RJRS1301 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 10:10 AM, mfd101 said: The Australian federal opposition (Liberal/National) is taking a plan for SMRs (starting later 2030s) to the federal election due in May. The argument is that modern economies require RELIABLE electricity - and more & more of it (eg AIs), which renewables - wind, batteries & hydro (the latter almost non-existent in Oz) - are incapable of. Gas & coal required for the transition to a nuclear & renewables longterm. It will take a major blackout in NSW or Victoria or Queensland before the election to swing enough voters to the Coalition to change the government. The current Labor government is wedded to renewables-only and getting rid of coal asap. Recently however it has conceded that gas will have to continue longer as widespread blackouts threaten. Interestingly, the polls show that younger voters (say 18-38) are very open to a nuclear future. Dutton promised costing months ago so far done released because LNP have none Polls do not indicate acceptance of the idea The glaring gaps and unanswered questions in the Coalition’s nuclear plan and costings
parallelman Posted January 15 Posted January 15 As long as they don't mix up their phone numbers with atomic numbers, should be ok. 1
Terry Juhlin Posted January 15 Posted January 15 7 hours ago, bokningar said: Thai maintenance and nuclear power what can go wrong? But by then the chines might have taken over. Take over? The Chinese will build it. They’ll grease the palms of the Thai officials so they get the all the construction and maintenance contracts. They’ll bring in Chinese engineering which will include suppling all the materials needed and the experienced construction crews to build it. Chinese banks (the CCP) will finance it and be primary owners owners of it and lease it and sell all the electricity that is generated to the Thai government or to the The Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand (EGAT) …
MikeandDow Posted January 15 Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, Terry Juhlin said: Take over? The Chinese will build it. They’ll grease the palms of the Thai officials so they get the all the construction and maintenance contracts. They’ll bring in Chinese engineering which will include suppling all the materials needed and the experienced construction crews to build it. Chinese banks (the CCP) will finance it and be primary owners owners of it and lease it and sell all the electricity that it’s generated to the Thai government or to the The Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand (EGAT) … Thats about right !! Total coruption No jobs for Thais, will be as you said primary owners,
Grumpy one Posted January 15 Posted January 15 6 hours ago, soalbundy said: I don't care, I'll be dead by then. Or soon after
placnx Posted January 15 Posted January 15 7 hours ago, MikeandDow said: Absolutely stupid !!! the cost of SMRs can cost between $50 million for microreactors and $3 billion for larger units. Most G7 turbines cost in the $2-4 million dollar range so for the equivalent output ( need 3, G7 ) would be approx 6 mil and a lot safer, Can you imagine the potential Danger !!!!! spending that amout of money on SMR's they would have to raise the electrical cost !!! There are hundreds of designs underway, but only two are under construction in CHina and Argentina (125 and 30 megawatts). https://aris.iaea.org/publications/SMR_catalogue_2024.pdf At a cost of around USD4mn for a 3 megawatt wind turbine, this would require 42 wind turbines at a cost of around USD168mn to equal the power generated by the Chinese SMR cited above. Time will tell whether these small reactors cost that much. The concept is assembling them in a factory and installing them onsite in a concrete shell (see designs in linked publication). Low maintenance compared to turbines.
Trevor Collins Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Thais have problems operating a submarine (and buses, come to that) so how will they cope with a nuclear power plant.
pacovl46 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 So stupid, considering how many sunny days and how much coastline Thailand has. They'd be much better off using solar and wave generators!
