British Man Dies After Footpath Altercation in Bangkok

[MalcolmB]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

So it was Murder in that case...

No

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The manner in which he attempts to take the motorcycle (in the CCVT footage) certainly seems to indicate either

a) Extreme fear for his life

b) Drug fuelled delusion

c) Combination of both

 

Or as you said - was he being so abusive in front of the 91 Karaoke place, that the guys, took his bike and rode it up the street to get him away from the area... then they decided to 'fill him in a little'... 

 

 

Yeah , good points.

I re-read the initial story and it does not make sense at all.

It claims they followed him out of "concern or curiosity". This is highly implausible.

You might be right in that there may have been other people involved who were a threat to his safety.

Fact is, we don't know and we never will.

 

 

[ukrules]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

 

So it was Murder in that case....    though the CCTV footage shows this was not an outright violent attack, rather is clear they tried to subdue and control him....  

 

If they hadn't have killed him they there would be no murder investigation.

If I see some crazy running around like a mad man I tend to just ignore them. If they bother me and I manage to get rid of them then that's great.

What I don't do is give chase and then 'subdue' them to death for some reason.

I don't care what the guys issue is, once he's gone, problem solved.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

No, they wouldn’t let him in because he was acting like a dickhead.

yeah, that part doesn't make sense.

if they wouldnt let him in the club, why would they chase him? 

it's either an unpaid bill or something else he did. and we'll never know. 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, ukrules said:

If they hadn't have killed him they there would be no murder investigation.

If I see some crazy running around like a mad man I tend to just ignore them. If they bother me and I manage to get rid of them then that's great.

What I don't do is give chase and then 'subdue' them to death for some reason.

I don't care what the guys issue is, once he's gone, problem solved.

 

Exactly - this is what makes the story so odd.... 

 

IF the story that he was 'drugged up and having a psychotic episode'....   and was refused entry to the club...   the bouncers don't care, they just want him out of the way....     as mentioned [by save the frogs], its highly implausible the bouncers followed him out of any concern for his well being.... 

 

 

There is CCTV everywhere these days - even in area's outside of the town centre - I find it hard to believe that this is the only footage.

I'm sure there would have been CCTV footage out the front of the Karaoke91 club too - its highlight strange that this is not available ?... 

... perhaps the Police already have it, its certainly no right for it to be in the public domain, but then why release any footage at all ?....

 

... is something being covered up that occurred out the front of the Karaoke 91 club ?

 

If the story were true, would there not also be footage of the Brit running up to the club as well ?

All CCTV footage in the area suffering 'brake failure' ??? 

 

The issue here of course - is if something happens, how is anyone expecting to get at the truth ?

 

 

Of course - this is a perfect reason to behave well, don't drink so much and lose control, avoid certain situations wherever possible... and IF in a situation, smile, speak Thai, be polite.....  but ultimately in such a situation you are outnumbered - notch it down to experience and move on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

16 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

No, they wouldn’t let him in because he was acting like a dickhead.

yeah, that part doesn't make sense.

if they wouldnt let him in the club, why would they chase him? 

it's either an unpaid bill or something else he did. and we'll never know. 

 

But that wasn't reported in any of the media...  it also doesn't fit with halfwits delusion that the 'Thai's never wrong / foreigners always wrong'....   So he'll only accept the what was in Khaosod or any other Thai media source and then reprinted....   even it if is the 'witness statements' of those directly involved in murder trying to cover their tracks..... 

 

 

 

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

The issue here of course - is if something happens, how is anyone expecting to get at the truth ?

 

 

Of course - this is a perfect reason to behave well, don't drink so much and lose control, avoid certain situations wherever possible...

 

You raised some good points, but I'm out of this conversation now.

We are not expected to get at the truth. Any shocking story will get clicks and it helps pay the bills for media outlets.

What I get from all these stories is it's very dangerous to get sh*t-faced here. It can make you act aggressive and get yourself killed real quick. 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

15 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

What I get from all these stories is it's very dangerous to get sh*t-faced here. It can make you act aggressive and get yourself killed real quick. 

