Undercover International police

[fredwiggy]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It would not surprise me in the least, especially if the authorities were Americans. They love to engage in nonsense, and enjoy nothing more than arresting a fellow American for sex crimes. 

Aren't they supposed to arrest those who commit sex crimes? High priority in my thinking, getting animals off the streets.

[NickyLouie]

You bet your sweet a__ the Chinese have agents posted up already 

[theblether]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It would not surprise me in the least, especially if the authorities were Americans. They love to engage in nonsense, and enjoy nothing more than arresting a fellow American for sex crimes. 

 

That's an extraordinary post. 

 

Can you do the forum a favour and explain why you have a problem with American authorities arresting Americans for sex crimes?

[NativeBob]

Israel does. 

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I believe that its possible for overseas forces to operate in Thailand, under advisory roles, without jurisdiction or policing powers under the supervision and guidance of Interpol Thailand, who may also liaise with local police forces. 

 

So..  No, overseas Police forces cannot make arrests here in Thailand - but under an advisory roll, then can guide Thai Police to wanted individuals and oversee their arrest. 

 

 

That's the right answer.   

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It would not surprise me in the least, especially if the authorities were Americans. They love to engage in nonsense, and enjoy nothing more than arresting a fellow American for sex crimes. 

Not in Thailand where they have no jurisdiction, they don't.  They can work with the RTP who are the only ones that can make arrests in Thailand or wait until the subject is back on US soil when they can make their arrest.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Jimjim1 said:

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

enjoy nothing more than arresting a fellow American for sex crimes. 

Surely if they are committing sex crimes they should be arrested, and it should not matter who carries out the arrest

The reason that it does matter who makes the arrest is because an illegal arrest can result in the case being thrown out and police making arrests outside their jurisdiction (they actually don't do that) would be making unlawful arrests.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Jimjim1 said:

Surely if they are committing sex crimes they should be arrested, and it should not matter who carries out the arrest

Foreign police officers have exactly the same arrest rights here as you and I do, i.e. none.

[novacova]

5 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Do you think the rumours are true that Western countries have actual undercover police in Pattaya

The US does, they hunt down fugitives.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, worgeordie said:

I think you mean CIA , the FBI are only supposed to work in USA.

The FBI does have an office in Bangkok (maybe other cities, also) and they work with RTP. here.

[Liverpool Lou]

45 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Aren't they supposed to arrest those who commit sex crimes? High priority in my thinking, getting animals off the streets.

Only where they have jurisdiction.

[GypsyT]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

How did he know they were Australian Federal Police?

 

It could have been a kidnapping.  

This cops may have kidnapped georgegeorge to at the VT2 pool?

[Lacessit]

I don't see why this thread should be of any concern to law-abiding expats and retirees, although it looks like a fertile field for conspiracy theorists and former lawmen.

[dddave]

Almost every US Embassy has what is called a "LEGAT", the acronym for "Legal Attaché", almost always an FBI agent. At larger embassy's like Bangkok there are DEA, CBP, ATF and CIA  agents operating under various titles.  Most other larger nations have exactly the same.  They don't have the power to arrest but they just bring along a local cop for that.   

Interestingly, during the annual "COBRA GOLD" exercises involving US Navy and Marine personnel, in Pattaya, especially on Walking Street,  American MPs seem to have pretty free reign to enter bars and clubs and demand ID's, pulling out anybody off limits.  

[KhunHeineken]

Tomorrow's headline,  "Two Australian Federal Police Officers arrested in Pattaya for working without a work permit."  

[Briggsy]

Israeli agents patrol the airport perimeter for the El-Al arrivals and departures.

[georgegeorgia]

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Tomorrow's headline,  "Two Australian Federal Police Officers arrested in Pattaya for working without a work permit."  

 

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Aren't they supposed to arrest those who commit sex crimes? High priority in my thinking, getting animals off the streets.

Organised crime as well my guess 

[GypsyT]

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Tomorrow's headline,  "Two Australian Federal Police Officers arrested in Pattaya for working without a work permit."

Headline nr 2;

"Two Australian Federal Police Officers arrested in Pattaya for failing to do TM-30 in time."

 

[harryviking]

15 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Do you think the rumours are true that Western countries have actual undercover police in Pattaya 

 

I was discussing this with a work colleague last night who told me he had witnessed a Australian  guy  being arrested by Australian Federal police in a Pattaya bar 

Are they stationed in Pattaya and for what reason ?

 

If I knew they were there I would of lodged a  police complaint about the view talay where I was overcharged and kidnapped where the swimming pool area was locked !

 

I recall German undercover police also  arrest people too in Pattaya

Are these rumours true ?

Do they mix around in bars etc ?

 

Who are they after ?

I do not know about now, but a few decades ago, my country used to have undercover news reporters and sometimes police in Pattaya looking for people wanted, having bisinesses that they did not report to the tax people back home or pedos! If they still do it, I do not know. 

[thesetat]

14 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

So, yes, there are police from foreign countries here, but they will not have any powers to detain or arrest. While their presence here isn't exactly secret, it isn't widely advertised, either.

If they are really here as you say. Then they would not need to be given power to do those things. That does not mean they could not kidnap you and take you to a secret place for interrogation and deportation. 

 

 

An interesting read here about this topic. 

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/opinion/2021/04/24/opinion-cia-agents-in-thailand-please-raise-your-hand/

 

History taught us that the CIA most likely operates in Thailand, just like in any other foreign states.

