Challenging eviction from unit

[csaba81]

Not sure how to go about getting the right legal help. Should i start by trying to find a good Chiang Mai lawyer (suggestions welcome), or is there a government agency that helps people with disputes, like the office of the Consumer Protection Board (OCPB)?

[OneMoreFarang]

Maybe ask yourself first what outcome you expect, how long you would be willing to fight, and how much you would be willing to pay for that fight.

And then look at how much time and money it would cost you to just move.

 

Is it fair? Maybe not. But compare your options.

[jas007]

12 minutes ago, csaba81 said:

Not sure how to go about getting the right legal help. Should i start by trying to find a good Chiang Mai lawyer (suggestions welcome), or is there a government agency that helps people with disputes, like the office of the Consumer Protection Board (OCPB)?

Off the top of my head,, and knowing nothing whatsoever about Thai law, wouldn't it be easier to just move? 

[novacova]

15 minutes ago, csaba81 said:

Should i start by trying to find a good Chiang Mai lawyer (suggestions welcome), or is there a government agency that helps people with disputes, like the office of the Consumer Protection Board (OCPB)?

Most likely will result in more grief than it’s worth. Just move, find a temporary dwelling to live until you find something that you like.

[gargamon]

So let me ask the obvious question. What reason did they use, if any, when they evicted you? Is it end of lease?

[steven100]

TIT .....    it's not like the west where you have rights,   your best off to just bite the bullet and move,  alot less painful and cheaper.  

[csaba81]

26 minutes ago, gargamon said:

So let me ask the obvious question. What reason did they use, if any, when they evicted you? Is it end of lease?

Apparently I'm too noisy. I pay month to month. Because I'm the oldest tenant I'm still on a really good rate. By booting me out they can get another 2000b in their pocket every month

[csaba81]

36 minutes ago, novacova said:

Most likely will result in more grief than it’s worth. Just move, find a temporary dwelling to live until you find something that you like.

Fair point. I've been in the same place now for more than 10 years so it really does feel like my home.

[grain]

If Thais turn against you the best thing to do is put as much distance as possible between you and them. Even if you took legal action and won the right to remain on in the property, then the Thai owner is going to be even worse to deal with, Thais don't like losing, especially to a farang. They'll make your life a misery and it could even be dangerous for you. If the Thai owner wants you gone, then go.

[bokningar]

Talk to them and see if you can agree on a new price or just leave.

 

[OneMoreFarang]

53 minutes ago, csaba81 said:

Apparently I'm too noisy. I pay month to month. Because I'm the oldest tenant I'm still on a really good rate. By booting me out they can get another 2000b in their pocket every month

So maybe just offer them 2000B more. Maybe then you can stay.

 

I had a similar situation a long time ago. The owner told me that he wanted that I move out (according to the contract) so he could move in. I offered to pay more, he accepted.

Mostly I did this because I hate moving and all that hassle. And likely a new place would not have been cheaper. 

[impulse]

12 hours ago, csaba81 said:

Apparently I'm too noisy. I pay month to month. Because I'm the oldest tenant I'm still on a really good rate. By booting me out they can get another 2000b in their pocket every month

 

I'm with OMF above.  If you're month to month, why are they keeping you on the lower rate?  You may want to offer them 2000 baht more to see if that's the real issue.  If you do move elsewhere, you may not get that sweetheart rate.

 

Fighting the eviction in court would be rather Quixotic.

 

 

[PomPolo]

Also depends all depends what is in your lease agreement "If you have one" there are laws that do protect foreigners in situations like this, I don't know them all.

But yeah bit of good advice from the posters above, if they want you gone just go there will always be somewhere else that will probably happily take you for the amount of money you are paying now.

In my experience Thais can be fairly unpredictable in situations like this and can often resort to 'alternative' tactics to remove you from somewhere they don't want you to be.

Voluntarily moving out is probably the path of least resistance.

[Celsius]

12 hours ago, csaba81 said:

Fair point. I've been in the same place now for more than 10 years so it really does feel like my home.

 

yea.... this is one of the reasons I'm going back to Canada. to evict the tenants who are paying me 30% below market rate and somehow think it's "their" home 

[soi3eddie]

13 hours ago, csaba81 said:

Fair point. I've been in the same place now for more than 10 years so it really does feel like my home.

 

"Rent don't buy" is often written on this forum. For those who really want to make their life in Thailand (or anywhere), renting will always be insecure. Landlord can increase rent or refuse to renew tenancy. I was a renter in London for last 9 years until I found and bought a flat there last year. As a condo owner in Bangkok for last 15 years, I certainly wouldn't want to be a renter here unless I knew it would only be short term and accepted eviction at end of contract (or even before). 

 

Even with a Thai contract, it's best just to move on and move out. No point wasting money on lawyers. Hopefully you'll have better luck next time.

 

[mikecha]

Move on ,Find something else  

Take advise from the forum it could get violent  ,farang  never right  Thai right 

so swallow your pride move out, or offer more Money .,but do not get into a legal Battle .spend this money on an upgrade of living.

