5 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

You must be a whiz at reading Thai ?

 

 

 Screen capture then google translate, works well

50 minutes ago, Freddy42OZ said:

 

 

Just don't marry women from the peasant class. 

 

 

Would be nice if it was that easy. However, integrity is not determined by class. Nor is intelligence. Or honesty.

 

Indeed, you may find that it is the best looking and most well off girls that have the least integrity.

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The urge to SIMP is strong in this one!

 

Not as strong as in you. Aren't you paying her 8000 every month AND bringing up her kids from another man?

 

I sent the virgin away after 2 months. And she had no kids.

My wife gets the level of respect she deserves, as long as she's in the kitchen..

 

The Don.

2 hours ago, AustinRacing said:

You think too much buddy. Life’s too short for a comprehensive vetting process which may fail anyways. Do what DJT does. Grab them by the PU…. and see where it leads. That’s your first step in vetting. If she laughs and pushes your hand further in, she’d be a great short timer. The other extreme would be she’d kick you in the nuts Muay Thai style in which case you just run. And there’d be a host of reaction in between in which you gotta figure out if that’s good or not. 

 

If she is worth grabbing, IF, then you are not the only one who's had that idea. Effectively you poached her from some other guy. This means she is poachable. And she will remain so until she hits menopause.

 

So since she is poachable and the sea of thirsty males is an ocean filled with people, well, like you, if you don't vet her character it's not going to end well buddy.

23 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Indeed, many of the character traits you vet are the same as in the West. However, sadly 80% of vetting is not done if you avoid a girl with tattoos (though you should), avoid a hooker (though you should), a 20 year old (you should not avoid her) or a high school dropout (could go either way).

 

Nevertheless, in Thailand there are particular issues. One key difference is family. Here in Thailand you want to make sure you vet the family to a much greater degree than you would in the west. Because if you have a long term rel with her, you also have it with her family.

 

So, are both parents still alive? What is the nature of the relationship with both parents. How many siblings? What is the financial situation of the mother or the father, the health situation? Do they have significant debt?

 

Vetting needs to be in depth in relation to the Thai family as well.

I totally agree. I have a set of ground rules for choosing a life partner, by the second date I want to know about her relationship with her folks, and I will avoid getting seriously involved with somebody who does not have a healthy relationship with their family, and does not have a family which I really like and respect. This is where she came from, this is what she's made of, and if you don't like her family, for me that's a real warning sign. Same applies to your friends. If your friends don't like her, that's another warning sign, listen to it. Family is a really big deal here, and choosing a woman without getting to know her family first, or moving ahead, even though you do not like or trust her people is a big, big mistake. In this life they are various classes of mistakes, for instance wearing white to a formal event in New York City after Labor Day is considered a small mistake. A big mistake was Hitler deciding to invade Russia with the approach of winter. So is ignoring her family, or charging ahead without determining that you really like them.

I love the occasional visits from her family, I adore her mom and dad, and am quite close to both her sister and her brother. They're all remarkable, hard-working, honest, kind, and really fun people to be around. And her folks did an amazing job of raising her and helping to create a remarkable woman. The finest I have ever known. Maybe I was very fortunate but I was also very picky, and I took a very very long time to get to know her and her family. It paid off. 

Even if you don't have awesome friends like Kinnock above who will go above and beyond to loyalty test your gf, including by using a honey trap, you can still do so.

 

There are services online who specialize in doing the honey trap, they will have high value males, who work as airline pilots and the like, have 29000 followers on Insta, have money and are not unattractive.  They will dm your girl and test her loyalty for you.

 

https://www.loyalty-test.com/l/thecaptain/64c17a2d-0805-481e-9fc3-b685c36b8757

 

Obviously this costs money, but if it is too expensive, there are also guys on fiverrr who will do it for 10 dollars.

 

If you do this, you can of course never tell her you did it.

14 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

A virgin is a true gift. If a virgin loves you. She will really love you. Because she has no other point of reference. If you are lucky enough to have a rel with a virgin it is the best chance to have a 20 year rel with a woman who is devoted to you. Failing that a 19 year old who had one, two or very few boyfriends. The earlier you get her, the better it is, and the greater the chance she will be loyal if she has good character, and if you have the resources consistently to keep her satisfied.

 

 

I do tend to disagree. I love experience. Virgins are usually very timid and shy in bed. I have no issues with a good woman who has been with many guys. Most guys tend to be a bit prudish about that kind of thing. Of course the numbers do count for something, beyond a point. There is a limit. LOL. Where is that limit? I have some opinions about the subject. Surprise, surprise!

 

So, how many? Many of us think there is a sort of sliding scale of damage. In my opinion, up to 150 men (some experience), no big deal. Most men like to argue that their gal has only been with a few guys. Yeah, right. Most American women have likely been with 20-200 guys. Despite the answers they give to those taking surveys!

