new crackdown on illegal immigration.

Foreign Minister Juan Ramon de la Fuente stressed that Mexico's model is working and will stay in place, pointing to data that shows the number of migrants caught by U.S. authorities at the border had fallen 76% since last December.

 

"It's working well and we're going to continue on this path," he told a press conference."...so much for the open border lies. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexico-stick-with-policies-aimed-stopping-migrants-after-trump-win-2024-11-08/

 

"Mexico already did, after the predictable bluster" False. 

'Mexico leader responds to Trump claim she agreed to stop migration' 28 November 2024, by Will Grant and Vanessa Buschschlüter, BBC News, Mexico City and London'

..."

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum has sought to clarify details of a conversation she had with US President-elect Donald Trump, after the two leaders offered differing accounts of the call.

Following Wednesday's call, Trump said Sheinbaum had "agreed to stop Migration through Mexico, and into the United States, effectively closing our Southern Border".

This prompted Mexican President Sheinbaum to say she had merely reiterated Mexico's position, which she said was "not to close borders but to build bridges between governments and people".  America's con-man felon the president-elect has been embarrassed publicly again. Not that he or his supporters are embarrassed since he is a sociopath and his supporters amoral. 

My money is on Canada and Mexico. Thrump's word is as strong as his fraudulent bone-spurs he used to avoid the draft during the Vietnam War. The man wasn't even willing to peel potatoes.

[thesetat]

9 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Some of the best things I have are made in CN, and TH.   Actually most things.  Laptop from Korea, but about the only thing I can think of, off the top of my head.

I have yet to buy anything I can say is good quality from China. Not in 30 years... Cheaper yes. But not good quality that lasts.. The US needs to start making their own goods again of quality that they used to. Not being dependent on imported goods of lesser quality. People do not mind paying more if something is of value and the quality is worth making the purchase. 

The problem is and always has been that because 3rd world labor is cheap and manufacturing is cheap making it available for even the poor to buy. Those are the ones who will suffer when tariffs are given. Perhaps, if there are new opportunities for Americans to make their own quality goods again then the prices will be reduced and people around the world will begin to want American products again. But i do not see that happening for a long time. Instead prices may increase for the cheaper quality goods rather than people taking the opportunity to make their own high quality goods. Made in America no longer means good quality. Although, I think if something is made in America even with imported goods the quality is better than buying in Asia. 

Perhaps some of you do not know but what is sold in China to the Chinese is not the same quality as what is shipped out to other countries. 

[Srikcir]

15 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

So I actually think Trump woudn't want us.

I agree with your GDP analysis but that's thinking like an economist which Trump is not (remember Trump's "Drill baby, drill?). Trump thinks in terms of personal wealth and how he can become wealthier.

Why did Trump want to buy Iceland? It had nothing to do with GDP.

It's about gaining personal control of Canadian resources in the same manner as one sees with Russian oligarchs. Putin wasn't thinking of increasing Russia's GDP when he captured Ukraine's offshore oil&gas platforms during his invasion of Ukraine.

Canada ranks fourth of countries by value of its natural resources (including coal, timber, natural gas, uranium, precious metals such as gold). It has the world's third largest oil deposits and ranks fourth in terms of natural resource value following Russia, US and Saudi Arabia.

[Lacessit]

8 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Why do you feel the need to constantly try to tell people how smart you are and how dumb they are. Considering how wrong you were about certain things maybe give it a second thought.

 

 

 

 

I do realize there are people out there who are smarter than me,

 

You are not one of them.

[Cryingdick]

Reminds me of the scene in Tombstone when Wyatt goes into the casino and informs the moron at the table he is sitting in his seat. Is Governor Trudeau going to do something or stand there and bleed? 

[The Old Bull]

He can't impose any tariffs till he is in the Whitehouse. What he is doing is testing the waters to see the amount of blowback from his own people. For example pasta makers like Canadian wheat, if they have to pay 25% more by the time it gets to the customers it will bee higher and they will be pissed off. How many oil companies in Canada have extensive US capital, another problem. The auto industry another can of worms best left unopened.

