Ukraine must cede territory in peace talks, says US

[dinsdale]

24 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

 

And a keyboard appeaser wants to settle by surrendering ill gotten territory

 

russia leaves ukraine, war over.

See how easy that was.

Trump: "Excuse me Dictator Putin will you please leave Ukraine so we can end this war." Dictator Putin: "Sure. Happy to oblige." Chances of this happening? ZERO.

[frank83628]

6 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

 

And a keyboard appeaser wants to settle by surrendering ill gotten territory

 

russia leaves ukraine, war over.

See how easy that was.

As opposed to a keyboard warrior like yourself who wants to keep the war going, people dying, all from the safety of his laptop tucked away far from the bullets or missiles, you weak half man, pussy.

[lordgrinz]

11 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

 

And a keyboard appeaser wants to settle by surrendering ill gotten territory

 

russia leaves ukraine, war over.

See how easy that was.

 

You mean naive? Yes.

[frank83628]

5 pages of screethcy BS from the lamestream reality deniers... some of us told you ages ago that Putin has the land in the east he wanted and Ukraine has lost this fight...and now look... does it register to any of you that you were lied to and now are wrong ... AGAIN?

[dinsdale]

5 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

5 pages of screethcy BS from the lamestream reality deniers... some of us told you ages ago that Putin has the land in the east he wanted and Ukraine has lost this fight...and now look... does it register to any of you that you were lied to and now are wrong ... AGAIN?

"Lamestream reality deniers." Not sure what lamestream is. Deluded? As for the deluded they have of course added the laughing emojis to my post saying the Kursk incursion is collapsing. They add these emojis and never respond with any rational discourse because they lack the required intellect to do so. Having said this they do have the required intellect to think Harris should have been POTUS, The required intellect to think DEI is a good thing, men should compete against women in women's sports AND the open border policy was great for the US of A..  

[Hellfire]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

You might have been told that by your media, but in reality he is a well respected leader and has massive support by his people.

How many western leaders are respected on the same level..

His people? I’d call them his slaves—Soviet slaves who were once the tsar’s slaves. An unfortunate and cruel bunch, unable to build a free society and totally indifferent to the killings of thousands and thousands of innocent people in Ukraine. 

[dinsdale]

23 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

His people? I’d call them his slaves—Soviet slaves who were once the tsar’s slaves. An unfortunate and cruel bunch, unable to build a free society and totally indifferent to the killings of thousands and thousands of innocent people in Ukraine. 

I assume you're posting from Ukraine or are you simply a supporter of the war and will soon join the battle to defeat the dictator and Trump's master? Very brave of you. The military leadership of Ukraine is doing a great job. It's all Russian lies that Ukraine loses more ground and more soldiers daily. Go you hero and push back the invader.

 

 

[liddelljohn]

Trumps support for Putin.   is all about Putin and  Xi supporting Trump when he invades Canada and Greenland  and ends up in a WORLD war with UK, Europe, Australia , Japan and all decent countries ,,,and civil war back in USA ,,   only China will benefit  ,, Trump and his psycho toadies are already destroying the USA   economy and his own supporters are  suffering most LOL

[TedG]

17 minutes ago, liddelljohn said:

Trumps support for Putin.   is all about Putin and  Xi supporting Trump when he invades Canada and Greenland  and ends up in a WORLD war with UK, Europe, Australia , Japan and all decent countries ,,,and civil war back in USA ,,   only China will benefit  ,, Trump and his psycho toadies are already destroying the USA   economy and his own supporters are  suffering most LOL

I support the invasion of Canada. 

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, TedG said:

1) Rubio was had nothing to do with this agreement.

2) Rubio was in the Senate.

3) Who was POTUS in 2014 when Russia stole Crimean?

4) Who was PUTUS when Putin invaded Ukraine. 

5) Putin is not leaving Ukraine, what is your solution? 

Whatever......the word of the US means nothing and trump and co are SOBs for abandoning Ukraine in their time of need.

That the US did not live up to their promise to protect Ukraine back then was bad enough, but they have a chance now to stand up to Putin, but the orange dough boy is not strong enough, nor are his weak acolytes.

 

JFK stood up to Russia and they backed down.......trump has not the spine to do so. 

 

 In January 1994, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine issued an historic Trilateral Statement that promised security assurances to Ukraine once the START I Treaty entered into force and Ukraine became a non-nuclear weapons state and a party to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. 

[xylophone]

14 minutes ago, TedG said:

I support the invasion of Canada. 

Sad man, so very sad.

[TedG]

14 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Whatever......the word of the US means nothing and trump and co are SOBs for abandoning Ukraine in their time of need.

That the US did not live up to their promise to protect Ukraine back then was bad enough, but they have a chance now to stand up to Putin, but the orange dough boy is not strong enough, nor are his weak acolytes.

 

JFK stood up to Russia and they backed down.......trump has not the spine to do so. 