150-500 men (BAB - been around the block), she is experienced, but will likely be fine, if she has a good heart, and a strong mind.
500-1000 men (AVEG - a very experienced gal) is approaching the point where there very well might be some long term psychological damage.
1000-2000 men (ASP - a serious pro), and there is likely to be long term bitterness towards men.
2000 men (ATW - around the world) and over, and there is little chance of being able to engage emotionally in a healthy manner, ever again. And there could be physical issues too. There are likely exceptions. But not many.

It is my contention that it depends on a few factors. The first and most important factor is how many? How many men has she been with? If she is relatively new, and has only gotten with between 20-200 men, more than likely she is still sane, and could possess a good heart. If she has gotten with over 200, the chances decrease. If over 500, harder for her to relate to men as decent human beings. Once you get to the "around the world level", where she has been with over 1,000 men, all bets are off. The heart hardens, and more than likely she is bitter for life. I am sure there are exceptions. But, the risk in getting involved with a highly experienced bar girl, or massage girl, is great.

How does one know? Without hiring a private detective, you likely never will, and the one who claims one month of working in the bar, could have worked in four other bars, and a short time massage shop, for years, prior to you meeting her. So, are you looking at BAB, AVEG, or ASP?

8 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I totally agree. I have a set of ground rules for choosing a life partner, by the second date I want to know about her relationship with her folks, and I will avoid getting seriously involved with somebody who does not have a healthy relationship with their family, and does not have a family which I really like and respect. This is where she came from, this is what she's made of, and if you don't like her family, for me that's a real warning sign.

 

This is the sad but inescapable reality, if you do not like her family, if they do not like you, that would be a real problem.

 

I had this beautiful girl, but her mother was a beer drinking promiscuous  woman who was always demanding money of her daughter and emotionally manipulating her. She had a nasty aggressive and unpleasant character as well, I met her a few times.

 

The girl's sister was not much better. Unhappily married and telling her sister that cheating was okay, I read her texts. She mostly asked her sister for money non-stop. When my girl cheated she sent a video of the ugly guy and her embracing and kissing to her sister, presumably to have a good laugh and show off.  A real lovely family.

 

In short, family does matter. On so many levels. If you don't like the family, the odds are she will do something you don't like as well.

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I do tend to disagree. I love experience. Virgins are usually very timid and shy in bed. I have no issues with a good woman who has been with many guys. Most guys tend to be a bit prudish about that kind of thing. Of course the numbers to count. There is a limit. LOL.

 

So, how many? Many of us think there is a sort of sliding scale of damage.

In my opinion, up to 150 men (beginner), no big deal.

150-500 men (BAB - been around the block), she is experienced, but will likely be fine, if she has a good heart, and a strong mind.
500-1000 men (AVEG - a very experienced gal) is approaching the point where there very well might be some long term psychological damage.
1000-2000 men (ASP - a serious pro), and there is likely to be long term bitterness towards men.
2000 men (ATW - around the world) and over, and there is little chance of being able to engage emotionally in a healthy manner, ever again. And there could be physical issues too. There are likely exceptions. But not many.

It is my contention that it depends on a few factors. The first and most important factor is how many? How many men has she been with? If she is relatively new, and has only gotten with between 20-200 men, more than likely she is still sane, and could possess a good heart. If she has gotten with over 200, the chances decrease. If over 500, harder for her to relate to men as decent human beings. Once you get to the "around the world level", where she has been with over 1,000 men, all bets are off. The heart hardens, and more than likely she is bitter for life. I am sure there are exceptions. But, the risk in getting involved with a highly experienced bar girl, or massage girl, is great.

How does one know? Without hiring a private detective, you likely never will, and the one who claims one month of working in the bar, could have worked in four other bars, and a short time massage shop, for years, prior to you meeting her. So, are you looking at BAB, AVEG, or ASP?

 

It is of course true that virgins have little experience and you have to teach them, and yes experienced women can be great at sex. However, that is not a key requirement for a long term relationship, because the virgin will learn after all.

 

The problem with the highly experienced woman is that 1) she will come with a truck load of emotional baggage, exes and other issues 2) the disgust factor.

 

I could not be with a woman long term if I knew she'd had 150 guys plus. The disgust would be too strong. They say you have sex with all a woman's previous partners, and that's true, it's not just about STDs but a woman who got cummed on and in that much, there are traces. It's a question of disgust.

 

Six guys, okay, no problem, but more than 9 and the disgust factor would take over, I would be out.

 

With a virgin you do not have that problem, and her lack of baggage and reference guys means the odds of her remaining loyal to you are significantly higher. 