PETERTHEEATER Posted January 15 Posted January 15 6 hours ago, soalbundy said: I don't care, I'll be dead by then. Lighten up! Radiation sickness isn't always fatal. 😀
MikeandDow Posted January 15 Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, placnx said: There are hundreds of designs underway, but only two are under construction in CHina and Argentina (125 and 30 megawatts). https://aris.iaea.org/publications/SMR_catalogue_2024.pdf At a cost of around USD4mn for a 3 megawatt wind turbine, this would require 42 wind turbines at a cost of around USD168mn to equal the power generated by the Chinese SMR cited above. Time will tell whether these small reactors cost that much. The concept is assembling them in a factory and installing them onsite in a concrete shell (see designs in linked publication). Low maintenance compared to turbines. Cost of maintenance on a G7 or G9 is very minimal, ( G7 and G9 are Not wind turbines ) G9 output 145 MW output cost savings using Turbines far weights the outcome of new Technology SMR, G7 and G9 this is not new Technology and are in use in Thailand now ! and are EGAT owned
Purdey Posted January 15 Posted January 15 While no doubt there are professionals in Thailand, I am not sure how they deal with the people who dig the foundations of the plant. 1 1
MikeandDow Posted January 15 Posted January 15 47 minutes ago, Purdey said: While no doubt there are professionals in Thailand, I am not sure how they deal with the people who dig the foundations of the plant. Read the whole post its been addressed ( They’ll bring in Chinese engineering which will include suppling all the materials needed and the experienced construction crews to build it) 1
Truth Teller Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Remember Chernobyl in Russia? Don't do it Thailand ESPECIALLY if the communist Chinese are involved and/or their 'friends ' the communist Russians. 1
MikeandDow Posted January 15 Posted January 15 The cost of these SMR are in the Billions, the output is not that great, and dont forget the cost will be passed on to the consumer,
Lancelot01 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 12 hours ago, Gottfrid said: Who pushed the wrong button? Doh, Homer.
NedR69 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Wondering what country will operate the plant…this country doesn’t even have Cat 1 aviation rating, and I can’t see them working on anything near a reactor.
MikeandDow Posted January 15 Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, NedR69 said: Wondering what country will operate the plant…this country doesn’t even have Cat 1 aviation rating, and I can’t see them working on anything near a reactor. Can you not guess which country !! it a country which will soon own Thailand
Gknrd Posted January 15 Posted January 15 Well with China and North Korea's help they should get there no problem.
RJRS1301 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 12 hours ago, MikeandDow said: This is way out of date !! nothing to do with Thailand I was responding to the post regarding the Australian oppose proposal for SMR
geisha Posted January 15 Posted January 15 16 hours ago, Krabi King said: Hopefully to be built on some far away islands 🫣 Koh Tao sounds good ! 1
bokningar Posted January 15 Posted January 15 14 hours ago, Terry Juhlin said: 22 hours ago, bokningar said: Thai maintenance and nuclear power what can go wrong? But by then the chines might have taken over. Take over? The Chinese will build it. They’ll grease the palms of the Thai officials so they get the all the construction and maintenance contracts. They’ll bring in Chinese engineering which will include suppling all the materials needed and the experienced construction crews to build it. Chinese banks (the CCP) will finance it and be primary owners owners of it and lease it and sell all the electricity that is generated to the Thai government or to the The Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand (EGAT) … The whole country
Justanotherone Posted January 16 Posted January 16 soon, cheap land for farangs to buy, near the reactors... or fall out zone 1
asdf1234 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Where are they putting the plant? That place will be the next chernobyl
BeastOfBodmin Posted January 16 Posted January 16 19 hours ago, black tabby12345 said: Unable to maintain even own State Rail tracks. Rampant corruption and lack of management at all levels. Nuke business, by 2037? Another 12 years to reach Minimum Safe Distance... I expect they first need to work out how to use the blue piping in the build.
black tabby12345 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 1 hour ago, BeastOfBodmin said: I expect they first need to work out how to use the blue piping in the build. Can't Run, before They Can't Walk.
Gottfrid Posted January 16 Posted January 16 14 hours ago, Lancelot01 said: Doh, Homer. Nah, I don´t believe you. He is a fantasy figure in a popular cartoon. You must learn to separate reality and fiction.
metisdead Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Some off topic posts about emoticon usage have been removed.
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