 

 In January 1994, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine issued an historic Trilateral Statement that promised security assurances to Ukraine once the START I Treaty entered into force and Ukraine became a non-nuclear weapons state and a party to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. 

 

Does this mean that Biden and Obama where not trust worthy?

[Jingthing]

So what must Putin cede?

[SunnyinBangrak]

32 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Whatever......the word of the US means nothing and trump and co are SOBs for abandoning Ukraine in their time of need.

That the US did not live up to their promise to protect Ukraine back then was bad enough, but they have a chance now to stand up to Putin, but the orange dough boy is not strong enough, nor are his weak acolytes.

 

JFK stood up to Russia and they backed down.......trump has not the spine to do so. 

 

 In January 1994, the U.S., Russia and Ukraine issued an historic Trilateral Statement that promised security assurances to Ukraine once the START I Treaty entered into force and Ukraine became a non-nuclear weapons state and a party to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. 

I thought America regained the worlds trust when images of the Afghanis that helped the US were gripping on to that hulking airforce jet as it was taking off, getting splattered under the wheels and falling to a grisly death.

Who wouldnt trust America after seeing that. All Trumps fault, natch.

 

[TedG]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So what must Putin cede?

 

Putin should leave.  But, he knows the West won’t make him leave. 

[TedG]

7 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I thought America regained the worlds trust when images of the Afghanis that helped the US were gripping on to that hulking airforce jet as it was taking off, getting splattered under the wheels and falling to a grisly death.

Who wouldnt trust America after seeing that. All Trumps fault, natch.

 

 

Joe Biden’s finest hour.

[MicroB]

1 hour ago, TedG said:

 

Putin should leave.  But, he knows the West won’t make him leave. 

 

But the West can make sure he can't profit from it, and that the ruined occupied areas become a drag on the Russian state.

 

Mechanisms can be put in place to make it extemely unattractive for any company to invest in it The population of Luhansk-Donetsk has declined by about 5-10%  since Putin's war. Reportedly, he's been bussing in Russians, and selling them cut price new housing, and barring the people of Luhansk and Donetsk from buying property. This is obviously a hugely expensive operation to change the demographic facts on the ground.

 

https://cepa.org/article/behind-the-lines-ethnic-cleansing-by-home-loan/

 

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Andriushchenko says Moscow has been targeting loyal populations in Russia for several years, using the lure of work and cheap finance to bring them to Mariupol while local workers are laid off.  

“They are being offered well-paid jobs in construction, where work is still available,” he said. “Meanwhile, massive layoffs are happening in local administrations and municipal enterprises, like the city’s energy company. Entire communities are being replaced by Russians, who will work, live, and pay mortgages in Mariupol.” 

Ukrainians who chose to stay in occupied areas, and even signed up for Russian passports, are also being passed over. They had expected to receive compensation for their ruined homes and are appealing for help, saying the Kremlin has not lived up to its promises and has made them homeless in their hometowns. 

“Behind us, you can see a fence, and soon construction of a mortgage complex will begin here,” says a woman from Mariupol in a protest video posted on YouTube. “Not only the name of Azovstal Street has been changed, but also the numbers of our houses. This was done intentionally to deprive us of our rights to our property.”  

Another group on the video says new houses are being built where the old ones were destroyed, but for prices they can’t afford. “The cost of the housing is 4-5m rubles (approximately $40-50,000). This amount is huge not only for pensioners but also for working people,” says a woman from Mariupol.  

“As compensation for their destroyed homes, people are offered just over $20,000,” Ukrainian journalist and blogger Denis Kazansky explained. “With this money, you can’t buy any decent apartment, either in Ukraine or in Russia. Russia has simply taken Mariupol residents’ property, destroyed their apartments, and now offers them a pitiful handout.” 

Locals say Russians are hesitant to move to the occupied Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions because they fear liberation. Even so, property “nationalization” is happening there too.  

“The confiscation of property continues. Lists are posted with a 30-day deadline for re-registration, and those who don’t comply face ‘nationalization’ of their property into communal ownership,” said Yurii Sobolevskii, first deputy head of Ukraine’s Kherson Oblast Council. “Russian businesses are slowly entering and there are more Russian officials arriving. Some businesses are coming in because they’ve been instructed to, while others, often with links to Russian officials, are seeking profit.”

 

 

[MicroB]

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It's a fair point so why weren't the Russians pushed straight back into Russia at this time. Could've been just needed the support from the West. It didn't come. The West wanted the war to continue. 

 

The "West" whatever that is, didn't want a collapse of the Russian State, with 6500 weapons falling into the hands of fruitloops we know about like Kadyrov, and fruitloops we don't know about. But it was a natural reaction to the previous 2 decades, where the same Russophile mob  would have been whinging about "Neocons". The alternative was to have done nothing. I don't think that could have been an option. The result would have been Russia closer to the Nato "border", an enormous West European refugee crisis, and, given the tenacity of the Ukrainians (borne of their Grandads in WW2), Russia being involved in an increasingly brutal counter-insurgency. Clearly, Ukraine is a different kettle of fish compared to Georgia in 2008, which seemed so far away.