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

It is of course true that virgins have little experience and you have to teach them, and yes experienced women can be great at sex. However, that is not a key requirement for a long term relationship, because the virgin will learn after all.

 

The problem with the highly experienced woman is that 1) she will come with a truck load of emotional baggage, exes and other issues 2) the disgust factor.

 

I could not be with a woman long term if I knew she'd had 150 guys plus. The disgust would be too strong. They say you have sex with all a woman's previous partners, and that's true, it's not just about STDs but a woman who got cummed on and in that much, there are traces. It's a question of disgust.

 

Six guys, okay, no problem, but more than 9 and the disgust factor would take over, I would be out.

 

With a virgin you do not have that problem, and her lack of baggage and reference guys means the odds of her remaining loyal to you are significantly higher. 

Not the case for me. I cannot even begin to count the number I have been with, and I tend to apply a rather liberal mindset to a woman, as well. There is nothing even bordering on disgust. Respect maybe. LOL. At least that applies to under 150 men. A woman can remain very healthy emotionally with that level of experience. You would be astonished if you truly knew the number of men hundreds of millions of woman have been with. No big deal.

On 4/1/2025 at 10:33 AM, Cameroni said:

How do you vet for character in a Thai woman?

Have you considered taking the time to get to know someone? Do you not have the ability to make judgments as to character? 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

If she is worth grabbing, IF, then you are not the only one who's had that idea. Effectively you poached her from some other guy. This means she is poachable. And she will remain so until she hits menopause.

 

So since she is poachable and the sea of thirsty males is an ocean filled with people, well, like you, if you don't vet her character it's not going to end well buddy.

Quite a load of paranoid crap... do you live like that? "A poachable wife? A sea of thirsty males?" Is that your view of women/relationships? That must not be a pleasant world to live in... 

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Not the case for me. I cannot even begin to count the number I have been with, and I tend to apply a rather liberal mindset to a woman, as well. There is nothing even bordering on disgust. Respect maybe. LOL. At least that applies to under 150 men. A woman can remain very healthy emotionally with that level of experience. You would be astonished if you truly knew the number of men hundreds of millions of woman have been with. No big deal.

 

Fair play, each to his own. I would expect guys to sleep with over 150 women, but it is just not the same with women. Every conqueror, king and sultan has had hundreds or thousands of women, but noone ever celebrated a woman who has slept with 150 guys plus. In almost all cultures that's viewed as disgusting, and I think there is a reason for that. 

 

It's very easy for a woman to do that, I would not see any respect coming up for a woman who slept with 150 men, because unlike for men, it's actually harder for a woman NOT to sleep with guys, because they are inundated with offers. Nah, a woman who has slept with so many guys, she would have been cummed on and in too much for me. It's not for me. But again, no judgement if you like it, the better.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

play, each to his own. I would expect guys to sleep with over 150 women, but it is just not the same with women. Every conqueror, king and sultan has had hundreds or thousands of women, but noone ever celebrated a woman who has slept with 150 guys plus. In almost all cultures that's viewed as disgusting, and I think there is a reason for that. 

Most western men average 3-5 sexual partners in their lifetime.

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It is of course true that virgins have little experience and you have to teach them, and yes experienced women can be great at sex. However, that is not a key requirement for a long term relationship, because the virgin will learn after all.

 

The problem with the highly experienced woman is that 1) she will come with a truck load of emotional baggage, exes and other issues 2) the disgust factor.

 

I could not be with a woman long term if I knew she'd had 150 guys plus. The disgust would be too strong. They say you have sex with all a woman's previous partners, and that's true, it's not just about STDs but a woman who got cummed on and in that much, there are traces. It's a question of disgust.

 

Six guys, okay, no problem, but more than 9 and the disgust factor would take over, I would be out.

 

With a virgin you do not have that problem, and her lack of baggage and reference guys means the odds of her remaining loyal to you are significantly higher. 

So 145 is ok? I would not go beyond 5

Just now, BritManToo said:

Most western men average 3-5 sexual partners in their lifetime.

Really? Ive done 5 in a week

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Really? Ive done 5 in a week

But you aren't in the west!

 

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

But you aren't in the west!

 

I know a guy in his 40s. Hasnt had a woman in 20 years 

 

Just wanks i think

14 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

So 145 is ok? I would not go beyond 5

 

Hey, I'm not going to tell people what they like, if they like women who've banged 150 dudes plus, it's their life. Go for it.

 

For me, if it's 6, I don't like it, but I can accept it, even up to 9. More than that and my disgust factor kicks in and I'd be out.

 

 

Much the same process as assessing a future partner in any country. In my own case a disastrous first marriage when very young to a girl from Scotland, divorced after 23 years. Second marriage to a Thai lady in 1990, having first met her in 1984. We lived together, in both Thailand and Taiwan, for 6 years before marrying. Those 6 years gave us time to learn if we were really suited to each other. Still happily married together, my wife is now 70 and I am 83. Best advice I can give is take plenty of time before commitment.