 

 

Agreed, It can make some aggressive and thats definitely not the way to behave here at all, especially in some areas as Thai's can have a hair-trigger when it comes to dealing with such situations.... especially as foreigners are prone to swearing (as are Thai's) but those are often the ones who find themselves in trouble quickly and make the news.... 

 

If someone is the type to drink a lot and get aggressive and mouth off, or even act out - they its likely that at some point trouble will find their way. 

Happily, I'm not one of those and remain quite chilled even to the heavily inebriated phase....   none of my close friends are like that either...  

 

Consumption of drugs is a different matter of course, as is drink driving and acting like we own the place etc...  

 

 

 

 

[wadman]

3 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

So the difference in a manslaughter and murder charge often comes down to one simple question.

Did they 'go after' the deceased or did an incident break out in which they had to act in self defence.

Here they gave chase and in many countries that single difference is what changes any potential charge regardless of the reasons given from one of involuntary manslaughter / manslaughter to murder.

It's a very small difference but it's why people sit in prisons for life compared to say 5 or 10 years if it was a one punch knockout in response to a single incident.

Never chase someone down and attack them - because that's murder if they die, even if you didn't intend it - chasing after them is intent to attack.

Simplified but explains how some people can end up on a murder charge even if it started out as an act of self defence.

 

From the video, the 2 Thai guys were just standing in front of their bike, they were not advancing towards the Brit at all. I don't see how they were "chasing" the Brit, if they weren't even moving at all. We can't even see the Brit on camera at the beginning, he was that far away.

 

And then we see the Brit charging (literally charging, at a run) the 2 Thai guys, he pushes 1 Thai guy forcefully, mounted the bike, and tried to make off with it. That's when the physical stuff started.

 

IMO it's clear that it was the Brit who initiated the fight.

 

[ukrules]

2 minutes ago, wadman said:

 

From the video, the 2 Thai guys were just standing in front of their bike, they were not advancing towards the Brit at all. I don't see how they were "chasing" the Brit, if they weren't even moving at all. We can't even see the Brit on camera at the beginning, he was that far away.

 

And then we see the Brit charging (literally charging, at a run) the 2 Thai guys, he pushes 1 Thai guy forcefully, mounted the bike, and tried to make off with it. That's when the physical stuff started.

 

IMO it's clear that it was the Brit who initiated the fight.

 

 

I saw only one video but it was heavily edited.

Did you see the full version?

[wadman]

14 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

I saw only one video but it was heavily edited.

Did you see the full version?

 

There is another video on YouTube. In that video, the Brit is running on the sidewalk, the 2 Thai guys on their scooter catch up to the Brit, and pass him.

 

The scooter then stops a few meters in front of the Brit. Initially, the Thai guys never got off their scooter, they were still sitting on it. At this point, the Thais had their backs to the Brit (although their heads were turned around obviously). The Brit walks towards the Thais on their scooter.

 

The Brit then attempts to sit on the back on the scooter (as if he was getting a ride from the Thai guys). At this point, the Thai guys got off the scooter (in a non aggressive manner).

 

There appears to some video missing, because next we see the Thai guys standing in front of their scooter, and the Brit charging them at full speed. He must have started his run from about 10 meters back. And that's when the physical altercation happens. 

 

As has already been pointed out, the whole series of events is rather puzzling. Why would the Thai guys chase the Brit, if he never even made it into their bar, and was leaving already.  

 

It doesn't seem like it started off as a confrontational situation.  The Thai guys testified to police that they ask the Brit how they could help him. Yes, I know... it's not like they wouldn't lie, but there does seem to be some truth to it, although it may not be the whole truth.

 

Is it possibly that the Brit was running because he wanted to get to some other destination? And then he tried to hitch a ride on the back of the scooter, thinking the Thai guys would give him a ride? And when that fell through, he tried to make off with the scooter to get to his destination.

[wadman]

1 hour ago, ukrules said:

 

I saw only one video but it was heavily edited.

Did you see the full version?

 

Most complete video I have seen is this one, if only the Thai presenter would stop yapping so we can hear the audio of the CCTV video better.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E72S9DR_Vgw

[MalcolmB]

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

But that wasn't reported in any of the media..

