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Is the harsh criticisms of Sir Keir Starmer fair and justified

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Thingamabob Platinum Member

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In addition to the points already made Starmer's appearance and  manner do not inspire confidence. It gets worse when he starts to speak. His choice of cabinet members is also a matter of great concern. Further, taking account of his government's poor performance to date, plus revelations about his and Reeves' Marxist leanings, and it is hardly surprising that he is being harshly criticised. 

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connda
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Is the harsh criticisms of Sir Keir Starmer fair and justified   Yep!

herfiehandbag
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Is the harsh criticisms of Sir Keir Starmer fair and justified   Yes. The whole premise of his platform was that he was more honest, untouched by sleaze, straightforward, dependable, trustwo

brewsterbudgen
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Nothing unusual; just politics.  Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi got much the same.  Keir will survive.

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The Cyclist Gold Member

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This is a good indicator of how stupid he really is

 

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Starmer says 'door remains open' for Siddiq going forward, implying she could return to government in future

 

Surely as a former DPP, he should have been wise enough to say that an active investigation is ongoing, and I cannot comment any further.

 

Going to look even more stupid, than he does already, If she gets hammered by the Bangladeshi's.

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fvw53 Gold Member

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Political partisanship has with the new media of the last 10 years reached the levels of Northern Ireland 30 years ago.

At that time there was a joke that the hardline protestant leader Rev Ian Paisley was dying but he shocked his supporters with the news that he converted to the Catholic faith. They went to ask him "why?" and he replied "if one has to die it better be one of them than one of us"

brewsterbudgen Star Member

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I'm a Labour supporter, but I can understand the anger that non-Labour supporters have with the government and the PM.  I had to go through 14 years of anger and frustration with the far more awful governments of Cameron (Brexit!), May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak!  It's just politics.

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Will B Good Star Member

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6 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Im not British, dont live there……………….. and only know what I read in (mostly) leftist news. My values do not accord with those of Mr. Starmer, based on what I have read, but thats not my business. My main interest in Blighty is their ability to assist us in developing and continuing and expanding the power of the English speaking world.

 

What happens over there up to you Sassenachs. I wish the non Yanks would be as circumspect where required.

 

 

 

Good point, well made……so keep your beaky little neb out.

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Will B Good Star Member

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3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Why would you suggest such a thing? 😄

 

 

 

 

I think all parties must have a committee dedicated to……”What can our leader do today that makes them look a right………."

sandyf Diamond Member

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7 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Furthermore, and most egregious, he now appears to be placing limiting political damage from the fall out from the exposure of the Pakistani Child Rape Gangs cover up over the need for a proper inquiry into what is probably the biggest scandal in British post war history.

The one point I wouldn't hold him out to dry on is another enquiry. We have known from 2011 what the problem is and we don't really need to spend more time and money on proving it. The tories stuck their head in the sand and labour failed to take the initiative as soon as they took office, now paying for that mistake.

Bottom line is they are a bunch of hypocrites, claim to be the party for working people but no interest in those that have been working people. Those that have never contributed to the economy get more consideration.

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1 hour ago, sandyf said:

The one point I wouldn't hold him out to dry on is another enquiry. We have known from 2011 what the problem is and we don't really need to spend more time and money on proving it. The tories stuck their head in the sand and labour failed to take the initiative as soon as they took office, now paying for that mistake.

Bottom line is they are a bunch of hypocrites, claim to be the party for working people but no interest in those that have been working people. Those that have never contributed to the economy get more consideration.

I agree that it would cover much ground which has already been covered. We know much ( although perhaps we are only now realising the scale and depth of both the criminal activities and the associated cover up.

 

The previous investigations and inquiries have been effectively buried. Exhuming them would not breathe fresh life into them.

 

A new inquiry, would make it much more difficult if not impossible, as a result of these latest revelations and the public interest and anger they have caused, to "manage" to maintain the "cover up", public and media are onto that game and will be watching like hawks. That is exactly why the government is so opposed to It. There are many questions still unanswered, they know that, and are, I suggest, desperate to leave them unanswered. Particularly pertinent are questions as to the CPS's role, which are now beginning to raise their head. The CPS (and it's head the DPP may be innocent), but they need to show that, publicly before an inquiry, not just claim and maintain it.

 

The cries of " an amendment to the Child Protection Bill will kill the Bill" are nonsense, with their majority and 4 + years  left in power they could easily resurrect it in short order.

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21 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I agree that it would cover much ground which has already been covered. We know much ( although perhaps we are only now realising the scale and depth of both the criminal activities and the associated cover up.

I lived in Sheffield when the Rotherham situation came first hit main stream media in the early 2000s, although there had been rumours for at least 10 years previous.

I can remember statements in the local press from the police admitting that they not followed up on some cases for fear of being accused of racial bias. It should be fairly obvious that those suspected of breaking the law cannot be protected by other legislation, but politicians of all persuasions have been very reluctant to address the issue. Labour were in government at that time and not surprisingly want to steer clear of the fact, after all it was a labour government that introduced the Race Relations Act.

liddelljohn Gold Member

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When a country starts locking people up  using a rigged justice system illegally as political prisoners and sides with criminal  minorities , and uses the police to  harrass and  frighten ordinary citizens  whilst  not dealing with real crime,   , then the leader is toxic so yes Starmer is  very  poor

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brewsterbudgen Star Member

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1 hour ago, liddelljohn said:

When a country starts locking people up  using a rigged justice system illegally as political prisoners and sides with criminal  minorities , and uses the police to  harrass and  frighten ordinary citizens  whilst  not dealing with real crime,   , then the leader is toxic so yes Starmer is  very  poor

 

Except that none of that actually happened!