Much the same process as assessing a future partner in any country. In my own case a disastrous first marriage when very young to a girl from Scotland, divorced after 23 years. Second marriage to a Thai lady in 1990, having first met her in 1984. We lived together, in both Thailand and Taiwan, for 6 years before marrying. Those 6 years gave us time to learn if we were really suited to each other. Still happily married together, my wife is now 70 and I am 83. Best advice I can give is take plenty of time before commitment.

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

One of the sure fire ways to test a girl is to ask to see her phone. If she immediately gives you her phone, it's a good sign, but you should still review it carefully (she may be bluffing, I actually found something in this scenario once).

 

If she disappears to the toilet or quickly has to delete a "game" before she gives you the phone, you should break up with her immediately.

 

The girl knows if she refuses to show you her phone it will make her look as if she is hiding something, and most girls will show it.

 

Any girl who refuses to show her phone, I would not even be interested in seeing her again. Immediate break up.

We have the passwords for each other's phones .... me to sort out her phone settings and her to delete the nude pictures I take of her.  No secrets in our relationship.

4 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Much the same process as assessing a future partner in any country. In my own case a disastrous first marriage when very young to a girl from Scotland, divorced after 23 years. Second marriage to a Thai lady in 1990, having first met her in 1984. We lived together, in both Thailand and Taiwan, for 6 years before marrying. Those 6 years gave us time to learn if we were really suited to each other. Still happily married together, my wife is now 70 and I am 83. Best advice I can give is take plenty of time before commitment.

 

This is the smart thing to do, 6 years of vetting her before you marry. 

 

This is the way to go. It greatly increases the chances of having a partner with integrity and loyalty. 

 

Great job.

Just now, Kinnock said:

We have the passwords for each other's phones .... me to sort out her phone settings and her to delete the nude pictures I take of her.  No secrets in our relationship.

 

Of course not. This is what you want. A girl who loves you and has nothing to hide, would have no problem to show her phone.

 

Any girl who refuses to show her phone is not long term worthy.

1 hour ago, 1FinickyOne said:

Quite a load of paranoid crap... do you live like that? "A poachable wife? A sea of thirsty males?" Is that your view of women/relationships? That must not be a pleasant world to live in... 

 

You're not paranoid if they're really after you. Or, rather, your girl. 

 

And they are. If you have a good looking young girl.

 

There is a sea of thirsty males constantly direct messaging girls on Insta, Tik Tok, Facebook etc. In a way social media has exacerbated this problem to a massive degree. Whereas before good looking girls were limited in their dating pool to their local environment, school, work place, neighbourhood, now these females can date nationally, even globally.

 

This has created a problem, when a girl is extremely good looking, she will always look at you and think "Is he really my best option? Can I do better? Is the grass greener somewhere else". Fear of missing out becomes an issue. Particularly for girls 18 to 27.

 

Whilst you have committed to her, and ended all your pursuit of other females, she is still posting seductive videos on Tik Tok, Insta or Facebook, dancing, licking her lips. And she is still getting direct messages from a lot of other guys. 

 

So it becomes quite important to know her character. Does she do what she says? If she commits will she stay with you and work it out? Or run to date other "options" as soon as you two have a disagreement.

 

No, it's not a pleasant world to live in. You're right. But it is the real world  Bird ostrich, head in the sand, is not a solution to the new challenges social media has brought.

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

she is still posting seductive videos on Tik Tok, Insta or Facebook, dancing, licking her lips.

that's one step away from OnlyFans ... 

 

I probably wouldn't date a girl doing that. 

 

But then again, if you're obsessed with dating a 20 year old, you will need to deal with the immaturity and fickleness that goes along with it. 

40 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

she is still posting seductive videos on Tik Tok, Insta or Facebook, dancing, licking her lips. And she is still getting direct messages from a lot of other guys. 

 

So it becomes quite important to know her character.

If she is doing that, why can't you see her character? Not all ladies do that - do you only choose women who have these characteristics? If that is all you look at and choose to date, then you will live in a distasteful world - Maybe you need someone a little more mature? 

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

Much the same process as assessing a future partner in any country. In my own case a disastrous first marriage when very young to a girl from Scotland, divorced after 23 years. Second marriage to a Thai lady in 1990, having first met her in 1984. We lived together, in both Thailand and Taiwan, for 6 years before marrying. Those 6 years gave us time to learn if we were really suited to each other. Still happily married together, my wife is now 70 and I am 83. Best advice I can give is take plenty of time before commitment.

Absolutely correct. 

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

But you aren't in the west!

 

Did you miss the 60s in the West? Summer of love? All like that - -