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, The Old Bull said:

He can't impose any tariffs till he is in the Whitehouse. What he is doing is testing the waters to see the amount of blowback from his own people. For example pasta makers like Canadian wheat, if they have to pay 25% more by the time it gets to the customers it will bee higher and they will be pissed off. How many oil companies in Canada have extensive US capital, another problem. The auto industry another can of worms best left unopened.

The last time Trump slapped tariffs on China, it retaliated by importing food from other countries, and freezing out American farmers. It took massive subsidies to placate them for the lost business, and wiped out any gains the tariffs had made.

[Cryingdick]

8 minutes ago, The Old Bull said:

He can't impose any tariffs till he is in the Whitehouse. What he is doing is testing the waters to see the amount of blowback from his own people. For example pasta makers like Canadian wheat, if they have to pay 25% more by the time it gets to the customers it will bee higher and they will be pissed off. How many oil companies in Canada have extensive US capital, another problem. The auto industry another can of worms best left unopened.

 

I stocked up on oakum, pemmican, maple syrup, and mukluks. I think i will be okay.

[NedR69]

For all the Trump haters from crap-hole countries currently receiving US Foreign Aid...soon, very soon!  

[Chosenfew]

18 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Be patriotic and simply 'buy USA' .. then no issue with any tariffs 

 

That is what people want, and why they voted the way they did  

 

Those against tariffs would be the folks buying imported goods, not caring about the America worker, production, jobs, stronger, more independent USA.

[Hanaguma]

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

 

You obviously do not understand the US consumer. They want the cheap price. There is a reason why retailers like DollarTree and Walmart are popular. The majority of consumers put low cost over quality.

 

 

It's nice that you want to use GDP per capita as an economic indicator, but you have intentionally left out a key factor:  The need for the income to be higher in the USA and the gap between the haves and the have nots. The cost of healthcare and of  basic necessities like home and auto insurance is much higher in the USA than in Canada.

Individual  GDP has to be higher in the USA because the total costs of living are higher.  Canadians benefit from a public health insurance option and have access to better social benefit options.  In the USA, wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few. In Canada, wealth is  more equitably distributed.  In plain language, the use of a per capita  value is misleading because the wealth in the USA is not held by many individuals and is  instead, held by a small number off people.

 

A more accurate data point is the national GDP.  The United States has the largest economy globally and Canada ranks 9th at US$2.015 trillion.   Only the State of California has a larger GDP than Canada. Texas used to, but  2024 is expected to see Canada  pass Texas based upon the strength of the  Canadian oil sector.

 

And for all the criticism of Trudeau, the Liberal government  managed the last  Trump tantrum and threat campaign very effectively. It was a national effort. All the provinces, the business community and the major political parties were all on the same team. It was a pan canadian effort. This time around, Pierre the Conservative party leader doesn't seem too interested in a Team Canada effort, and he is getting criticized  for it too.

 

 

I take it you have never had the "pleasure" of living with Canada's health care system. A lot of people think that Canada does not have private health care, but that is untrue. We DO have private health care. It's called "the United States".  Given the wait times for even the most basic diagnostic procedures in Canada, it is often a better option to scoot across the border, pay the cost, and get things done.  Wait times, lack of primary care physicians....... no thank you.

 

As for the overall cost of living, the US is higher, that is true. According to Numbeo, the US cost is 70, and Canada 64. So we can modify the GDP figures to reflect this- add 10% to Canada. It would push Canada all the way up to 44th, somewhere around the Kentucky or Oklahoma level.

[Hanaguma]

21 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I stocked up on oakum, pemmican, maple syrup, and mukluks. I think i will be okay.

You forgot the toques and hockey sticks!!  Gonna be a long, cold winter...

[Yagoda]

20 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I stocked up on oakum, pemmican, maple syrup, and mukluks. I think i will be okay.

Fox News is surely reaping Canadian tax dollars, just saw the "Please dont Tariff us" commercial again. A different one. 

 

 

[SiSePuede419]

21 hours ago, Yagoda said:

And I, like millions of other Trump voters watching were saying, no problem hosers, just do what you are told.

So your BOY won, but you're still angry, bitter and dumb?

 

What on earth does it take to make you Divs happy?

 

All your imaginary enemies in an oven? 😂

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, SiSePuede419 said:

So your BOY won, but you're still angry, bitter and dumb?

 

What on earth does it take to make you Divs happy?