So you even read the OPs before making up your own versions of what you imagined happened????

 

On 3/25/2025 at 10:15 AM, webfact said:

This unsettling episode began when the foreigner was seen exhibiting erratic behaviour, sprinting from Kiak Kai Intersection towards a local karaoke venue.

 

Witnesses account that his attempt to storm the bar was thwarted by two alert workers due to his suspicious demeanour

 

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

Anyone who watches that 2nd video above can be in no doubt the Brit was off his nut on something. 

He's running down the street screaming "hurry up you f ing c's" and then catches up with them and tries to get on the back of their bike!

Then walks away to get a run up, and charges at them!

We know he's from a decent background, and he's probably never had a fight in his life.  Whatever he had taken must've flicked a switch. Looks like a Yaba episode to me. 

 

I don't think the Thais intentionally killed him.

 

Such a sad end to what was probably a pretty ordinary and sensible life. 

[black tabby12345]

On 3/26/2025 at 4:20 PM, Tropicalevo said:

According to Khaosod today, the police have arrested the two bouncers for killing him.

They held him in a choke hold and he died.

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2025/03/26/two-thai-men-charged-with-assaulting-british-man-to-death/

 

Hi, thank you for the follow up report.

So he was killed by men, not by the drug overdose?

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

I saw only one video but it was heavily edited.

Did you see the full version?

Watch the second video above I posted.

Brit clearly was the attacker.

 

The Thais were not even throwing punches back or kicking him, just struggling  to hold him down. Meth gives people elevated strength, causes a lot of headaches for medical professionals who have to deal with them.

 

The Brit was an animal despite all the fabrications and excuses from @richard_smith237

[chrissables]

On 3/25/2025 at 1:53 PM, shackleton said:

I recall a few years back people saying the British Embassy staff were not doing much to help people out with getting help 

Just recently the British Embassy staff are certainly earning their money 

With the number of Brits involved in Drugs fighting  overstay going broke hospital bills  ect 

Plus being jailed 

Will still have some people saying they are useless

 

They are, it takes them 6 weeks after arrest to go to the prison to start dealing with whatever the problem is. 

A friend of mine was twice held, i was his only contact and on both occasions the embassy took 6 weeks to contact him and then me.

[radiochaser]

On 3/25/2025 at 12:48 AM, Woke to Sounds said:

This was positively methamphetamine abuse, or kratom, or maybe Red Bell w/ ciggies and laced pot.

 

No one -- and I mean NO ONE - just drops dead at 28.

 

He wouldn't even acknowledge the translation app on the mobile handed to him, clear signs of a drug induced stupor.

 

RIP young man.

I used to know a guy after he quit using drugs and got a job as a custodian at one of the local police stations.   A year after I moved to another city for work, I was told he was found dead at work.  An autopsy determined his heart had failed him.  They suspect it was due to his past use of drugs.   He was 30 years old.  

[Harsh Jones]

On 3/24/2025 at 9:21 PM, hotsun said:

Guy just dropped dead. Now ive heard everything

He must have smoked a marijuana cigarette  

[newbee2022]

On 3/25/2025 at 10:15 AM, webfact said:

Picture via Amarin TV

 

Tragedy struck a Bangkok street on Sunday night when a British man, later identified as a 28-year-old, suddenly died after a tumultuous encounter with local karaoke bar workers. The incident unfolded near Soi Pracharat Sai 1, Section 7/1, in the bustling Bang Sue district, drawing considerable attention from officials and passers-by.

 

The Briton was discovered lying face-up on the pavement, with visible bleeding from his nose. Officers responding from the Bang Pho Police Station were unable to identify him initially due to the absence of personal identification, but details emerged through Thai media scrutiny.

 

This unsettling episode began when the foreigner was seen exhibiting erratic behaviour, sprinting from Kiak Kai Intersection towards a local karaoke venue.

 

Witnesses account that his attempt to storm the bar was thwarted by two alert workers due to his suspicious demeanour. As the man’s eccentric actions persisted, the workers mounted their motorcycle to assist him, stemming perhaps from concern or mere curiosity.