WikilLeaks claims that a rendition operation took place in Thailand during Thaksin Shinawatra’s administration.

This is the ‘nature’ of superpowers, that likely includes today’s China.

Southeast Asia is a major contested region between the U.S. and China. It’s most likely that both nations actively operate in Thailand. Funny how very few ask who might be spies or informants working for China in Thailand.

In the end, this is about the lack of trust among conspiracy theorists. Those accusing Streckfuss of being a CIA operative alleged that the man is behind young northeastern political activists, chiefly Jatupat ‘Pai Dao Din’ Boonpattararaksa who graduated from Khon Kaen University while serving his two-year lese majeste conviction in prison for sharing a critical biography of the King produced by the BBC Thai-language service.

Pai is facing multiple lese majeste charges and was just released on bail on Friday after spending 47 days in prison.

This rendered the current struggle for democracy, and particularly monarchy reform, of a foreign-instigated, if not manipulated, movement.

It speaks volume how these conspiracy theorists do not believe that Thais could think for themselves and want to achieve a more equitable society and invalidate them. (The irony is that it was the U.S. which supported Thai military dictators and the revival of the status of Thai monarchy during the Cold War.)... อ่านข่าวต้นฉบับได้ที่ : https://www.khaosodenglish.com/opinion/2021/04/24/opinion-cia-agents-in-thailand-please-raise-your-hand/

[J Branche]

My knowledge is of the US Marshall's service.  They need to notify and usually work with the Police in the Foreign country example Thailand.  I do know of an instance in Ecuador were someone was captured who was wanted and extracted Without prior notification to Ecuador.  They stated that do to the corruption and knowledge of an insider working for the Police in that area they did Not notify first.  Luckily Ecuador was cool with it but these things can cause Big problems depending on the country

[The Old Bull]

For sure, they stand out in bars full of old expats talking about football. Younger,alone and don't drink. I had a hippy type approach me once wanting to buy a bag of weed. When I told him to get lost he accused me of being a nark. So I told him narks look like you not like me. When he heard that he took off like a rabbit. Another time I spotted a well dressed younger fellow sitting in a bar full of old farangs drinking beer.He was sitting in the corner drinking a soda and watching most probably looking for some scally to show up.

[phetphet]

I think they can come here to work along Thai Police to arrest international fugitives if they have information on where they might be.

 

I recall  a case in Samui not too long ago where someone on the run from the UK was hiding out on Koh Matsum, a small one hotel island off  the south west of Samui. His family all flew out to Samui to holiday with him. The UK and Thai police just followed the family from Samui Airport to Matsum and arrested the guy.

[Thingamabob]

While there are many agencies with people in Thailand they cannot make arrests or take any direct action against fugitives. However they work closely with the RTP who regularly take action on their behalf.

[phetphet]

7 minutes ago, phetphet said:

I think they can come here to work along Thai Police to arrest international fugitives if they have information on where they might be.

 

I recall  a case in Samui not too long ago where someone on the run from the UK was hiding out on Koh Matsum, a small one hotel island off  the south west of Samui. His family all flew out to Samui to holiday with him. The UK and Thai police just followed the family from Samui Airport to Matsum and arrested the guy.

Seems like I was wrong. The UK Police just notified the Thai Police and they carried out the operation.  It was even posted here on AN:

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/982244-uk-drugs-baron-arrested-by-thai-cops-on-samui/

[Drumbuie]

It is standard practice for all embassies  to have some members of their police forces on their staff. I suppose you could call that "being undercover".  

[Grumpy one]

18 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Were you molested again?

 

I remember you posting some time back about you being sexually assaulted by a ladyboy. 

 

Probably paid to be assaulted  

[spidermike007]

14 hours ago, theblether said:

 

That's an extraordinary post. 

 

Can you do the forum a favour and explain why you have a problem with American authorities arresting Americans for sex crimes?

It is the relatively minor sex crimes that I have an issue with, for instance having sex with a 16 year old while illegal and immoral, is not the kind of crime that should result in a 10-year Federal sentence. 

 

Likewise having photos on your phone or your computer of nude women of legal age is also not a crime and yet people are being prosecuted for it. 

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Aren't they supposed to arrest those who commit sex crimes? High priority in my thinking, getting animals off the streets.

It depends entirely on the nature of the crime, human trafficking, having sex with a 15 year old, sex of a non-consensual nature, these are relatively serious crimes. There are a lot of sex crimes which are not and yet the American authorities pursue them anyway. 

 

And very powerful and rich people who are involved in Sex and human trafficking are getting away with it and not being pursued, while little guys  are being pursued for very minor and very petty crimes. 

 

The American authorities are way way overzealous when it comes to the pursuit of sex crimes, and while I agree that serious sex crimes should be pursued, minor ones are not worthy of the resources. 

[MadAtMatrix]

There are DEA, US Secret Service, and CIA attached to the US Embassy and are in country. Nearly every embassy has a liaison officer from the country stationed there, such as the RCMP having one or more officers stationed at each of these locations. https://rcmp.ca/en/federal-policing/international-policing/liaison-officers-and-analysts

When there was human trafficking ships going to Canada from SE Asia in the early 2010's, there were Canadian cops in Jakarta, Sri Lanka, Bangkok and other locations that were working alongside the local police to gather evidence and intelligence. They do not hold powers of arrest or able to enforce local laws, but they can use the evidence they have seen if it constitutes an offence in their home country. 

Here is an example of an undercover officer dying in Thailand (4th last paragraph states where it occurred)