 

All your imaginary enemies in an oven? 😂

The oven is a Socialist technique to achieve the racial volksgemeinschaft. They also used bullets, as did their fellows, the Bolsheviks.

 

Bitter? Angry? LOL, although I admit to Schadenfreude. The chickens always come home to roost.

[Skeptic7]

19 hours ago, CANSIAM said:

Greg Gutfeld the Goof............😉

Yes...the complete idiot's idiot. 

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, thesetat said:

I have yet to buy anything I can say is good quality from China. Not in 30 years... Cheaper yes. But not good quality that lasts.. The US needs to start making their own goods again of quality that they used to. Not being dependent on imported goods of lesser quality. People do not mind paying more if something is of value and the quality is worth making the purchase. 

The problem is and always has been that because 3rd world labor is cheap and manufacturing is cheap making it available for even the poor to buy. Those are the ones who will suffer when tariffs are given. Perhaps, if there are new opportunities for Americans to make their own quality goods again then the prices will be reduced and people around the world will begin to want American products again. But i do not see that happening for a long time. Instead prices may increase for the cheaper quality goods rather than people taking the opportunity to make their own high quality goods. Made in America no longer means good quality. Although, I think if something is made in America even with imported goods the quality is better than buying in Asia. 

Perhaps some of you do not know but what is sold in China to the Chinese is not the same quality as what is shipped out to other countries. 

Either I'm very lucky, or just a better shopper. Not sure.  I usually don't buy the cheapest version, though do seem to find the best price for same items.  Need to be careful, as plenty of fakes out there.

 

Why I only buy from flagship stores on LAZ.  May cost 20-100% more, but that tells you they aren't fakes.  People buy stuff for silly prices, yea, they are going to be crap, as impossible to make quality at such low prices.  Use a bit of uncommon common sense. 

 

Our BEVs; SAIC/MG, DECO, DIY ebike, all whole or part from CN, and excellent.   First battery I bought for ebike was silly cheap, and as expected, didn't last, though longer than I thought.  Next battery, rated less, though 2X the size & price, going strong and takes me further.  NO surprise there.

 

Almost all my drones, RC toys, whether DIY or RTF (ready to fly) have be excellent, with a couple exceptions.   Again, price point = no surprise.   

 

Half my camera gear from CN, including my most expensive lens ($2k USD), and freakin' amazing.   Most other products I have are assembled or made wholly in TH, and standing the test of time.   Parts probably from CN.  I'm an Electrolux fan, more expensive, but other brand products died, so not a CC when shopping for many things. 

 

Lesson learned early.  You do get what you pay for, most times, in and from most countries.

 

The whole point of the tariffs is to jack up the imported prices, to force the manufacturing to return to the USA, and manufacture in the USA.  Create job, force innovations.  

 

When I lived in USA, 24+ years ago, I bought many things, clothes especially, as Eddie Bauer fan, a Seattle company.  Don't know who owns them now.   Cars were made in USA, though brands from JP in the later years, but made in USA.  

 

All way before CN became the manufacturing hub of American companies.  Even the USA cars are made in CA & MX, why Trump didn't like NAFTA, that Clinton signed, which saw jobs leaving the USA.

 

Till USA starts manufacturing again, things will probably be a bit more expensive, for those not supporting MADE IN USA products already.   Not American made, USA MADE.

 

It's pretty simple, as the last 25+ years, the voters have let the lobbyist run the country, since they aren't involved or know anything about who they vote for.   So you got cheaper products now, corporations got more profits.    

 

But gave up jobs ... oh well ... som nam na

 

Time to pay the piper, or remain a service oriented employment force, serving the elite, who you blindly followed.

 

Think about it ... Gulf Wars & Covid ... are you really that stupid 

[Mark989]

3 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Why did Trump want to buy Iceland? It had nothing to do with GDP.

It's about gaining personal control of Canadian resources 

???

Iceland has been an independent Nation since 1940. From 1814 to 1918, Iceland was part of the Kingdom of Denmark. After 1918, it became a separate kingdom but was still bound to Denmark by law.

[Mark989]

22 hours ago, Yagoda said:

And I, like millions of other Trump voters watching were saying, no problem hosers, just do what you are told.

And people wonder why Americans are despised, your Honor exhibit #1.