 

[J Branche]

19 hours ago, csaba81 said:

Apparently I'm too noisy. I pay month to month.

If landlord provides proper notice 30 days or whatever is specified in lease for "Notice of Termination" I believe the landlord does not need to provide a reason if you are at the end of your lease term.

 

The noise issue.  In my condo building this is enforced.  Juristic Office provides notice of violation and the fine amount, fine due date.  The fine is against the Unit thus against the Owner.  The Juristic Office is tough because many tourist/short term renters did not respect the rules.

 

Lastly if you can't reach an agreement and consult with a lawyer he will give you an estimate.  You will NOT like his price.  Think 50,000 baht for a simple case.

[Lacessit]

8 hours ago, soi3eddie said:

 

"Rent don't buy" is often written on this forum. For those who really want to make their life in Thailand (or anywhere), renting will always be insecure. Landlord can increase rent or refuse to renew tenancy. I was a renter in London for last 9 years until I found and bought a flat there last year. As a condo owner in Bangkok for last 15 years, I certainly wouldn't want to be a renter here unless I knew it would only be short term and accepted eviction at end of contract (or even before). 

 

Even with a Thai contract, it's best just to move on and move out. No point wasting money on lawyers. Hopefully you'll have better luck next time.

 

So what do you do when someone moves in and makes your life a living hell with excessive noise? That's the downside of ownership, a renter can simply move out.

 

As other posters have said, the OP has three options - offer more money, move out, or go to court. For several reasons, the third option is the leasrt attractive.

[Thingamabob]

A court case will likely cause a lot more trouble for you. My advice, best to move on and find a new place.

[newnative]

On 1/28/2025 at 6:29 PM, csaba81 said:

Apparently I'm too noisy. I pay month to month. Because I'm the oldest tenant I'm still on a really good rate. By booting me out they can get another 2000b in their pocket every month

    If you're on month to month you--and the landlord--can both opt out with a month's notice, leaving the other hanging.  In this case, the landlord did it, rather than you.  Could have been the other way around--that's the nature of month to month.  Doubt you have much legal recourse.   As others have said, you could offer to pay more rent, or move.

[timendres]

On 1/28/2025 at 7:25 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

So maybe just offer them 2000B more. Maybe then you can stay.

 

This is good advice. Maybe start out by offering 1,000 more and be willing to offer the market value.

You've gotten a bargain (apparently) for some years, so "fair enough"...

[digger70]

Maybe Safer and cheaper and Smarter to just Move, It also Depends on Why one is evicted .     This Is Thailand  one Never knows What Can happen.

[jimmybcool]

On 1/28/2025 at 6:29 PM, csaba81 said:

Apparently I'm too noisy. I pay month to month. Because I'm the oldest tenant I'm still on a really good rate. By booting me out they can get another 2000b in their pocket every month

 

What good is a lawyer when you have no lease?    Clearly the reason he is evicting you is money.  Either offer to pay an additional 2000 a month (the current going rate per you) and everything is cool.  Or move out because he has every right to evict you with no lease.

[Metapod]

On 1/28/2025 at 6:29 PM, csaba81 said:

Apparently I'm too noisy. I pay month to month. Because I'm the oldest tenant I'm still on a really good rate. By booting me out they can get another 2000b in their pocket every month

 

month to month means you don't have a contract and there is nothing you can do. all the landlord has to do is give you 30 days notice and then you must move out.

 

just find a new place.

[Rhys]

Save yourself future hassles, leave.. find a more friendly enivornment. All the best

[scorecard]

On 1/28/2025 at 5:50 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe ask yourself first what outcome you expect, how long you would be willing to fight, and how much you would be willing to pay for that fight.

And then look at how much time and money it would cost you to just move.

 

Is it fair? Maybe not. But compare your options.

 

Also, are you being realistic as to why the owner is trying to evict you?

Have you done serious damage to the unit? Or what...

[Iron Tongue]

On 1/29/2025 at 1:29 AM, Lacessit said:

 

As other posters have said, the OP has three options - offer more money, move out, or go to court. For several reasons, the third option is the leasrt attractive.

There's one more option.  Offer to buy the place.

If you are so used to the place, and if you can afford to, make an offer.

[save the frogs]

On 1/28/2025 at 6:31 AM, csaba81 said:

Fair point. I've been in the same place now for more than 10 years so it really does feel like my home.

yeah, but if you move you can experience new things, discover new restaurants.

maybe you can even move to another part of thailand and make a fresh start.

it gets monotonous being in the same place forever anyway. 

just look at it as a fresh adventure, a new start. and don't focus on the landlord. 

 

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, Iron Tongue said:

There's one more option.  Offer to buy the place.

If you are so used to the place, and if you can afford to, make an offer.

Valid point. However, the owner might sense desperation, and jack up the price accordingly.

 

I've never been so attached to a place I have not been able to move on, but we all are different.

[CecilM]

They want you out.

Why on earth would you want to fight to stay?