 

 

 

 

However, when they reached him, their efforts to communicate floundered, culminating in an unintended scuffle. The workers attempted to facilitate conversation by handing over a mobile phone loaded with a translation app, but the man’s agitation seemed to intensify.

 

In an unexpected twist, he seized the phone and tried to abscond. The workers managed to retrieve their phone, but the foreigner was not deterred and turned his attention to their motorcycle parked nearby, trying to make off with it despite lacking the key.

 

Picture via Amarin TV

 

A brief physical altercation followed as the workers attempted to deter him, which unexpectedly led to his sudden collapse and subsequent death. Witnesses nearby, including another karaoke worker, speculated on drugs or sheer exhaustion from his frantic activities as possible culprits in his unforeseen demise.

 

Despite the shocking nature of the incident, the karaoke workers assert their tussle with the man wasn't severe enough to be lethal.

 

Both remain in police custody for investigative questioning, while the foreigner’s body has been sent for an autopsy to clarify the exact cause of death. As the authorities await these autopsy results, the workers face a period of uncertainty, pending any formal charges.

 

While this incident leaves questions unanswered, it underscores complexities faced by foreign nationals in unfamiliar territories and the challenges local authorities encounter in such perplexing situations, reported The Thaiger.

 

 

-- 2025-03-25

 

 

A tragic outcome of learning his lessons for this Brit.

Born again Thailand should not his preferred destination.

[Drumbuie]

On 3/25/2025 at 11:48 AM, Woke to Sounds said:

This was positively methamphetamine abuse, or kratom, or maybe Red Bell w/ ciggies and laced pot.

 

No one -- and I mean NO ONE - just drops dead at 28.

 

He wouldn't even acknowledge the translation app on the mobile handed to him, clear signs of a drug induced stupor.

 

RIP young man.

Actually, young people *do* sometimes drop dead. A friend's 18yo son collapsed and died during a school sports day race, due to an undetected heart abnormality - she and her husband were watching. 

In this case, the erratic behaviour would tend to indicate drug use, and the nose bleed could relate to a head injury when he fell on the pavement, or to overenthusiastic restraint. 

Whatever the cause, it's a sad waste of a life.  

[BangkokReady]

It seems entirely possible that the bouncers were trying to help the guy.  The CCTV does seem to confirm this.  The Brit seems to be having some sort of metal episode and the bouncers don't seem to be overly heavy handed.  They could easily have pummelled the guy but appear to be trying to restrain him.

 

It is, of course, possible that the bouncers could have caused his death whilst trying to restrain him.  That is quite common with police.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_asphyxia

 

It's unfortunate that this is being reported as: https://thethaiger.com/news/bangkok/british-tourist-beaten-to-death-by-bar-workers-in-bangkok-identified

[Blueman1]

On 3/25/2025 at 10:21 AM, hotsun said:

Guy just dropped dead. Now ive heard everything

It DOES Happen I Beleive !!

[madone]

On 3/27/2025 at 3:25 PM, richard_smith237 said:

notch it down

chalk it up?

[kiwikeith]

On 3/25/2025 at 4:47 PM, ikke1959 said:

If I watch the video, he surely not dropped dead suddenly.. 2 against 1 and if you see how they hold the guy. He looks to be strangled The fat one sitting on him, and the other one holding him down( arm around the neck??? Anyway... again an example that Thailand is not safe anymore, as they many years ago wrote in the travelguides.. There are many murders and criminal activities in Thailand, but they don't attack foreigners, so it is safe to travel.. Nowadays it is clearly different

I've had money snatched by motorbike taxis, been punched in the face once when a street vendor would not give back change, I grabbed my change and walked away with the Gf as about five more were waiting for me to retaliate, that was years ago but getting worse by the day now 

[trainman34014]

On 3/25/2025 at 10:21 AM, hotsun said:

Guy just dropped dead. Now ive heard everything

Not as unusual as you think; i had a 34 year old Neighbour collapsed and died outside the front of his house in England back in the 70's.   Massive Coronary Heart Attack after playing Squash, which he played regularly and 'appeared' to be as fit as any other person.

[Dont confuse me]

Love the use of the word, 'deter'