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wombat Platinum Member

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On 1/14/2025 at 9:24 PM, connda said:

Is the harsh criticisms of Sir Keir Starmer fair and justified

 

Yep!

I would say yes going by what I read.

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Starmer is safe. The UK seems a placid country to me. The English in particular exported all their adventurers and dissidents to America. They sent the people violent enough to defend their interests to Australia. And they sent their most entrepreneurial risk takers to India.

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Starmer sued the labour government in 1997  whwn he was a no name lawyer    to give free benefits to all Illegal immigrants   he won ,,,,,,

 

When he was  Director of public prosecutions  he also decided not to prosecute Jimmy Saville even though the police  had given him proof of Saville's pedo sex crimes

 

Starmer is scum

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liddelljohn Gold Member

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Musk has  just called for MEGA  .........Make Europe great Again

 

maybe we should have BEGA    Britain England Great Again   ,,,,,

 

all total stupidity for sure

ukrules Star Member

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On 1/14/2025 at 3:20 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

Nothing unusual; just politics.  Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi got much the same.  Keir will survive.

Right, just like Boris, Liz and Rishi 🙄

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3 hours ago, liddelljohn said:

Starmer sued the labour government in 1997  whwn he was a no name lawyer    to give free benefits to all Illegal immigrants   he won ,,,,,,

 

When he was  Director of public prosecutions  he also decided not to prosecute Jimmy Saville even though the police  had given him proof of Saville's pedo sex crimes

 

Starmer is scum


You know you are supposed to provide links when you make claims.

Yours are nonsense and completely false. So please provide your sources, this will be quite amusing. Links please.

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On 1/14/2025 at 2:19 PM, BangkokReady said:

 

This isn't the complete picture.  There was also rioting by immigrants where the police basically walked away and let them get on with it.  Then, when non-immigrants rioted later, they were pretty firm with them.  You can't really remove the context of a recent riot that relates in some way.

Got links to this claim?

 

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On 1/15/2025 at 7:01 AM, Thingamabob said:

In addition to the points already made Starmer's appearance and  manner do not inspire confidence. It gets worse when he starts to speak. His choice of cabinet members is also a matter of great concern. Further, taking account of his government's poor performance to date, plus revelations about his and Reeves' Marxist leanings, and it is hardly surprising that he is being harshly criticised. 

Reeves' Marxist leanings? You read Marx right?

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2 minutes ago, spot said:

I can't see anything in there about the attempted burning of Mosques or hotels.

And this was a separate incident from the Southport connected riots.

And, people were jailed https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/news-appeals/four-men-jailed-arson-and-violent-disorder-harehills#:~:text=Iustin Dobre (37) Mark Mitchell,on the 18th of July.

 

I didn't make any of those claims.  Are you replying to the correct person?

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On 1/14/2025 at 6:35 AM, Rimmer said:

Since assuming office as UK Prime Minister in July 2024, Sir Keir Starmer has faced several challenges and criticisms:

 

  1. Handling of Riots and Policing Concerns: Following a tragic stabbing incident in Southport, anti-immigration riots erupted. The government's stringent response, including the imprisonment of protesters for social media posts, led to accusations of "two-tier policing," suggesting unequal treatment based on background.

     

  2. Economic Policy Criticisms: Chancellor Rachel Reeves' budget introduced significant tax increases, including a £40 billion uplift and the removal of winter fuel payments for many pensioners. These measures have been unpopular, with experts warning of potential negative impacts on employment and public sentiment.

     

  3. Donations and Perceived Hypocrisy: Starmer has faced scrutiny for accepting substantial gifts and hospitality, totaling over £100,000 in five years. This has led to accusations of hypocrisy, given previous criticisms of similar behaviors by political opponents.

     

  4. Internal Government Challenges: Reports indicate internal chaos and a lack of clear direction within Starmer's administration, contributing to perceptions of an unsteady government.

     

  5. Declining Public Approval: Starmer's approval ratings have significantly declined, with some polls labeling him as one of the least popular Prime Ministers in recent history.

     

These issues have collectively contributed to a challenging start for Starmer's tenure as Prime Minister.

 

Most of your links and quotes are from GB news. That in itself tells you a lot. 

I've never witnessed such an onslaught on a UK PM in such a short period. The UK press rags have been hammering everything and jumping on the slightest misstep. I'm not Starmer's biggest fan, but for ffs, give them a chance - at least 18 months.

 

 

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On 1/14/2025 at 2:19 PM, BangkokReady said:

 

This isn't the complete picture.  There was also rioting by immigrants where the police basically walked away and let them get on with it.  Then, when non-immigrants rioted later, they were pretty firm with them.  You can't really remove the context of a recent riot that relates in some way.

 I was replying to this "where the police basically walked away" etc, and then you sent a link?

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