 

From 2008; captured USMC Humvee being carted off by Russia (never returned to the US)

 

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/26/georgian-region-shows-perils-of-ceding-land-to-moscow/

 

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As the West grows increasingly hesitant about how long it can support Ukraine’s defence, Georgia stands as an example of what happens when the world makes peace with the Russian occupation of its neighbours’ sovereign territory.

The menace of abduction is merely one way among many in which the shadow of the Russian bear has loomed over Georgia in the decade and a half since the 2008 war, which also saw separatists in the western province of Abkhazia seize control in alliance with the Russian army.

In Abkhazia, Russia is building a naval base for its Black Sea Fleet at Ochamchire, a deep-water port just 20 miles from Georgian-controlled land. Its primary purpose is to get the fleet out of the range of Ukrainian missiles and sea drones which have harassed it mercilessly in waters and ports closer to the frontline.

In South Ossetia, there is also a major Russian army base at Tshkinvali, the regional capital that is just 90 minutes’ drive from Tbilisi. Two miles to its south is the Georgian-held village of Ergneti, which was once an outlying settlement of Tskhinvali but is now separated from it by checkpoints and a border along the Liakvhi, a river that skirts its north-western edge.

Ergneti’s residents live in fear of another Russian invasion. The number of families in the village has fallen from 150 before the war to just 30 amid a dearth of job opportunities. When The Telegraph visited in early February, heavy snow had cut it off from electricity for three days.

Lavan and Maia Bidzinashvili, both 45, have sent their sons Luka, 21, and Dito, 17, to Gori, the largest nearby city, for a chance at building a better life. “It is a hard life here,” Mr Bidzinashvili explained. “We are very afraid of the Russians. We do have the police here but they do not have any power. They could invade at any moment.”

Gocha Mazmashvili, 57, is a former teacher who tends a small plot of land in the village, which is lined by apple, peach and pear orchards. Like the Bidzinashvilis, his daughter Gvanca, 26, has moved away. “My biggest fear is being abducted,” he said. “We don’t go down to the river anymore because if we do then the Russians will be there in five minutes.”

 

 

[nauseus]

18 hours ago, billd766 said:

WTF has it got to do with the USA.

 

The Ukraine is NOT a US territory, and the USA is no longer trusted in the real world.

 

IMHO the USA is, or was, simply a supplier.

 

They have NO right or authority to speak on behalf of the Ukraine. legally and certainly not morally.

 

Ukraine says it is ready to accept 30-day ceasefire, as US says 'ball now in Russia's court'

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c51ypekv9xwt

[TedG]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Ukraine says it is ready to accept 30-day ceasefire, as US says 'ball now in Russia's court'

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c51ypekv9xwt

What does this accomplish other than letting Russian get ready for the next assault? 

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, TedG said:

What does this accomplish other than letting Russian get ready for the next assault? 

 

Ted, I think you're a miserable so and so.

[TedG]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Ted, I think you're a miserable so and so.

Why do you say that?  

[steven100]

8 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Because the Ukrainians, much like their armchair supporters, are losers, it is just common sense. Ukraine is being decimated on the battlefield as we speak. Since their economy is a fraction of the size of Russia it is plain to see that in a long conflict Russia will prevail. Ukraine has to give up territory. No other sensible alternative.

nonsense ...   

[kwonitoy]

5 hours ago, TedG said:

I support the invasion of Canada. 

I agree with a lot of your posts on ukraine Ted

But to this one I give you a big F.U. come and try it on.

[TedG]

42 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

I agree with a lot of your posts on ukraine Ted

But to this one I give you a big F.U. come and try it on.

I want to be the tip of the spear when Trump invades Canada. 

[CANSIAM]

1 minute ago, TedG said:

I want to be the tip of the spear when Trump invades Canada. 

Bring it on TeddyG, when it dips below -15c, You, Delta Forces, Rangers, Green Berets, Seals, 82nd Airborne trigger men will be curled up calling their Moms......     

[kwonitoy]

18 minutes ago, TedG said:

I want to be the tip of the spear when Trump invades Canada. 

You bring a spear

I'll use my .300 win mag

[TedG]

4 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

You bring a spear

I'll use my .300 win mag

I'll bring my friend's tank.  

[billd766]

10 hours ago, TedG said:

I support the invasion of Canada. 

You would.

[sandyf]

On 3/11/2025 at 6:46 AM, hotsun said:

A world without war, i thought thats what the majority of folks wanted. Turns out not, as long as the keyboard warriors here arent the ones fighting

Indeed.  In which civilised society do people stand around and watch 2 opponents beat each other to death?

About 80 years since the last major global conflict, lessons may have been learned by some but ignored by those in a position to bully their own agenda.